Now Is The Time To Pull The Trigger For Jamison

Brendan Haywood vs. Orlando in 07-08 4 games

Min:32
5-9 PTS:10
FT:0-2
STL:1
Blocks:5
TO:1
PF:5
REB:16

Min:19
0-2 PTS:0
Block:1
TO:1
PF:4
REB:2
AST:1

Min:33
4-9 PTS: 10
FT:2-2
BLK:2
TO:1
PF: 4
REB:11
AST: 1

Min:9
3-5 Pts: 6
PF: 1
REB:4

Missed 08-09 with wrist injury.

Would I take him or Shaq vs. Orlando? In the playoffs, I’m thinking haywood will have more left in the tank.

I say,

Shaq and Z to Wash

For

Haywood, Jamison, and Butler

Then we can bring back Z.

Ya I know, dreams. Haywood’s got one year left so Wash probably wouldn’t do it.

@Historycat

Dwight Howard in those same four games:

Mins: 37
Pts: 17
Rebs: 15
Blocks: 3
Steals: 0
PF: 4

Mins: 31
Pts: 20
Rebs: 11
Blocks: 0
Steals: 2
PF: 2

Mins: 31
Pts: 3
Rebs: 15
Blocks: 1
Steals: 0
PF: 5

Mins: 12
Pts: 6
Rebs: 4
Blocks: 0
Steals: 0
PF: 1

Note that the last game was the final game of the season and Howard hardly played.

Now note Howard’s numbers when the Magic played Cleveland this year:

Mins: 31
Pts: 11
Rebs: 7
Blocks: 1
Steals: 1
PF: 5

Shaq handles Howard far better than Haywood does.

Ya I did notice that.

Shaq Vs. Orlando

Min:20
4-8 Pts: 10
STL:0
BlockS:2
TO:2
PF:5
REB:5
AST:1

I agree, Shaq was good in that one game for us which is exactly the reason we brought him in. Plus lots of intangibles, I agree.

But wait, there’s more:

1. Who’s going to have more left come playoff time? Shaq looks pretty tired in December. Haywood’s only 30

2. Is he the only one who can play against Howard? stats say no.

3. Haywood: 6 million Shaq: 21 Million, both expiring contracts.

EZ: the 1st and 3rd games are below Howard’s average for that year. So Haywood does have some effect according to the evidence, plus he was with Washington (we’re better all around) Logic says he would still help against Howard, perhaps even more with us than with Washington.

4. Haywood avg this year Pts9-Reb10-Ast2 Shaq 10-7-1

I’m not saying we need to trade shaq, but if we can get haywood and Jamison for shaq, I think we’ll be better off come playoff time.

Younger, fresher, and still be ok against Orlando. for less money$ That’s long term going to keep Lebron here. (Or at least another reason)

Win here! Win Now! Win Forever!

Win Zilla.

That brings me to my new name for the Lebron – Shaq duo:

King & Kong

1. The Cavs have repeatedly said they will not trade Z unless the other team buys him out…if the Wiz will do that, he should by all means be included, but whether they would buy him out is not known.
2. Echoing the comments of others: Troy Murphy is an extremely limited player whose stats have been inflated by playing on teams (GSW, IND) with extremely fast paces who don’t win, allowing him to simply gun without much conscience and get lots of rebounds deriving from the fast pace. He is a terrible defender, has no low post game, and cannot get his own shot. All statistics back up these previous claims. At this point, he is a slightly younger, slightly better version of Z. We should not get him.
3. I have said in the past that I would take Randolph over any of the other “available” PFs. But with ownership in GS in turmoil, no one in the league really knows what is going on over there. At this point I am considering Randolph to not be available, since no one is talking about GS being sellers at this point, but I could be wrong.
4. Jamison, to me, is a logical goal. To get him we will need to offer both “talent” (JJ and a first rounder) and cap flexibility (Z or Wally). Again, Shaq is extremely valuable to this team against the other good teams in the league, Cavs’ brass have said we do not want to trade away Z or Shaq, etc. Jamison would be worth getting if we didn’t have to give up Shaq. Echoing others again, the difference between Murphy and Jamison (besides the obvious numbers) is that Murphy is a very limited spot up shooter that floats around the perimeter and who needs a fast pace to get his numbers, while Jamison can score from anywhere and can get his own shot (an ability which only LBJ, Mo, and Delonte have on this team). We have plenty of spot up shooters (Boobie, Parker, Mo at times, Z, even Jamario at times); we need someone who can create his own shot. Hickson COULD be good in a few years, but we need to win now. Hickson and a first + Wally or Z (assuming Z is bought out and can return, trading Z flat out would be despicable and we have said we won’t do that) for Jamison and Blatche (a solid and very athletic low post player).

i could totally see the wiz making some trade involving Z with the “agreement” to buy him out, only to then not do it to make up for trading with their “rivals.”

Is Arenas now “Agent 00″?

the Wally issue is dicey…he would need to pass a physical…not much has been said on the issue lately, and I don’t know if anyone has talked to Wally himself about the issue: would he swallow his pride and allow himself to be traded purely for cap relief?

Ol Gil just got suspended indefinitely. Come on Wizards fire sale.

People who want to trade Shaq = myopic and irritating

People comparing Murphy’s game to Jamison’s = baffling

What about the blowouts IN Orlando and IN Los Angeles did we not like? What part about Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum/Gasol being non-factors was distasteful or left you so malcontent?

Thankfully, Ferry will never, ever, ever, never, ever, never trade Shaq. Get over it.

@JJ From AK – Everyone needs to realize the hard facts that even if we were to renounce the rights to Z and Shaq, we’d be something like $1 million under the cap. Yes, that’s right. We are still sitting at the cap after dumping those two contracts. We will not be able to sign any free agents next year unless they A) already played for us B) Will take the MLE or C) will work for free chips at Gilbert’s new casino.

THE ONLY WAY TO GET BETTER FOR THE FUTURE IS TO MAKE A TRADE WITH THE EXPIRING CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE NOW.

And I think we will.

Essentially, this trade deadline IS our offseason: i.e., this is our time to add on talent. Trading for Jamison would be like adding him on as an FA, essentially

“If we include Shaq in this trade we are back to having no answer for Howard and Gasol; the Magic and the Lakers being the two teams we’ll likely have to go through to get to a championship. We also lose our biggest interior defensive presence.”

Bingo EZ.

@ MP34,

I really don’t think Shaq is the ONLY answer to Howard. We were hoping that Shaq would have one more season in him. I think he’s strong in some games but definitely looks tired in others.

Let’s at least look at what’s out there and if we can get 3 to 1 for Shaq I’d like to think Ferry would consider it.

Cavs are not trading Shaq. Its really silly to even talk about it at this point. He helped dominate the Magic and Lakers, and the Cavs are going to get rid of him? Stop.

I wonder what the Wiz would want for him. Z is obvious, but I’m guessing Cavs would want to guarantee the Wiz buy him out before dealing him. So that could be a problem. Also, I find it hard to believe they’re that interested in Hickson, who has shown he’s not going to be anything special (not a certainty, but as close as one can get to certainty).

Jamison would be great here though, no doubt about it.

In so many of these trade scenarios, people keep mentioning throwing in J.J. Hickson as an afterthought. Hey, the guy has great upside and he’s only 21. I’d rather sweeten the deal with a draft choice.

I think this is a great opportunity to go after Bosh. A 3 way trade would work sending Jamison and Blatche to Toronto, Bosh to the Cavs, and Big Z and Hickson to the Wizards. Yes, the Cavs stand the chance of losing Bosh to free agency but they could win a title. and that goes a long way in getting players to stick around….