June 19, 2013

Should Cavs retire LeBron’s number?

SportsbyBrooks posted a poll on Wednesday asking the question:Should the Cavaliers retire LeBron James’ number 23 in the future?  There were 3,964 yes votes, as compared to 6,910 no votes when I first checked this morning.  I then proceeded to make it 6,911. 

I am fully aware that the wounds from ‘the decision’ are still fresh, and that time is the perpetual healer of wounds like these, however I just don’t see it.  There is really no situation that I can ever envision where I could see myself one day saying – as a Cleveland Cavaliers fan - alright, I understand what he did, it’s okay now, go ahead and hoist it right up there right next to Price and AC. 

In the post, Brooks goes on to make the counter-argument to this - that I think will become the consensus amongst all non-Cleveland sports fans as the years go by - when he offered the following:

“Were the Cavs better off never having James? Is it appropriate to gauge his contribution to the city based on a month’s worth of profound bad judgement?  Do Clevelanders really want to throw away memories of the good times James provided them by burying the number of the club’s greatest player? The call is really not about James, it’s about recognizing an era of Cleveland basketball history. To disown it would be to also disregard the people who supported the team then and now.”

I respect this arguement, and I understand where he’s coming from with it, but it wasn’t just a month’s worth of bad judgment.  He disrespected Cleveland unlike any sports player whoever put on a uniform in the way that he left, and to think that this plan was in progress since the ’08 Olympics is mind numbing. 

In a piece last night, Bill Livingston offered the following on the subject:

“The number 23 will never hang in the rafters on Gilbert’s watch. It is entirely appropriate that it never hangs there at all…James would have been excused his defection on the grounds of his body of work had he left in a less mean-spirited way. He was the most visible symbol of the Cavaliers and nearly of the entire NBA for seven years. It took a lot to turn such gold into lead, but he managed it.  James ran away from his struggles. We may never know all the reasons why he quit in Game 5 against the Celtics, but he was such a megalomaniac it could hardly have been a crisis of confidence, as with Mesa.”

It’s that point that Livingston makes about Game 5 that particularly makes the ’08 talks between Bosh, Wade, and James so perplexing.  Why did he quit in that moment, in that game?  We’ll never really know I guess, but we also will never forget that he did quit.  We’ll also never forget the way in which he left either, and unfortunately, it will never inspire a positive feeling in this town to look up and see his name and number hanging from the Quicken Loans Arena ceiling.

All is not lost for James though.  He can have his number six retired in Miami, and go into the HOF as a member of the Heat.

  • http://shakesthesnowglobe.blogspot.com EZ

    I think the sentiment that they shouldn’t retire his number strictly because he never won a title isn’t really valid. If that was the case the Cavs wouldn’t retire anybody’s number.

    I do, however, think that he erased any chance of getting that honor by the way he left. For people writing “you can’t just forget the last seven years” I’d say you can’t remember the last seven years without remembering how they ended.

  • Jason

    I’m not sure why retiring James’ number is even being discussed. This seems like something that should be discussed after he retires, or at least gets close to retirement. That being said, at this point, I would have to say no, just as I don’t think Orlando should retire Shaq’s number. No matter how great a player is, I think retiring numbers should be reserved for “franchise players”. By leaving, Lebron has decided not to be a franchise player for the Cavaliers. I would feel the same way regardless of what team a player plays for. If a player leaves during or before their prime through free agency, they give up the priviledge of having their number retired by the team they left. Simple as that.

    That’s based on where things stand at this point. If, in a couple years, things don’t work out in Miami, and he demands a trade which somehow lands him back in Cleveland, and he then plays his heart out for several years in pursuit of a championship, this could change. But that’s a highly unlikely prospect. Also, if he wins several championships with the Heat and they retire his number, it will look pretty pathetic for Cleveland to retire it as well.

  • toby

    Im gonnna be a LeBron fan no matter waht and he is the greatest to ever play for the cavs and it will get retired when he is finished playing bball in mia so imm just sad i won;’t see him play here anymore but thats life…..

  • Scott Millhorn

    I think most people on here have it all wrong. We SHOULD retire LeBron’s number and hang his jersey in the rafters. This should be done during the first home game vs. the Heat so LeBron can be here to enjoy the moment. Cavs fans can rejoice as the scoreboard shoots flames and “accidentally” lights LeBron’s jersey on fire, burning it to ashes!!!

  • http://www.keepbronbron.com Matthew

    I’m in an interesting mindset right now with Lebron. Almost delusional and can’t believe it’s actually a reality and he’ll never wear #23 cavs again. I’m starting to say, I like the old LBJ. I’m also saying R.I.P. Lebron James 12/30/84 – 7/8/10. Because honestly a big piece of him and a little one of me died that day. To this article’s point, we can’t discount the past 7 years and what he did for the franchise. I don’t like the fact, that his big jerk move has caused the city to write him off FOREVER. Yes be mad! Unclassfully (sp) burn his stuff (your clothes), and yes stick your middle finger up to him for what he did. But we need to get over it, realize this is just sports, and be thankful for the 7 years he gave us. I was born and raised in Cleveland, moved south two when I was in my early 20s, and haven’t been in the midset the past 7 years the current city residents are in. However, I can’t write the man off forever because I like watching him play ball. It’s just going to suck to watch him in a different jersey. I think we should “have regard for human life” and raise his jersey in the rafters one day. Hell, he owns all the record books in Cleveland and does have the same number of championships as my favorite old school Cavs, Mark Price. No knock on Price, I wear #25 because of him. Keep the faith.

  • Justin

    I think the Cavs should retire the number 23 jersey but not with James’ name on it and not hanging from the rafters. Bury it forever, never to be worn by another Cavs player again!
    Allow LBJ just to be a foot note in the Cavs record books and not honored as a true Cavalier.

  • St. McDuck

    Let the Cavs waterboy wear #23 from now on. Or the guy who cleans the restrooms at The Q. It’ll be put to better use that way.

  • mgbode

    Why would the waterboy or janitor be disrespected like that?

    Those are hard-working, barely appreciated souls without whom the NBA experience would not be nearly as nice.