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Cavs Salary by the Numbers

January 30, 2010 by 36 Comments
With the recent trade discussions, I thought it would be good to do a quick and dirty rundown of the Cavs’ future payroll information. All this info was found on HoopsHype. The Cavs info goes by decreasing salary this year (and aligns for next year, aside from Jawad Williams’ qualifying offer).
Player: 2009/2010 Salary. 10/11, 11/12, etc. (million dollars, rounded to nearest $100k)
Cavs:
Shaq: 20.0 (not under contract beyond this year)
LBJ: 15.8, 17.1 (player option)
Z: 11.5 (not under contract beyond this year)
Mo: 8.8, 9.3, 8.5, 8.5 (player option)
Andy: 6.3, 7, 7.7, 8.4, 9.1, 9.8
Delonte: 4.2, 4.6
Moon: 2.7, 2.9, 3.2
Parker: 2.6, 2.9
JJ: 1.4, 1.6, 2.4 (team option), 3.4 (qualifying offer)
Powe: 885k, 915k
DJack: 736k, 854k
Jawad: 736k, 1.0 mill (qualifying offer)
Danny Green: no info available
So the Cavs are on the books for 50.3 million in salary next year if you include LeBron’s player option. The salary cap is projected to be between 50.3 and 53.6 million dollars next year [http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4312837]. Though owner Daniel Gilbert doesn’t mind going over the cap, players will need to be obtained via trades this year, as the Cavs will be near the limit prior to signing LeBron (if he re-signs with Cleveland).
Here are salaries of a few of the rumored gentleman that the Cavs have been enquiring about:
Antawn Jamison: 16.2, 17.7, 19.3
Andre Iguodala: 12.2, 12.3, 13.5
Troy Murphy: 11.0 this, 12.0
Chris Paul (just for fun): 13.5, 14.9, 16.4
It’s been widely discussed that the trade deadline is going to be the de facto free agency period for the Cavaliers due to their likely approaching of the salary cap. In terms of contracts, Jamison has the most heavy (and back-weighted), and would put the Cavaliers at the limit before adding anybody in free agency next year.
That being said, I think it’s important to be aware of all of this information going forward, when discussing things. Shaq and Z are NOT under contract for next year. Yes, the Cavs own their rights and could re-sign them. But they are not currently under contract and are not limiting the Cavs financial options going forward. Jamison’s contract is 5 million more than Iguodala and Murphy’s deals for next year.
Those are the numbers. What you choose to do with them is up to you – but now we’re all informed. Rick was told there would be no math :(

Make It RainWith the recent trade discussions, I thought it would be good to do a quick and dirty rundown of the Cavs’ future payroll information. All this info was found on HoopsHype. The Cavs info goes by decreasing salary this year (and aligns for next year, aside from Jawad Williams’ qualifying offer).

Player: 2009/2010 Salary. 10/11, 11/12, etc. (million dollars, rounded to nearest $100k)

Shaq: 20.0 (not under contract beyond this year)

LBJ: 15.8, 17.1 (player option)

Z: 11.5 (not under contract beyond this year)

Mo: 8.8, 9.3, 8.5, 8.5 (player option)

Andy: 6.3, 7, 7.7, 8.4, 9.1, 9.8

Delonte: 4.2, 4.6

Boobie Gibs: 4.1, 4.0, 4.4, 4.9

Moon: 2.7, 2.9, 3.2

Parker: 2.6, 2.9

JJ: 1.4, 1.6, 2.4 (team option), 3.4 (qualifying offer)

Powe: 885k, 915k

DJack: 736k, 854k

Jawad: 736k, 1.0 mill (qualifying offer)

Danny Green: no info available

So the Cavs are on the books for 50.3 million in salary next year if you include LeBron’s player option. The salary cap is projected to be between 50.3 and 53.6 million dollars next year. Though owner Daniel Gilbert doesn’t mind going over the cap, players will need to be obtained via trades this year, as the Cavs will be near the limit prior to signing LeBron (if he re-signs with Cleveland).

Here are salaries of a few of the rumored gentleman that the Cavs have been enquiring about:

Ama’re Stoudemire 16.4, 17.7 (player option)

Andre Iguodala: 12.2, 12.3, 13.5

Antawn Jamison: 11.6, 13.3, 15.0

Troy Murphy: 11.0, 12.0

Chris Paul (just for fun): 13.5, 14.9, 16.4

It’s been widely discussed that the trade deadline is going to be the de facto free agency period for the Cavaliers due to their likely approaching of the salary cap. In terms of contracts, Jamison has the most heavy (and back-weighted), and would put the Cavaliers at the limit before adding anybody in free agency next year.

That being said, I think it’s important to be aware of all of this information going forward, when discussing things. Shaq and Z are NOT under contract for next year. Yes, the Cavs own their rights and could re-sign them. But they are not currently under contract and are not limiting the Cavs financial options going forward. Jamison’s contract is 5 million more than Iguodala and Murphy’s deals for next year.

