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Open Thread: Browns vs Baltimore Ravens

November 16, 2009 by 159 Comments

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Baltimore Ravens (4-4) at Cleveland Browns (1-7) | Cleveland Browns Stadium
8:30 PM EST | ESPN, WJW-TV (Ch. 8); WMMS FM/100.7. 
48 degrees, winds 13 mph | Line: BAL (-10.5)

Nothing says Browns Football like the primetime, national stage.  Prepare for a few mentions of the “protest,” Brady Quinn’s return, Jamal Lewis’ statements regarding Eric Mangini and the all-around ineptness that is the Orange and Brown. 

Jon Gruden (he who replaced our beloved TK NK) has recently signed a contract extension with ESPN, though he was one of the rumored names to be possibly replacing Eric Mangini if he were to be given the pink slip following one season.  This, I imagine, will not be discussed tonight.

As always, feel free to follow along in the comments below.  Please be coginzant of our commenting policy regardless of how awful things get. 

For what it’s worth, BoDog has this bet open for tonight’s contest:

What will be higher in Week 10 of the 2009 NFL Regular Season?

Baltimore Ravens first half points (+115)
Cleveland Browns total points (-155)

Discuss.  Go Browns!

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  • brwnsgrl

    CAN NO ONE IN OHIO PUNT A BALL LONGER THAN 25 YARDS???

  • ClemJax

    Horrendous defense NK?

  • Andrew S

    Why is Brandon McDonald playing? He is awful. Rex Ryan, Eric Mangini and the entire defense should be embarrassed for failing to get set on numerous plays this game.

  • historycat

    And the world is once again right side up.

  • Andrew S

    ah familiarity

  • Tim

    Derek Anderson could’ve done that…

  • Jack

    You know who’s awful, Andrew?

    BRADY QUIINN!!!

    I love MNF because we can hear the national announcers point out his inability to throw down field.

    God…he’s horrible.

  • Lebron3eb

    well that was quick…at least Sean Rogers gets to work on his kick blocking

  • whipjacka

    that was a cool camera angle for the block

  • historycat

    It’s not really the wildcat if Cribbs never throws the ball. Is it?

  • ClemJax

    OK, seriously, what’s the problem here? Can Quinn not make the throw, or has there been a single play call so far that would let him throw down field? I’m seeing lots of quick slants, screens, short throws and such. Has there been a play to let him throw it long?

  • Jack

    HE CAN’T MAKE THE THROWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

  • Lebron3eb

    yikes

  • Jack

    How do we know, Jaws?

    Practice; we talkin’ bout practice.

    We know he can’t throw further than ten yards because of practice.

  • Tim

    I agree, I don’t care how inexperienced our receivers are- they are not so unathletic that they can get absolutley no separation. Let them go, run a double-move or anything other than the 3-yard routes we’re seeing.

  • Goalie007

    “Can’t anybody play this here game?”

    - Charles Dillon “Casey” Stengel

    Great quote by the manager of the original 1962 Amazin’ Mets, who were almost as bad as this Browns team. Certainly applies here-

  • ClemJax

    Completely off the record, but between this game and the massive national coverage the Cavs have had for the last few weeks, it’s wonderful seeing all the images of downtown Cleveland while I’m sitting out on my back porch watching the game.

    (although, I’m not sure if I’m liking my wife’s constant statement of “hey, there’s both of the buildings!”)

  • Jack

    A completion for -1 yard.

  • Tim

    -2 yard pass

  • Lebron3eb

    brady is rolling with a 13.0 passer rating…

  • ClemJax

    Jack, I’m curious, what do you want Quinn to do? 90% of the play calls have been quick screens or quick slants. You throw the play that’s called, right?

  • REEPJP

    Back from the bar…..I didn’t think it would take this long…..

  • Alex

    I think it’s safe to say that our offensive coordinator is the worst in the history of the NFL. No, make that all of football.

  • Jack

    ClemJax: My point is two pronged…

    1) I want all the people pissing and moaning about DA to realize that this team sucks and that Brady Quinn is actually a far worses quarterback than DA, as difficult as that may be to believe.

    2) MORE IMPORTANTLY: To realize that the play selection results from his Brady’s lack of ability. That is the causal directionality. We call these plays because he can’t make the throws. We called lots of deep routes with DA because he was capable of throwing them (however [in]accurately).

    BRADY CAN’T THROW FAR; THAT IS WHY THEY HAVE SEEN MORE SCREENS TONIGHT THAN IN THEIR COLLECTIVE FOOTBALL LIVES.

  • MattC

    this is worse than the “ask madden” offense – for surus.

  • DCBucks

    There are 5 dirtbirds in the backfield the instant the ball is snapped. Unless the receivers are getting shot out of a rail gun there is no way a pass is going down field. Not saying that BQ would make the pass, if he had time, but we’ll never know.

