May 23, 2013

Eric Mangini on Brady Quinn’s Progress

88972243MS001_SAN_DIEGO_CHAThere is a growing debate on whether this past weekend’s game against the San Diego Chargers was a turning point of sorts for quarterback Brady Quinn.  One side saw a quarterback that looked like he actually knew what he was doing on the field; the other side saw a quarterback who had one solid drive and then padded his stats in the fourth quarter.  It would come as little surprise that head coach Eric Mangini locates himself somewhere in the middle of the pack, liking Quinn’s progress, but undoubtedly feels that the quarterback still has a ton of maturation ahead of him.

Quinn undoubtedly had a better statitsical game than most of his other nine starts, but Mangini was quick to say that it was not a one-man show.

“I think it’s collective, really when you look at it,” said Mangini.  “I thought the protection yesterday against San Diego was, for the most part, outstanding.  Very few times was he pressured.  I thought those guys held up well and not just the offensive line, but the tight ends that were involved, the backs that were involved. I think there were some really good throws, but also some really good catches.”

It is hard to argue with this assessment.  With all of the dropped passes and pass-rushers that have come mostly from the right side, it is amazing how different a quarterback looks when he actually has time to throw the ball to receivers who actually make catches.

“We’ve come in here enough times talking about balls that were dropped that were easily catchable balls,” claimed the head coach.  “I thought yesterday there were some balls that were caught that were really difficult catches, and that helps, too.”  Mangini continued with, “I think [Brady Quinn's] awareness of what the defense is giving us and if it’s not there, not trying to make something happen just because you feel the pressure to make something happen, but going to the check-down or  going to the underneath receiver.  I think he’s made good decisions there.”

Brady Quinn Phil Dawson AwkwardAside from looking at the San Diego game in a vaccuum, Mangini feels that he sees a lot of growth in Quinn over the past few weeks, but would love to see more consistency.

“I’ve been happy with [Quinn's] overall decision making.  There were a couple plays yesterday where I would have liked him to get rid of the ball sooner, whether it was the strip that we had in the red zone, or the sack that we had there on second-and-one,” said Mangini.  “I thought we played much better in the first and fourth quarter than we did in the second and third quarter.  I think, defensively, we could have helped by not, obviously, allowing them to hold the ball as long and provide some more opportunities there.”  And then, the “C” word… ”Consistency, to me, is the goal across the board, because as we’ve talked about, one really good kickoff return, one really average kickoff return, one really good defensive series, one really bad defensive series.  It’s not an easy skill to learn and it takes a lot of discipline.”

But what if Quinn had started the entire season, allowing for more chance at obtaining said consistency?  Mangini answered with the following:

“I think that, offensively, we’ve made improvements, collectively.  I’d like to think that regardless of who was at quarterback, we’d be performing better.  The things I was happy with both guys, there are things I was unhappy with across the unit.”

Annnnd, queue vague answer.  Obviously, Mangini will never say the true reason behind pulling Quinn and leaving Derek Anderson in under center where he would continue to flounder each week that followed the Cincinnati overtime contest. 

Regardless of the underlying factors, it appears that – barring injury – Brady Quinn will be manning this ship full of JV-like talent for the remainder of the 2009 season.  Former Browns plug-in quarterback Bruce Gradkowski had a successful day against the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday, so expectations have been set for the Browns.  Unfortunately, there are a few top-tier talents on the Oakland roster; something that will not be found anywhere on the Browns in terms of skill positions. 

After this week, Quinn will face Kansas City, Oakland and Jacksonville – perhaps the easiest three-game stretch that the Browns will have faced for the entire season.  Fans can count on the words “progress, growth and consistency” being tossed about after each game for the next month.  For Brady Quinn’s sake, let’s hope that all three are looked at in a positive light.

(Photo by Matt Sullivan/Getty Images)

  • marco

    I still have hope for Brady, but in the worst case he can act as a placeholder punching bag while we get the rest of the offense together.

  • Charlie

    It’s OK to give BQ some credit. After the DET game it was “oh, well, that was against DET.” After this game it’s he “had one solid drive and then padded his stats in the fourth quarter.” (I’m not saying that’s the position of this article, just of those naysayers out there.) He hasn’t thrown any INTs and he’s done pretty good considering. Every announcer we’ve had recently has harped on the fact that no QB would be successful with our roster and I think everyone agrees with that. So all in all, I’m happy. At least this game was somewhat watchable.

  • ben

    I think you have to be encouraged by his performance. It would be naive to suggest that Brady has finally come into his own, or that he doesn’t have room to improve. But I don’t think anyone with more than 2-brain cells is suggesting that.

    Decent day for Brady. Still a loss. But there are actually some “things” the offense can take from this game and work with(as opposed to the “things” Mangini “liked” when DA was QB).

