May 25, 2013

How Active Should Browns Be in Free Agency?

Mike Holmgren Press ConferenceDepending on your perspective it either seems the Browns have been really active this off-season or not active enough. They have signed two players from outside the organization with Tony Pashos and Scott Fujita. They have made a deal with one of their own in Josh Cribbs. They have traded a second day pick from next year’s draft to bring in presumed backup or stop gap with Seneca Wallace. Now yesterday, they (finally) cut Derek Anderson. But how active should the Browns be in free agency?

I know a lot of us were dreaming about not only bringing back Jerome Harrison, but also signing someone like Thomas Jones to run the ball too. Jones is now gone to Kansas City without so much as a hint of a visit to Cleveland. It was a trade, not free agency, but Anquan Boldin has joined the Ravens to go along with their signing of Donte Stallworth. They could also potentially bring back an aging Mason to round out a receiving corps with a lot of potential compared to what the Browns have. The Steelers went out and re-signed their safety Ryan Clark while also welcoming Antwaan Randle-El back from Washington to play receiver. Then you consider that the Bengals are hosting Terrell Owens, amongst others. Through that looking glass, it would appear that the Browns are incredibly behind in the process.

It makes me wonder though. The Browns are trying to build a concept. They haven’t been anywhere near as close to success as the rest of the teams in the AFC North in recent history. Because the Browns are in a different stage of development, maybe it doesn’t make sense to go out and grab all the veterans all over the field like the rest of the teams in the division.  The adage is that you build your teams through the draft and pick your spots in free agency. While patience is a tough thing to preach, and an even tougher thing to live by, maybe that is exactly what the Browns need to do. This isn’t fantasy football where the Browns can just go out and fill the roster with names we all know and all of a sudden be successful. How well did it work out for Buffalo and Terrell Owens last season?

Obviously we don’t know all of Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert’s plans for the rest of free agency, but I expect a lot more of the same. I expect them to pick their spots at positions of need where they won’t have to pay an exorbitant amount of money for the signing. By this I mean that I think the Browns could potentially find more good character players like Scott Fujita is reported as being. Even if they sign four more veteran type players, unless the quarterback of the future reveals himself, I don’t expect Heckert and Holmgren to go out and get guys who could potentially change the culture of the team for the worse because they have a ton of talent. I am guessing they are intent on continuing to develop the culture this year, and build the base of the team up. Once that is established and ingrained we will have more exciting off-seasons with regard to free agency and some of the more marginal characters that possess giant amounts of talent.

(Photo Joshua Gunter/Cleveland Plain Dealer)

  • MattyFos

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  • The Other Tim

    Thread jack:

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    Look for him in the diner.

  • MattyFos

    activIA
    I think we can address Safety in free agency. You have Sharper, who has proven he can still play all pro caliber ball, and also Antrel Rolle. Both of these guys would be a great addition. They both have Superbowl experience too.
    I’d like to see if we could pull off a sign and trade with the Broncos for Brandon Marshall. I know not a ‘Mangini guy’. But, I still want Edwards and Kellen rocking the Orange and Brown on Sundays.. That’ll show you how much I care about character when it comes to skillz (with a z b/c they’re all that). Maybe have Denver sign Marshall then we swap our firsts and sweeten the pot with a second rounder. Then we cross our fingers and pray that Haden will still be on the board at 10th or 11th.. I forget which side of the coin fell for the leBRONcos

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com DP

    I would like for the Browns, for once, to realize that Rome wasn’t built in a day. Stop trying to: a) sign EVERYONE to huge contracts in an effort to “win now”, and b) bring everyone in from your former team in an effort to do I-don’t-know-what.

    Draft, draft, draft. It’s why teams like the Pats, Eagles, Ravens, and Steelers never have down years: they DRAFT WELL. Not sarcastic.

  • Kunal

    @3, antrel rolle has already been signed by the giants

  • MattyFos

    DP- there are some areas that need to be addressed now. My Marshall idea was a horrible idea, I know. But I just get so frustrated looking down our receiver corp. It’s rather embarrassing.

