July 24, 2014

The Cleveland Cavaliers Trade Options

Cleveland Cavaliers
The NBA trade deadline is tomorrow afternoon at 3:00 pm EST. As we get closer and closer to that deadline, we are going to be hearing more and more rumors swirling around. It’s obviously going to be the dominant topic of the next couple days, so we figured it would be beneficial for us to take an updated look at what the Cavaliers’ salary situation for the next couple years might look like, to give us a better understanding of what the Cavaliers’ options truly are.   

The first thing we need to understand is where the salary cap is going to be in the next couple years. This is the trickiest part of the equation because something is likely about to happen that has never happened before under the modern Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA): the salary cap is likely to actually decrease rather than increase.

This is all speculation at this point, but the salary cap is defined as a percentage of the NBA’s Basketball Related Income (BRI). Under the current economic conditions we are living in, it’s not surprising that more and more franchises have been experiencing losses from a lack of revenue. This slowing of revenue, though, means a reduced BRI figure is expected by most of the people I’ve talked to.

There is a wide and varied opinion expressed out there over how big of a loss (if any at all) the NBA will actually experience. Some people will point out that because season tickets are sold as future revenue, the impact on individual teams may actually be a year away yet. What this means is that some people have already bought season tickets for this year, but are just now being impacted economically and thus won’t decline their tickets until next season. The Salary Cap is set as an estimate of the upcoming season’s revenues, so if people decide not to renew tickets in 2009, the cap won’t be impacted until 2010.

Still, other people seem less certain that any kind of major loss will be coming. Some think teams will adjust ticket prices accordingly and the true losses will be somewhat minimal in terms of cap impact.

No matter how serious or dire you think the NBA’s financial situation is, the consensus is that some degree of salary cap decline can be expected. But in order to do some future projections, we need to decide for ourselves where to put the level of decline at. For this, we will defer to ESPN’s John Hollinger, who wrote about this back in January already. He writes:

And if you think the summer of 2009 looks bad, just wait until the much-hyped summer of 2010. First, the league’s revenues are likely to be much lower in 2009-10 than they are this season, and that’s the number that’s the basis for setting the 2010-11 cap. The many season-ticket holders and sponsors who couldn’t get out of their commitments this fall instead will jump ship a year from now, creating a revenue shortfall league-wide.

That, in turn, will result in the make-up provision having a major effect in the summer of 2010. And since the cap in 2010 will have been set off a lowered revenue base, it will turn into a double-whammy.

To illustrate, I modeled a situation in which league revenues increase by 2 percent in 2008-09 but declined by 3 percent in 2009-10. I’m not saying this will happen, but just humor me for a second.

If that were the case, the cap would decrease by about 0.5 percent in 2008-09 … and then it would decrease by a whopping 5.6 percent in 2009-10. The cap would go all the way down to $55.2 million that year.

For his model, he ends up with an average annual decrease of close to 3%. I’m going to be slightly more optimistic than that for our model, though. I’ve seen most estimates fall somewhere between $54 million and $61 million for the 2010 cap projection, and I’m going to somewhat split the difference to go with a pretty moderate estimate. We’ll go ahead and base our numbers on an average annual decrease of 1.5% (this assumes a 0.5% decrease in 2009 and thus a 2.5% decrease in 2010). Doing this gives us a 2009 cap figure of $58.39 million and a 2010 cap figure of $56.93 million.

Now that we have some guesses at the cap numbers, lets look at how much salary the Cavaliers will have on the books in the next couple offseasons. Assuming Zydrunas Ilgauskas picks up his player option for next year and Anderson Varejao declines his, the offseason roster as of now will look like:

  1. LeBron James – $15,779,912
  2. Ben Wallace – $14,000,000
  3. Zydrunas Ilgauskas – $11,541,074
  4. Mo Williams – $8,860,000
  5. Sasha Pavlovic – $4,950,000
  6. Delonte West – $4,254,250
  7. Daniel Gibson – $4,088,500
  8. JJ Hickson – $1,429,200
  9. Darnell Jackson – $736,420
  10. 2009 1st round pick – ~$836,300
  11. 2009 2nd round pick – ~$450,000

That gives the Cavaliers a total salary of $66,925,656. They will be $8,539,056 over the cap before they even fill in their last roster spot. If Anderson Varejao decides to pick up his option, then the Cavaliers’ salary will be approx. $73,138,616. No matter what happens between now and this offseason (whether they keep AV or not), the only money the Cavaliers will have to spend on other free agents is their Mid-Level Exception (MLE), approx. $5.7 million, which they will likely be used on a veteran role player (possibly guys like Antonio McDyess, Joe Smith, Wally Szczerbiak, etc).