  • Joseph

    So which “What in the hell did I just do?” pose is better; the one in this article or this one?

    http://www.27pitches.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/derek-anderson.jpg

  • Joseph

    On the subject at hand I think it was nice to see Quinn make some throws and look better then he has at times. The nice thing were that his passes had some good zip on them unlike the occasional “wobbler” DA would put up. Quinn obviously cannot make the throws when he is pressured or feeling the pressure but he seems to be getting more comfortable in the pocket and not as skittish.

    It’s early but I think the upside is looking good and hopefully he’ll continue to get better.

  • Scooter

    I have seen a lot of bad in BQ’s game up until this past Sunday. Even in the Detroit game, I chalked it up to who we were playing. I hope that he turns out to be the greatest QB in Browns history. If he’s not, then let’s make that decision and start looking for that guy. Overall, I think Sunday was our best game of the year. Can anyone truthfully say we looked better agains Buffalo? Here’s hoping we are on the path to recovery!

  • ben

    @Joseph: There are considerably less dreamboat-biceps in your picture.

  • TBrown

    Offensive touchdowns are fun.

    Also, I don’t think Sunday’s game involved any stat-padding; it looked like the guys were genuinely trying to stage a comeback, improbable though it was.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    Joseph – what about this one?

  • https://twitter.com/dj_2 DJ

    Needs more BQ pin-up pics!

    Seriously, the only winnable game I see the rest of the way is KC. Oakland’s offense is kinda sorta coming along, especially with Russell on the bench (imagine that…Gradkowski is an upgrade). Jax (or, The Artists Soon To Be Known As The LA Jaguars) will still be fighting for a playoff spot come Week 17 (Jack Del Rio is doing a heckuva job in a town where no one cares). I think that BQ will come along with playing time (and a decent supporting cast) and become a respectable NFL QB…I just don’t think it’ll happen under Mangini.

  • http://www.60bpm.com Robbie

    After looking at the pictures in this article, I think the key is they didn’t wear those hideous brown pants. Lose those things, for real!

  • http://www.SundayStrategy.com Logan Cash

    I for one hope that BQ is our starting QB next year. By no means do I think he is a sure thing to be our QB of the future, but he is probably the best option we have.

    If we draft another rookie in the 2nd or 3rd round (I can’t even imagine the impact of drafting a QB with the #1 overall pick, so I won’t bring it up) – we’ll be starting back where we always are. I can’t take that any more.

    With BQ, he is essentially closing out his rookie year. He IS showing some progress and may not be so bad after all in the years to come. I hope we give him the shot.

  • bobby

    One thing people can agree on is the fact that Mangini is a clown. I dont really care what he says about the team, because it all means nothing.

    Moving on, I think BQ is showing progress. I think he is doing this with no help from the OC also. There were times Sunday when brady was facing the sideline with a “GIVE ME A FREAKING PLAY” body expression. I dont think Daboll is giving Brady a good chance to succeed, so this is more impressive for me.I certainly think BQ is finally earning his right to be the starter for next year, which is good because I dont want another QB carousel goin on. He has young recievers, and they are slowly starting to get on the same page.

  • Joseph

    Scott,

    LOL that is awesome. Avatar worthy!

  • Ike

    Quinn is definitely showing progress. He never should’ve been benched and needs to go through a full offseason knowning that he will be the man. Enough is enough. The franchise needs to commit to him once and for all. Until then, it’s unfair to expect any kind of success.

  • AND BOOK IT

    No commentary yet on the rumor that Lerner met with Charlie Weiss?

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/ycfbkkj

    I guess that after two iterations, Randy’s finally learned that hiring a HC before the GM is a bad idea… so why not try hiring the coordinators first this time?

    And just out of curiosity–was Isis left behind in the site upgrade? My avatar would be sorely lacking relevance…

  • AND BOOK IT

    Sorry, misspoke… I tend to speed-read/skim, and misread “land in Cleveland” as “landed.” So just a rumor that he’s in play.

  • AND BOOK IT

    2nd correction (operating on fewer than 3hrs sleep here, please bear with me…)

    “There’s also another fairly surprising rumor that Weis met over the weekend with owner Randy Lerner and G.M. trainee Bernie Kosar.”

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com DP

    I hope that he turns out to be the greatest QB in Browns history. If he’s not, then let’s make that decision and start looking for that guy.

    Found him. His name’s Otto Graham.

    Seriously, though, “greatest QB in Browns history” is a tough bar to set for anyone we bring in, as you seem to be suggesting.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    Phred – thanks for shortening the URL – saved me time.

    Weis discussion published at 4:15p.

  • http://thenosebleedsblog.blogspot.com Mevs

    Mangini is a [WFNY Edit:poke from a pin]. That’s all. Can’t wait til he is fired.