Those are the numbers. What you choose to do with them is up to you – but now we’re all informed. Rick was told there would be no math :(

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  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    It’s too bad we won’t know what Leon Powe will be able to contribute before the trade deadline. That info would make any decisions much easier. I think he’ll be good to go and will be a big help, but there’s just no way to know.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    Two questions –

    1) Where’s Danny Gibson?

    2) Did Denny write this or is Jacob incognito?

  • MattyFos

    I think our bigs OUR playing really good lately. JJ is crashing the boards, Shaq is getting the ball fed down low, Andy is doing whatever it is he does, and Z is still Z.. We get Powe back. I don’t think we need Jamison.
    Who would lose the minutes for Jamison’s 30? JJ? Would Andy lose minutes for Powe? I don’t think it makes much sense to get Jamison. JJ is playing better than anybody expected.
    I still think Iggy would be the best available trade. It would just make our bench stronger and take pressure off of Lebron. Lebron is doing a lot of work since DWest and Mo went out.

  • Jake

    Agreed.

    Where is Gibson?

    Also, with Lebron’s Bird Rights, can’t Lebron reject the player option, allow the Cavs to take that 17.3 million to use against the cap, then re-sign Lebron to a new contract over the cap, using his Bird rights? I’m not sold on this whole idea about the Cavs not being able to sign free agents.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    Edited, I somehow glossed over Boobie (LOL!!!) – added him in. I WROTE THIS.

    Agree with bittmatt that the Powe return will really make a big difference and it’s hard to determine things before they happen.

    @ Jake – in theory that could happen, but the amount offered to a FA has to keep the team at or below the cap (which may not be a full max deal). I’m not an expert on things but that’s my understanding. [Ne'ermind - Pay attention to Scott, and not me.]

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    “can’t Lebron reject the player option, allow the Cavs to take that 17.3 million to use against the cap, then re-sign Lebron to a new contract over the cap, using his Bird rights?”

    No. LeBron’s dollars stay on our books until he’s no longer “ours.” If he chooses to go elsewhere, then his cap space is free – not before.

  • Jake

    Even with a player option?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    Also, given the contract, LeBron will actually count at 150% of his current salary until signed.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    “Even with a player option?”

    Yes. Because when he opts out, he’s then a free agent. Teams free agents count against their salary cap. It’s called a “cap hold,” and the rule is in place to avoid the situation in question.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    To my knowledge, the only way around this is if the Cavs were to renounce James as their free agent – but then they lose the Bird Rights and can only pay him the max amount that others can as well.

  • Jake

    Geez. I guess you’re right.

    http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Scott

    C’mon now, what do you mean “you guess?” :)

  • Alex

    All of those players listed as trade possibilities have horrible contracts. Murphy making 8 figures, get real. Unless we can get Amare, or CP3 ; i really hope we just keep everything they way it is. None of those players are worth even close to what theyre making.

  • S-Dub

    The Cavs cap space after NEXT season is the reason I don’t want Jamison at all. He would kill our chances at getting any type of good FA and would be 36(?) at that point. If we got Iggy obviously he’s a young guy that would still be helping out, Murphy expires. That is definitely something Ferry and Gilbert and Bron are thinking about.

    If LBJ leaves, then we could throw a max at any player we wanted.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    @ S-dub – Jamison will be 34 next season. He currently is 33. Based on past precedence, he should be 34 next year.

  • http://www.twitter.com/azv321 Amin

    I remember hearing when Boobie, Delonte, and Andy were all resigned that a significant portion of their 2010 and 2011 salaries are unguaranteed. Some of it may be incentive based, but not all of it. That makes us a lot more flexible.

    And I thought we only had Moon for 2 years. I thought that was one of the stipulations of the offer sheet, when we snagged him from the Heat.

  • S-Dub

    I meant by the end of his contract, so it looks like he’ll be 35, and I don’t know about anyone else but 35 yr old PF’s don’t generally carry the load for their teams. Even if they’re only the 2nd or 3rd option.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    @ S dub – yup. But, as I’ve said before he in theory would be a great expiring contract and trade bait. Obviously that’s not why they’d make a move for him, but there is that sort of potential there, were he to suddenly stop producing.

  • Jake In Ohio City (Natty The Dog)

    Like I have been saying for months. When your team goal is to bring in younger talent through trades, you don’t trade a 21 year old PF for a 33 year old PF along with your only expiring contract. Makes no sense. You all keep talking about Jamison, but he makes no sense for this team. On the court, he’d be great for the next 3 months of the season, but after that period, how do we get younger and longer term at that position?

    That is the sole reason Ferry has only offered Jamison / Z straight up. He knows better. Don’t even think about Murphy, that would be franchise suicide.

    Amare or Iggy or nothing.

  • Boney

    Honestly, if you’re going to acquire a “stretch” 4, Troy Murphy would be the way to go. He’s 6’11, he can rebound and his post defense is on par with Jamison.

    Jamison is not a good fit for the team, and the future because he will be 35 the final year of his deal and… you can’t always count on being bailed out with a trade…

    Acquiring Amar’e will give you the same problem that Phoenix had… Shaq needs a “stretch” 4, otherwise the middle will be bogged down even more than it already is.