Moving forward, then, the 2010 offseason roster looks like this, assuming LeBron doesn’t pick up his $17.149 million option:

  1. Mo Williams – $9,300,000
  2. Delonte West – $4,658,500
  3. Daniel Gibson – $4,015,334
  4. JJ Hickson – $1,528,920
  5. Darnell Jackson – $854,389
  6. 2009 1st round pick – ~$899,000
  7. 2009 2nd round pick – ~$650,000
  8. 2010 1st round pick – ~$863,300
  9. 2010 2nd round pick – ~$430,000

This gives the Cavaliers a total salary of just $22,300,443. Using our 2010 salary cap estimate of $56.93 million, the Cavaliers will be approx. $34,626,492 under the cap. They would also have an additional ~$5.8 million to spend using their MLE (along with their $2.08 million bi-annual exception, if needed). Using all exceptions and free space, that would be a total of $42,506,492 to spend (keeping in mind that exceptions cannot be combined, either with each other or with remaining cap space, to sign any player).

We’ll get to how all of this impacts the potential LeBron James signing in a moment, but first lets see what happens if the Cavaliers were to happen to trade for either Antawn Jamison, Marcus Camby, or Brad Miller in the next 24 hours.

Antawn Jamison

Jamison’s contract is definitely the heftiest of all the potential trade options the Cavaliers currently are rumored to have. Here is the breakdown on Jamison’s remaining contract:

  • 2008-09: $9,923,285
  • 2009-10: $11,641,095
  • 2010-11: $13,358,905
  • 2011-12: $15,076,715

The problem with this potential deal is that the Cavaliers would also have to take another player back (rumored to be Etan Thomas) to make the salaries matchup with Wally’s expiring deal. Granted, the Cavs could always send Eric Snow’s expiring contract and JJ Hickson to Washington in return for just Jamison, but we’re going to assume, according to the rumors, that the deal is Wally for Jamison and Thomas.   Here’s how Jamison’s and Thomas’s contracts impact the next two offseasons:

  • 2009: Projected Cap – $58.39 million
    • Cavs salary without Jamison (and Thomas) or Varejao: $66.926 million
    • Cavs salary with Varejao, without Jamison (and Thomas): $73.129 million
    • Cavs salary with Jamison (and Thomas), without Varejao: $85.917 million
    • Cavs salary with Jamison (and Thomas) and Varejao: $92.130 million
  • 2010: Projected Cap – $56.93 million
    • Cavs salary without Jamison: $22.300 million
    • Cavs salary with Jamison: $35.659 million
    • Etan Thomas would be off the books in 2010

Even with Jamison, the Cavaliers will still be around $20 million under the cap in the summer of 2010. If Varejao were to pick up his option, though, the 2009 salary for the Cavaliers would be simply outrageous, though. Even if he didn’t pick up his options, Dan Gilbert is still looking at paying a pretty steep luxury tax charge.

The biggest factor, however, will be whether the Cavaliers will be able to afford to sign LeBron James AND another younger player in that offseason. We’ll get to that in a minute, but first, here’s how the other guys would impact the Cavaliers.