    The Browns just flat out suck. Dahole must have studied under Jim Bollman at OSU.

  • Tim

    Oh good, The Shot. That’s applicable.

  • historycat

    Wow, they even showed ‘the shot’ during a football game.

    Thanks ESPN.

  • B-bo

    Jordan over Ehlo NK

  • DCBucks

    The worst team in the NFL and it isn’t even close.

  • Alex

    74, you’re wrong. The scouting reports of him coming out of ND included the fact that he had a strong arm. If people thought he had a strong arm coming out of college, why would he be unable to make 20 yard throws now? Answer: he can still make them, they’re just never called because we have a clump of dirt calling plays.

  • Jack

    ~@~

  • Marco

    The pass protection inhales rectum.

  • Lebron3eb

    Ray Rice has a passer rating of 39.1. He threw one incomplete pass. BQ has a rating of 15.1… I love Brady, and this is definitely a result of many factors (offensive line, playcalling), but man…this is atrocious. Not that i want DA…he sucks too. It might be better to take a knee every down…

  • Jack

    Alex, why then did they call them for DA?

    Why were scouts concerned about his arm strength at the combine?

    Why did he, in fact, finish in the bottom 50% in arm strength drills at the workout?

    Riddle me this, Alex?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    [WFNY Edit]

  • Lebron3eb

    Hodges is mediocre at best…who thinks we are winning this game with MVP Zastudil Playing?!?! hah

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    Also, at this point I’d like to point out that Jim Tressel is embarrassed that Mangini won’t let BQ throw down field.

  • whipjacka

    the worst part is that our defense actually showed up tonight and it was a totally wasted effort

  • Alex

    Jack, finishing in bottom 50% doesn’t mean he can’t make 20 yard throws, and if you think it does, you’re just full of it. As alluded to above by everyone, our OC is godawful. DA had those called because they were the ONLY chance he had to make completions, since short throws bounced off feet and into the other team’s hands. What else are you gonna call with someone who cannot make a 5-10 yard pass to save his life?

    Quinn can make those throws. They result in completions. Again, our OC is a clump of dirt, and everyone has pointed out all the terrible decisions Mangini has made about everything, so why do you think they’re right about anything? And where are these scouting reports from before the draft? I looked up a few a while back and the only thing I could find that didn’t require paying for noted that Quinn’s arm strength was a positive.

  • Jack

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wcWtkV_jS0

    “Whether NFL insiders agree with Coach Weis remains to be seen…”

    Guess we found out?

    Please watch…even if you disagree with me. It’s pretty unbiased. But hilarious two years later for many reasons, including the appearances and performances by Crennel and Weis.

  • Tim

    Hey, we’re winning the time of possession battle. Mangini’s ball control offense is finally working!

  • Goalie007

    It really does appear that the defense in general is making the effort and keeping the game reasonably under control. On the other hand, the offense would have trouble with a good college team.

  • Alex

    Jack, notice that that video makes NO comments whatsoever about his arm strength. That…doesn’t reinforce your point. Underthrowing AND overthrowing deep balls was mentioned.

  • historycat

    Hmm, a long pass by Quinn. He can do it!!

  • Jack

    Alex, do you realize what you are saying?

    “DA had those called because they were the ONLY chance he had to make completions, since short throws bounced off feet and into the other team’s hands. What else are you gonna call with someone who cannot make a 5-10 yard pass to save his life?”

    But the same logic doesn’t apply for Quinn? Let’s give it a Mad Libs go:
    “BQ had those screens called because they were the ONLY chance he had to make completions, since long throw bounced 5 yards away, miss completely, or end up in the other team’s hands. What else are you gonna call with someone who cannot make a 10-20 yard pass to save his life?”

    I mean, really?

    (While writing this post we got to see a number of abysmally passes for Quinn. Did you see how high he had to throw that ball to get it 30 yards to Mass? Geez.)

  • Team Brady

    3 long passes!!! woah!

    so, apparently he can make them. they just need to refine the accuracy and timing and they might actually complete a few of them…

  • Jack

    Alex, I know about the video…I put it up because it was hilarious. Despite our disagreements, and I think you’ll agree that my last post puts you in a bit of a bind, at least from a formal argument’s perspective) that we can join the hilarity of that video as brotherly Browns fans.

    Like Weis still having demi-god status and acting as Brady’s “mentor.”

    Or Romeo Crennel just being Romeo Crennel.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    Not surprising at this point of the debacle that ESPN’s coverage has devolved into Gruden/Tirico/Jaws flirting endlessly, and the comments here have devolved into DA/BQ debate. :[

  • Jack

    Denny, the Tressel comment was lolz.

    Not a DA/BQ debate though. Just a cause-effect debate. We don’t call long throws because BQ has to morph into Ben Gordon to get the ball 30 yards.

    Not exactly a frozen rope. More like a rainmaker.

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