  • Alex

    Amare, Iggy, or NOBODY. I think LBJ, Amare, and Shaq could beat teams like the nets and pacers 3 vs 5…

  • mike

    the cap hold explanation is correct. this works for and against the cavs. it works for the cavs because a team like the knicks would have to give up their rights in all their good expiring contracts, especially david lee, in order to fit lebron in.

  • dlouis

    This doesn’t look good for the Cavs. They are on the hook for 37m next season and all we have are mediocre role players. Mo is not an all-star, and he never should have been. Varejao isn’t bad, but not worth nearly as much as what Ferry paid him, and unlike Shaq, I would not be happy with the second coming of Cedric Ceballos at PF. We all know LeBron is the best player in the league, and this team will go only as far as the supporting cast can take them (see Orlando ’09.) Ferry should trade Mo for Kevin Martin and let LeBron play PG. He already has better vision than Mo, this would be a matchup nightmare for opponents, and don’t you think LeBron would be a stronger and faster version of Magic?

    Look at it this way. Besides SF, the Bulls and Clippers are better at every position than the Cavs, and have just as much, if not more money to spend on bringing in other FAs. I’m not saying LeBron would want to leave, but could you blame him if he can start a new dynasty in Chicago or create a new image for the Clippers or Knicks?

  • smrtazz

    don’t feed the troll

  • Alex

    haha, ironic post #23 [Edit: redacted]

    [WFNY note: Read the 'before you comment' page, pls.]

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    Alright, so after considering most of what has been put forth in the above posts, and there have been many good points made, I guess it comes down to two alternate scenarios that may or may not be mutually exclusive.

    Are the Cavs all in for the ‘chip this year knowing this may be the last, best shot at it?

    Or, are we trying to not rock the boat in this season (a boat which is sailing just fine) while building toward a future that may or may not feature LeBron James?

    With these questions in mind- which way do you think Danny Ferry is leaning? Since the Cavs seem to be on a finals-bound path already, I’d guess the latter; which might mean he is thinking in terms that we are not even really considering. He may be weighing moves that won’t necessarily help the team much at all this season. Youth? Jamison & Murphy do not fit into this scenario at all, while Amare maybe does (not an Amare fan myself). A month or two ago Anthony Randolph had been mentioned as a potential trade subject, but then he got hurt and people seemed to write him off as a possibility since he can’t help the Cavs this year. But what if Ferry is thinking next year and after? Igoudala certainly brings some youth to the mix, although not in a position of need currently. Are there other young players we haven’t discussed out there that anyone has opinions on?

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    ^^bitmatt after last year when Ferry failed to make a move to address the obvious need of an inside presence and based on the fact that he gave Varejao the contract he did along with signing Moon, Parker and Powe I gotta believe now is the time, there is no tomorrow. Add in the fact that you don’t know if LeBron James will resign and that Z is probably in his last year and there is as good a chance Shaq isn’t resigned as he is I say now is the year and Ferry needs to go out and get Jamison.

  • NJ Buck

    The numbers that you listed for Jamison are actually those for Gilbert Arenas. Jamison’s numbers are 11.6, 13.4 and 15.1.

  • http://gravatar.com PayDaMan

    The problem is really from when we couldn’t seal the deal with Warrick or Frye. I think we should trade for Warrick. Small contract and wouldnt be giving up anything near what you would for Antwan or AI2.

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    Just thinking- I do not necessarily endorse this, but Gilbert Arenas? In theory, will be back next year looking to prove himself, straightened out and flying right. A proven clutch performer who will be another year removed (and therefore another year healed) from knee problems. Obviously has a crazy expensive contract that limits future flexibility, and Arenas’ ego may not allow him to coexist with LBJ. However, there are positives to a potential Gil acquisition, not the least of which being the Wiz would probably trade him for Z’s deal plus Wally (if he’ll cooperate) and then buy out Z with no questions asked. Crazy, right? But Gil will be on somebody’s NBA roster next season, this much we know.

    Nah.

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    @PayDaMan- would love Warrick. I wonder what it would take to get him? You’d have to assume the Bucks want to unload a bad contract too if they do that. Like Charlie Bell. Yuck.

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    Heck, the Bucks might make us take Redd, who will never play again probably. Doubt that would work, even though he’s an expiring deal next year. I’m not certain how much value an expiring deal will have next year since there may be a lockout situation the following season, so there may be very little possible trade benefit in Redd for us in 2011.

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    Of course, the Bucks gave us Mo Williams for Damon Jones, so I suppose anything is possible.

  • http://bitmatt.com bitmatt

    NJ Buck is correct- you’ve got Gil’s huge salary figures listed for Jamison. And when you look at those, my post at #30 is extra hilarious. Worst contract in the league.

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  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    My bad on the Jamison #s guys – they’re updated.

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    How about these #s from Mr. Jamison last night in a win for the Wizards over the Knicks: 45 min (not bad for an old man huh?), 10-26, 1-3 3 pt, 23 REB, 21 PTS, 3 AST, 2 TO, 4 Fouls? It’d take both Hickson and Varejao combined and even then I don’t think they’d put up those numbers!