Marcus Camby

Marcus Camby’s contract is nice in that it’s actually smaller next season than it is this year. Here’s how his contract breaks down:

  • 2008-09: $8,000,000
  • 2009-10: $7,650,000

Similar to the Jamison deal, the Cavs would need to bring back more salary to make the deal matchup with Wally’s expiring amount, but unlike the Wizards, the Clippers don’t have anyone on the books for next offseason that they would want to get rid of, so we’ll just assume the Clippers send another expiring (say, Brian Skinner) in this deal. So here’s how Camby’s contract impacts the next two offseasons:

  • 2009: Projected Cap – $58.39 million
    • Cavs salary without Camby or Varejao: $66.926 million
    • Cavs salary with Varejao, without Camby: $73.129 million
    • Cavs salary with Camby, without Varejao: $74.576 million
    • Cavs salary with Camby and Varejao: $80.789 million
    • Brian Skinner would be off the books in 2009
  • 2010: Projected Cap – $56.93 million
    • Cavs salary without Camby: $22.300 million
    • Camby would be off the books in 2010

So obviously Marcus Camby’s contract isn’t all that different from Jamison’s in terms of impact on the Cavaliers options in 2009 (other than luxury tax amount), but in 2010 the Cavaliers would still have all of their approx. $42.506 million to spend.

Brad Miller

With all the swirling rumors about the Kings possibly being moved from Sacramento, you kind of get the feeling they’d love to shed Miller’s contract for next season. Here’s what Miller’s situation looks like:

  • 2008-09: $11,375,000
  • 2009-10: $12,250,000

Unlike the previous two trade scenarios, in the Kings’ trade, Wally could be traded straight up, 1-for-1, for Brad Miller. The Kings might also be the team most likely to buy out Wally’s contract, leaving a scenario for him to re-sign with the Cavaliers after 30 days. But here’s how Miller’s contract impacts the next two offseasons:

  • 2009: Projected Cap – $58.39 million
    • Cavs salary without Miller or Varejao: $66.926 million
    • Cavs salary with Varejao, without Miller: $73.129 million
    • Cavs salary with Miller, without Varejao: $78.301 million
    • Cavs salary with Miller and Varejao: $84.514 million
  • 2010: Projected Cap – $56.93 million
    • Cavs salary without Miller: $22.300 million
    • Miller would be off the books in 2010

So again, in the case of Brad Miller, the Cavaliers would still have all of their options open to them in the summer of 2010.

In order to now determine which trade scenario is the best for the Cavaliers, we need to examine how Jamison would impact the Cavaliers’ roster with LeBron James in 2010.

Re-Signing LeBron James (and a sidekick to go with him)

In a perfect world scenario, let’s assume LeBron wants to re-sign in Cleveland for the max contract amount in 2010. If Antawn Jamison is still under contract, we have pointed out that the Cavaliers’ salary in that offseason will be $35.659 million. Under our cap estimations, that would leave the Cavaliers with $21,267,935 million to spend. The first year of LeBron’s max deal would then be $16,073,488 (I won’t explain the math here….if you want to know where that number comes from, email me and I’ll let you know).

Here’s why that’s important. Even though the Cavaliers would have LeBron’s bird rights and would be free to exceed the cap to sign him, they can’t use up $16 million of their $21.267 million cap space to sign, say, Chris Bosh, and then sign LeBron to his max deal above the cap. Unfortunately (for the Cavaliers), there’s a rule that says when you hold the rights to a free agent, his contract counts against the cap until you release him or he signs somewhere. So that $16.073 million will already be on Cleveland’s books, leaving them with just $5,194,447 to offer another free agent. At that point, the Cavaliers’ hands will be tied.

If we take Jamison off the books, though, the Cavaliers’ salary (without LeBron) will be just $22.3 million. Under the cap figure of $56.93 million, that would leave them with $34,629,557 in free space. Subtract out the $16.073 million for LeBron’s max deal, and you still have $18,556,069 left to spend. Now, the Cavaliers will have the needed cap space to sign another major free agent. In this scenario, the Cavs’ roster in 2010 could potentially look like this:

  1. LeBron James – $16,073,488
  2. Chris Bosh (or Dwyane Wade) – $16,000,000
  3. Mo Williams – $9,300,000
  4. Delonte West – $4,658,500
  5. Daniel Gibson – $4,015,334
  6. JJ Hickson – $1,528,920
  7. Darnell Jackson – 854,389
  8. 2009 1st round pick – ~$899,000
  9. 2009 2nd round pick – ~$650,000
  10. 2010 1st round pick – ~$863,300
  11. 2010 2nd round pick – ~$430,000
  12. Veteran Role Player Signed Using MLE – ~$5,000,000

Perhaps there’s not a lot of depth to that team, and perhaps the MLE would be split to sign 2 veterans, but this gives you a general idea of what the Cavaliers’ financial situation over the next couple of seasons is looking like as of right now.

