June 19, 2013

Shaun Rogers…man or myth?

rogers2.jpgThough the stories about Shaun Rogers haven’t quite reached this level, there are certainly many opinions about one of the recent Cleveland additions. As detailed earlier, ESPN’s Chris Mortensen certainly favors the trade, believing Rogers is a step in the right direction for the Browns. Colin Cowherd on the other hand, disagreed this morning, saying Rogers was fat, unmotivated and a chemistry cancer. He disagreed with Mort on pretty much every point, adding that the Browns were a bunch of ‘me’ players. I’ll not even dignify that remark.

Jamie Samuelsen of the Detroit Free Press would put himself in the Cowherd group-

One of my favorite quotes in sports history comes from that legendary brain of baseball Lenny Dykstra. When he found out that his teammate, Von Hayes, a guy he wasn’t all that fond of, had been traded, he said, “Great trade. Who’d we get?”

That sums up the Rogers deal for me. Good riddance. You know how when some players leave Detroit, you have that nagging fear in the back of your mind that he’ll turn out to be really good somewhere else. “Dang it, I just know Darko will develop into a 25-15 guy every night in Orlando!” I have not one shred of fear that Rogers will become that in Cleveland. He’ll have those dominating games, but for every one of those, he’ll have three or four mail-ins. Just as we’ve come to expect from Rogers.

Don’t hold back Jamie, tell us how you really feel….

So I reached out to our friends at Ghosts of Wayne Fontes. Seeing as how they are Lion fans and not afraid to voice their opinion, I wondered what they had to say about Rogers? First, Stan fired off a response about his favorite Shaun memory-

“Big Baby.  He dazzled us and restored our hopes in the Lions when he scrambled with a fumble recovery and dove into the end zone against the Broncos.  It was the single greatest moment of the 2007 Lions season.  Years from now, no Lion fan will ever forget the high end comedy.  However, as Big Baby plowed down that field and we laughed…little did we realize that was it.  Big Baby and the Lions had cohesively run out of gas.  The tank was empty and not even an oxygen mask could help.  The Lions won only one more game the rest of the season and it’s questionable if Big Baby had another tackle either.”

Here’s a little video of that play for some reference-

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After he had a little time to digest the trade Stan had this to say about it-

That all said though…I fully expect Rodgers to have one of those typical F.U for not believing in me campaigns in Cleveland.  It’s a better culture and locker room in Cleveland…all pros for a lazy dude like Big Baby.  Plus the motivation of playing for a winning team and something to prove.  BTW, Kudos to Phil Savage for laying the blueprint on how to build an NFL roster.  Smart draft picks, stock pile talent, bring in savvy veteran free agents (Jurevicius, Lewis and McGinest) for leadership. Develop the young players at the skill positions and build a strong offense line.  The Browns are set to contend for the next 5 years at least. 

Thanks for the point of view Ghosts, I think the Lions are getting a quality cover man in Leigh Bodden. One that will come to work and play hard every snap. Here’s hoping that this trade works out for both of us. (With Matt Millen making that pick, you better get your value from Bodden.)

UPDATE: Rogers signed a new deal with the Browns today. The deal is reported to be for 6 years and $42 million, with $20 of that guaranteed. Wow. This looks like a high end deal for a guy with weight and potential motivation issues. Browns fans can only hope we don’t have a new Gerrard Warren on our hands here.

Tony Grossi and Marla Ridenour both wrote pieces praising Rogers’ new attitude towards his career today. (Wow, as if on cue…isn’t that a coincidence?)

First, Rogers’ old contract got real ugly at the back end. He was going to be due some outrageous cash if he stayed for the length of the deal, but why redo the deal now? Whay not wait and see what you have, at least through camp? I have to shake my head at this one a little. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

  • http://filteringcraig.com FilteringCraig

    I am wondering what Phil Savage thinks of Leigh Bodden. Does he think he is getting rid of a great cover corner, or does he feel like Bodden has become too injury prone for a position on the field that requires real athletes without injuries?

    It seems to me that if you look at the nefarious genius in New England and notice that he isn’t paying millions to keep his corners that the focus should always be on the line first. Just put young athletes out on the corners and hope they can make easy plays when you get consistent pressure on the QB.

  • Jeremy Coyle

    Well, I think Bodden was due a roster bonus and he was clamoring for more money. That was the big reason he was included in the trade. I don’t think Bodden was terrible, but he got beat a lot last year. Probably more than Brandon McDonald and Eric Wright at the same time. I’m alright with this trade.

  • http://www.firstandteninches.com Scott

    Bodden booting that football, ultimately drawing a 15-yarder against Cincy likely didn’t help his cause. Don’t think for one minute that the coaching staff doesn’t remember that move from a “veteran” and “team leader.”

    And it may be the Clevelander in me, but I have a gut feeling that he may want to play a bit harder here than for the Lions…but that could be the homer in me…

  • JHageman

    First of all, hope the trade works out for both teams. Lions follower (hard to say fan) for 50 years. Seen it all. Live in North Carolina and get the NFL package through satellite just to watch the Lions every time they play. Enough said? No question Rogers has talent, but I don’t think he’ll be any more than sporadic help for you Browns fans. He has ALWAYS been too big, and will have a negative impact on the players around him because he just doesn’t have the dedication/desire to discipline himself into playing shape. Has bad knees, which will not improve with either time or playing punishment, which will diminish one of his chief strenghths…unbelievable quickness for a huge man. Wish you guys the best, but when he continues to slog to the sidelines after playing six snaps, continuing to cash his checks, the other folks on the D will start to get agitated.
    Wish I had more history on Bodden. Seems like a pretty good player to me. JH

  • Rick

    Appreciate the comment J- let me ask you this, the Browns could potentially use Rogers as a nosetackle, do you think that is a role he would be better at?

  • JHageman

    I get confused with all the terminology. Detroit plays a 4-3, and I thought you folks did too, right?….particularly with the signings (extension with Rogers) and Williams. I think they moved Rogers to ‘under tackle’ last year, with Redding playing ‘off’. Thought being, what I’m hearing you say; let him be more disruptive in a limited space. Could work, but when he ‘plays’ he has unbelievable pursuit/agility, so if you think about limiting him in space, you lose one of his most valuable qualities, in my opinion.
    Still comes down to his conditioning, desire I think. Granted, the Detroit environment was not conducive during the Morninwheg, Maricucci eras, but that, I hope has changed with Marinelli. Regardless, you can’t blame the environment for you professionalism. Barry Sanders had nothing around him for most of his career, as did Walter Payton, but those guys brought it every week.
    One thing you will enjoy is when he blocks a field goal. Great talent….hope you guys get to experience it. JH