  • MattyFos

    Whoa, where was I? I suck. Can we get Kenny Phillips then? I like my Hurricanes. lol

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com DP

    I understand your point, Matty. I just don’t think it’s worth having Marshall–a potential mal-content who will almost always need something (be it money, more touches, you name it)–and having to placate him when there are so many other holes on the team.

    I look at Arizona. It took a bunch of drafts to get it together, and there were like four years where everyone said, “This is the year they’re finally good!” and then all of a sudden they were in the Super Bowl. By my recollection they didn’t do a lot of FA splurging, and Whisenhut (sp?) didn’t bring in a bunch of Steelers cast-offs to get it done.

  • jimkanicki

    I really like the two FAs they picked up — Fujita and Pashos. And I’m ok with Wallace as a backup… hell Holmgren knows this guy real well, I’ll trust that he knows what he’s purchasing.

    All are solid guys who address huge holes. That’s more than the Bengals have done (zero), or Steelers (one re-sign), or Ravens (one splashy re-sign).

    What’s the problem?

  • MattyFos

    Well without Kurt Warner those teams may not have even sniffed the playoffs.

    DP- Receivers are prima donnas… It’s a fact of life. If they’re good, they know they’re good and they act like they know their good. Especially nowadays where receivers get overlooked in favor of QBs. When’s the last time a receiver won the MVP? Ever? Why didn’t Andre Johnson win the MVP this year? Receivers demand attention and act out to get it… b/c let’s face they’re not going to get the attention if they don’t. Again, Andre Johnson.

  • Josh

    I am happy with the methodical approach they’re taking. I lived in Philly when Reid took over, and he built the team he wanted – even if it took a few more years of losing.

    Only exception to this is i wish they had pursued Boldin…giving up a 3rd and 4th round pick to get a top 15/20 WR would have been a steal…and he’s young enough to still be good when the rest of the team catches up…

    but perhaps he didn’t want to come to Cleveland?

  • MP34

    @MattFos,

    Off the top of my head: Larry Fitzgerald, Calvin Johnson, Wes Welker, and I’ll even throw in Randy Moss. All WR’s aren’t prima donnas. You only remember the Ochocinco’s, Plaxico’s and Braylon’s b/c well, they act out.

  • MattyFos

    Fitz is best know b/c of the story about his mom and his dreads. He played extremely well in the 08 season playoffs. But he is a really good kid too. Raised well and was ignored, for the most part, until his breakout playoff campaign.
    Calvin Johnson’s name isn’t thrown around as the best receiver in the league and neither is Wes Welker’s. Welker gets love for obvious reasons (pigmentation) and Johnson is out in hiding in Detroit.
    Randy? Please he’s been a dive since he came into the league. He used to call himself “The Freak”. If he wasn’t playing under Belichick he would still be a headcase. Did you forget him walking off the field during a game?
    I respect all of those guys talent. But ESPN doesn’t talk about their talent b/c these guys (Randy included as of lately) aren’t making headlines b/c of quotes and antics.
    T.O.
    Ocho
    Marshall
    Boldin got traded (You have to break stories occasionally)
    T.O. + Ocho
    Carson on T.O.+Ocho which equals 10 if you were curios
    Marshal still a RFA
    T.O. hasn’t met with the Bengals brass yet, b/c they’re meeting with Bryant… But he ill eventually.

    That is your average NFL football talk on ESPN

  • todd

    this is a rebuilding year.. if we bring in anyone like marshall they will self-destruct before the end of the season. a guaranteed bad idea.

  • MP34

    Matty, you are right, that is your average NFL talk on ESPN. I must have misunderstood your original point. I simply wanted to show that there are quality receivers that aren’t running around with their pants on the ground.

  • MattyFos

    Marshall responded well to McDaniels tough love. Then he got injured and McDaniels didn’t play him. ESPN trying to spark controversy threw out stories about McDaniels benching Marshall which wasn’t the case at all. Self destruct, may be a little harsh wording…. I was thinking would help out a mid round talented/ ridiculously inexperienced receiving corp immensely.