Summary

So which trade is the best option for the Cavaliers? Well, it’s interesting that each one has something different to offer. The Brad Miller trade would net the Cavaliers 0 additional wins over staying the course, according to John Hollinger. In that trade, though, the Cavaliers would not have to take on additional salary and Miller would be on the roster for the 2009-10 season.

In the Jamison trade, the Cavaliers would pick up 6 additional wins, according to Hollinger. However, not only would the Cavs have to take back another expensive contract for a season, but they’d also lose the ability to sign another player in 2010.

Therefore, the Camby trade seems to be the best bet for the Cavaliers. According to Hollinger’s analysis, that trade would net the Cavaliers 7 additional wins, wouldn’t cost them anyone else other than Camby in 2009-10, and would give them full cap flexibility in 2010.

If we assume the Brad Miller trade is the least desirable trade for Ferry, and the Clippers stick to their guns and will not trade Camby, Ferry may be left with the very tough decision of whether or not to pull the trigger for Jamison. If Ferry isn’t that confident LeBron is going to sign in 2010 as things stand, then he might as well go for it, try to win the Championship now and in 2010, and then cross your fingers that LeBron will stay without adding anyone else that year.

If Ferry thinks LeBron will stay in 2010 if the Cavaliers can sign someone else, then Ferry will have to think twice about doing this deal. Who knows how willing the Wizards are to trade Jamison regardless, but perhaps the degree to which Ferry pursues that trade will offer us the slightest of glimpses into his mindset regarding 2010. How confident is he that LeBron will stay? Is he confident enough to leave the Cavaliers with options for that summer, or does he feel the Cavaliers should go for the title now and worry about 2010 when it gets here.

No matter what, either way, the next 24 hours are going to be fun to watch.

  • http://www.jrosen.wordpress.com Jacob Rosen

    Great article. I really enjoyed seeing the numbers here, and I think I posted this contract numbers for Miller, Jamison and Camby about a month or so ago. Nice work.

  • S-Dub

    That is an interesting rule about not being able to sign a guy until our guy goes somewhere else. Kind of throws a wrench into things.

    Looks like Jamison isn’t coming here anyway though. But, if he did, The Cavs would still have Mo, Jamison and Delonte, a good Hickson (assuming further development) hopefully LBJ and with SO many guys supposed to be out there that summer, maybe the money dries up for some of them and we could get a guy for the rest of our cap space and another player for the MLE.

    ALSO, we can’t account for how our rookies will play either. Never know when you might be able to find a hidden gem late in the draft (ala Spurs every year and Boobie). Great article though.

    Best thing would be Camby, I think Miller AND Salmons would be a good trade, if Miller comes off the bench and plays to his ability.

  • http://www.ballerblogger.com Brandon @ BB

    I think Cleveland has to keep their options open for the summer of 2010. If the Cavs falter this season and next, it’s imperative that they have options to improve their roster when James becomes a free agent.

  • http://www.ballerblogger.com Brandon @ BB

    If I’m Danny Ferry, I’m doing everything in my power to make sure I have enough space for Chris Bosh and Amare Stoudemire because those guys are going to be available in due time. Antawn Jamison is a good player, but Bosh and Stoudemire would take the Cavs to another level.

  • Swig

    Very impressive write-up rock.

    The thing I don’t get. Everyone is talking about teams wanting to dump salary, but no one is buying what the Cavs are selling? I declare conspiracy

  • mj

    I’m surprised you don’t mention the commissioner’s statements over All-Star weekend regarding a decrease in the salary cap. And not for 2010, but for this coming league year (2009-2010) due to overly optimistic projections being used to calculate the 2008-2009 cap.

    ESPN had a column the other day about this, specifically as to how it will impact the Knicks. Aside from being an interesting read, it is terribly deflating to Knicks fans who still expect their team to sign two big-name FAs in the 2010 class. As a matter of fact, under the current CBA rules and current economic conditions, they are unlikely to even have room to sign one max FA barring some major salary-dumping trades:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Knicks2010-090217

  • Elton

    Yes, thanks for doing all the number crunching. Very nice to have the trade options put in perspective for future cap space.

  • http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/08/elul-press-conference.html Ezzie

    Anyone care to figure out the numbers if LeBron doesn’t wait until 2010? While everyone is assuming he’s waiting, if he decides earlier that in fact he’d prefer staying, he might also be willing to sign the extension earlier if that would help the Cavs financially.

    And are we all assuming (reasonably) that Z is retiring after 2009-10? (If so, that makes the other big name the Cavs go for Bosh unless Hickson is really that good by then that it is fine to go for Wade.)

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    @Ezzie: LeBron won’t sign early. If he does, he only gets 25% of the cap rather than the 30% he gets after 7 seasons (2010). It is far more likely that LeBron may actually pick up his option for 2010 if he thinks the cap will go back up in 2011.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    “LeBron won’t sign early. If he does, he only gets 25% of the cap rather than the 30% he gets after 7 seasons (2010). ”

    How would this work if the cap drops as forecasted? Could he possibly make less money as 30 percent of a lower cap than 25 of one that’s higher?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    His max contract in 2009, with a projected cap of $58.39 million would be just $13.749 million. His 2010 max contract figure will be $16.073 million. His 2010 option is for $17.149 million, FWIW.

  • http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/08/elul-press-conference.html Ezzie

    RK – Thanks for the info.

    So he’d lose about $16m over the term of his next contract? Or would he be able to restructure the contract at some point which would minimize or even eliminate that loss?

    Even so, he might deem it “worthwhile” if a) it would “guarantee” championship(s) [contention] each year, and b) if it would improve his image as “selfless” for sacrificing for the team, both of which would also have the added monetary benefit of increased endorsement rates, as he’d surpass Jordan in icon status as a selfless team player leading a perennial championship team from his hometown.

    Basically I wonder if the more his “loss” would be mitigated down the road the more he might consider the idea.

  • Josh

    Wow Rock, that was a great write-up! Seeing all of that on paper makes it much more understandable as to why they haven’t gone full throttle after Jamison. I like him, but if he screws up our chances at a blockbuster ’10, i don’t want him…because frankly i don’t think he guarantees us anything this year.

    Camby on the other hand makes sense financially and his Defense and Rebounding give the kind of skill set we need.

    I say Camby or nothing.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    I’m not exactly sure. It’s really hard to predict with the BRI being so flexible and declining for the first time under this CBA. I’m not sure anyone fully grasps yet what the best course of action will be for these players. We won’t really be able to guess until we know for sure where the cap is in 2010.

  • Vic

    “No matter what, either way, the next 24 hours are going to be fun to watch.”

    Holy smokes, how can you say that? I’m over here gnawing off my fingernails, worried over any move that might be made! As far as I’m concerned, leave the roster alone this year. Injuries have thinned out our depth too much to risk screwing up the chemistry of the remaining roster. We gotta gut it out with what we have right now. When/If our roster is back to full strength, we’ll be more than equipped to make a championship run this year. Look at making some moves in the offseason. Keeping some salary available for 2010 is imperative, so don’t clog up the roster with unnecessary contracts.

  • http://www.zfcomics.com dgriff13

    wow, great rundown. you laid it all out for us. Thanks!

    I’d hate to be Danny Ferry right now, lol. What a decision to make! I have faith tho… do as you will, Danny Boy.

  • Hoy

    So if the cap drops 2 years in a row you may see alot of the big free agents sign short term deals in 2010 with hopes of the cap rising with an improving economy and then being able to get bigger deals. I have no idea what the rules are governing length of contract vs. dollar amount so this may not be possible.

    It would be really funny from a Cleveland fan’s point of view to see Lebron exercise that player contract and then watch the Knicks and all those other teams dumping for 2010 go “ummmm, ok so now who do we give 30 million to?” Do any of the other big ’10 free agents have player options that are worth more than what a max contract would be with a declining cap? This could be really entertaining

    Hoy

  • http://whiskyrebellion.com Battles

    I was told there would be no math.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    @Hoy: I would imagine at this point the Knicks would love it if LeBron picked up his extension. The Knicks will have more cap space in 2011 than they will in 2010. Unless the Knicks find someone to take Curry off their hands, I just don’t see how they’re going to have the cap space to get LeBron in 2010.