  • MattyFos

    MP34- Yeah all I was stating was receivers are diva’s. And if they aren’t it doesn’t mean they’re not good. It just means they won’t get the recognition they deserve. So receivers act out and put on these persona’s to get love for their craft.

  • mgbode

    I wanted Burleson, Boldin and/or Clark. All 3 are signed/traded elsewhere now.

    But, can’t really complain as Fujita and Pashos both seem like solid additions (if Pashos is healthy after his shoulder injury).

    I just have always felt you can get a little better players from the non-QB glamour positions in FA (WR, RB, CB, S) than the grunts (OL, DL). Good teams don’t let good grunts get free.

  • Ike

    I’m fine with what we’re doing; improving the 53-man roster while being financially responsible. Pashos should be at least as good as St. Clair and Fujita is a solid signing as well (rated one of the 5 best thus far by ESPN). And though some are skeptical of the Wallace trade, there’s no doubt in my mind he’ll provide more stability at QB than Quinn or Anderson ever could. Thus, signing Wallace has to be considered an improvement as well.

    All I care is that they make the overall team better. I personally think they’re already doing just that.

  • JK

    OCNN is reporting Antonio Bryan signs with the Bengals for 4 years so… theres that.

  • S-Dub

    I would have really liked to see them add some depth along the defensive line, even if it wasn’t Peppers, etc. I just wanted guys who can play the 3-4 well. I also wanted to see them go get a good safety like Antrelle Rolle, Ryan Clark, or Marlin Jackson. I still would like to see Darren Sharper. So far I like the moves they made, it’ll depend on who they bring back that are our restricted FA’s. I’m glad they’re not giving mass amounts of money to guys though.

  • S-Dub

    Ben Watson could be a nice pick up for us, I think he has some talent and we really need a TE, although I want Tony Moeaki in the draft. Marshall Yanda is a guy who could possibly be a good guard for us. Adewale Ogunleye is a guy who can play 3-4 end effectively, he was effective last year until he sat out last year for the last 2 games. Ken Lucas can still play pretty good CB and he is definitely better than B-Mac.

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    The Browns should have traded for Kerry Rhodes of the Jets an ex-Mangini disciple. Put him back there with hopefully an Eric Berry and suddenly you go from no safeties to a pair of the best. ESPN reported last week or so that there are as many as 28 draftable cornerbacks in the upcoming draft so there would still be plenty of chances to further redo the Browns terrible secondary.

    As far as free agency goes Lerner’s wallet should be abused as much as possible especially when it comes to proven talent on offense.

  • S-Dub

    I think Laverneous Coles and TO can help with the WR’s, but I’m not sure what Coles thought of Mangini and most people don’t like TO, but I feel he is a good WR and was pretty docile in Buffalo last year.

    @Boogey: I also wanted to know why the Browns weren’t in on Rhodes. I felt like he would’ve been an instant and major upgrade at the S spot. I think maybe him and Mangini didn’t get along real well, so that may have played a role.

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    @S-Dub no idea on Rhodes I also wondered about Darren Sharper with his Packers connection to Holmgren. I also like Dunta Robinson as a free agent but he’s gone too.

  • S-Dub

    I felt that Dunta was vastly overrated. He has injury problems and really hasn’t been a great corner since his rookie year. I feel we can get better CB’s in the draft.

  • stin4u

    Delhomme visiting this week…..please god no

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    @27 If I was Delhomme I’d wanna go to New Orleans, perfect situation.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udne9JTds5A TS T 2B Cavs Dude

    I just looked at Quinns stats, yeah, he sucks. The Browns should be banned from picking up any quote unquote “high-profile” QB’s in the draft, and from picking up washed-up guys including Delhomme.

    The Browns should just make a move for Troy Smith while they have the chance and our offense will be ready for a Super Bowl this season!

  • http://www.msblsim.com boogeyman

    ^^^and yet no one says anything to you or about you here. Oh the irony!!!

  • bobby

    I was expecting them to not do a lot this free agency since we have 11 picks. I would like to see Watson get signed so we can cut royal. Other then that I would like to see this team get younger overall. have the draft picks as depth and start trimming these guys that are mid 30s or older.