  • http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/08/elul-press-conference.html Ezzie

    RK – And if ‘Bron signs a 3-4 year deal? (Is there a cap rule that has to do with players who’ve done 10 years? I thought I vaguely remember something like that…) Figure the cap might stay low through 2011 and only start climbing in 2012, and still not getting higher than this year until 2013…

    This is definitely going to be interesting.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com DP

    Doesn’t the current CBA expire sometime around 2010/2011, as well?

    If the cap keeps going down, to me, it increases the likelihood of LBJ staying put. Not only is he going to lose money on his max deal here, but any max deal he signs with another team would also be less, commensurate to the cap.

  • http://www.twitter.com/dennymayo IRB?

    Needs more funny.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    @Ezzie: Yes, at 10 years you get 35% of the cap. Here’s the thing I completely forgot, though. A player’s max is never less than 105% of his previous year’s salary, so LeBron’s max in 2010 will be $16,568,907 if the cap decreases. I listed his max at $16,073,488. So my numbers are slightly off, and I apologize about that. But it’s not off enough to change any of the points.

  • http://serandez.blogspot.com/2008/08/elul-press-conference.html Ezzie

    RK – So then it might be in LeBron’s best interests to sign a 4-year extension after this season, then another deal in 2013. Doing so would help both him out in the long run and the team both in the short-term and long-term.

    If I had the time I’d start crunching the numbers for this, but I wonder if that was discussed and why he hinted recently at possibly extending this off-season.

  • http://shakesthesnowglobe.blogspot.com EZ

    Great article. I’ve been salivating over Camby for months, for the exact reason that his contract ends at the perfect time. Well, in addition to his presence in the paint.

  • go cavs

    Much of your reasoning revolves around the Cavs signing LeBron AND another max contract player. The reality is that this is very unlikely. Given the past track record of superstar players and free agency, the vast majority stay with their original teams. Based on this fact, the most likely outcome in 2010 is that LeBron stays and the Cavs are not able to sign Bosh or Wade. If this was in fact the case and we couldn’t get one of those guys away from their current teams, then what would we think of the Jameson scenerio?

  • MaimLarry

    The Chicago Bulls and Sacramento Kings have reached tentative agreement on a trade sending Andres Nocioni, Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons to the Kings for Brad Miller and John Salmons, ESPN.com.

    One source said the Bulls players were pulled off the team bus Wednesday afternoon and were told they had been traded.

    Michael Ruffin of the Bulls also was told be was being traded to Portland in a separate deal, the source added.

    Another source said the trade was expected to be finalized by Wednesday evening.

    So, looks like Miller is out.

  • Harv 21

    Hat’s off, Rock. Did you pull an all-nighter to do this? I’ve been sure that Varajao is in his last year as a Cavs, though not as positive now as every team would be wise not to overpay one-dimensional players), and we’ll need that rebounding replacement, so all together now: “… Camby! Camby! Camby!” Come to think of it, Camby’s contract might be one that Andy’s agent would try to push as fair because they share skill sets.

  • http://www.jrosen.wordpress.com Jacob Rosen

    I still think that the Cavaliers could do better than Jamison in such a situation. he will 34 years old at that point in time and will be making as much money as arguably the top possible free agents, excluding Wade and Bosh.

    Here is a list of some other unrestricted free agents in 2010 that are flying way under the radar:
    Atlanta Hawks G Joe Johnson
    Dallas Mavericks F Josh Howard
    Houston Rockets G/F Tracy McGrady
    Houston Rockets C Yao Ming
    Milwaukee Bucks G Michael Redd
    Milwaukee Bucks G/F Richard Jefferson
    Minnesota Timberwolves G/F Mike Miller
    Oklahoma City Thunder C Tyson Chandler
    Phoenix Suns G Steve Nash
    San Antonio Spurs G Manu Ginobili

    There are many players on just this list of unrestricted free agents that I would rather have, even at a similar price. That flexibility is very valuable as well, as it would enable the Cavaliers to possibly target a G/F if Varejao sticks around, or possibly a guy like Yao or Chandler to replace Big Z.

  • gumes

    does anyone have a good link that explains in detail the current NBA CBA? thanks.

  • bridgecrosser

    @Rock – I thought if you were under the cap by more than the MLE + LLE, you don’t get to use them, so those aren’t plausible for the 2010 free agency signing period….

  • anonymous coward

    man oh man

    would anyone like to discuss — if we sign jamison — the possibility of shipping him out next year for an expiring contract?

    since so many people are (reportedly) interested in jamison this year, perhaps next year we would find a way to unload him (to a playoff bound team, or anyone looking for an experienced big man)? of course, if we are heading for the title next year, this wouldn’t happen, and winning that title would keep lebron around for the trifecta (presuming we win this year, of course). and again, all that depends on how well jamison does here — assuming he does get traded here.

    everything about this post is so very very hypothetical, but i guess so is everything else in the article. so let’s run with it.

    what potentially playoff-bound team NEXT YEAR would want a veteran big man, with a large expiring in return? perhaps the bulls find themselves and brad miller becomes a cav next year!

    haha this is getting ridiculous. let’s fast forward to 3:01 tomorrow.

  • Hoy

    @Jacob, thats quite a list although I would have to say McGrady has secured his legacy as an injury prone team killer. He can’t put a team over the top in the playoffs and he can’t stay healthy long enough to be worth the $$$ that he’ll want. There are some other interesting options on that list though, especially if Z retires after ’10.

  • Hoy

    sorry for the double post but I just wanted to double check what I was reading, current word on espn is that LA won’t deal Camby unless it improves their roster right now. They’re 13-41 and 2nd to last in the West, what the hell do they have to gain from improving this season (I think this is crazier than Washington, who at least feel like they have all the pieces)?

    We’re offering them the biggest expiring contract in the league right now, every sports writer always says the clippers are out of their minds, I think I’m finally sold on it.

  • BillLegarm

    One thing to note…I don’t know that Sasha is guaranteed that money next year…I can’t find any details to provide a link, but I’m almost certain that he’s not.

  • Chris

    Also to add…. Brian Windhorst said earlier Z wants to stay for a while longer after 2010…remember he basically has missed 4 full seasons in 12 years. But I am sure his contract would be smaller (if the Cavs decide to keep him).

  • http://www.clevelandfrowns.com Cleveland Frowns

    Awesome post. Thanks.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com RockKing

    @Bridge: it’s correct that you can’t use the MLE until you are at the cap limit. However, teams who are under the cap actually have all of their available exceptions added to their salary, and that figure is actually their cap charge. So, if the Cavs sign a couple guys and are less than the MLE under the cap, they will actually be considered “over” the cap when you add in the MLE amount and will thus then be able to use the MLE.

    @BillLegarm: Sasha’s contract is guaranteed, but I believe only like $1 million of it is actually guaranteed. This may make his good trade bait, but the Cavs aren’t likely to cut him because they are so far over the tax level that saving on his contract really won’t help them that much.

  • bridgecrosser

    @ Rock – great follow up. You did a lot of good work on this. I know it’s terms change eacg year, but maybe you should consider a NBA salary cap FAQ page b/c for the Lebron era, that page would be a great resource. It seems from above you’ve consolidated a lot of the info:

    Here are your current 2009 and 2010 NBA free agents:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-09-10

    Here are all current NBA salaries:
    http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

  • roy

    i feel really postaive about are team right now tho i feel we could use anothre big man

  • http://none tom

    excellent write-up….exactly what the die-hard cavs fans are looking for! i’m surprised you didn’t mention shaq in your projected trades, but this was great…thank you!!!

  • thomas nguyen

    … theres no centre in ur final roster. i noe there could be chris bosh but.. hes not exactly dwight howard

  • http://none tom

    ROck, this is truly one of the best articles i’ve read….as a die-hard cavs fan, i LOVE knowing all the details behind the cap/salaries/strategies that Danny Ferry is going thru!!!

    thanks much!!

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