April 24, 2014

While We’re Waiting… NBA Rumors, Bosh Analysis, and Media Shifting

While We’re Waiting serves as the early morning gathering of WFNY-esque information for your viewing pleasure. Have something you think we should see? Send it to our tips email at tips@waitingfornextyear.com

“Here’s the thing with LeBron, Wade or Bosh rumors right now. Good sources are differing on virtually everything you hear. One trusted source will say one thing. Another source will contradict it. Sometimes same source will contradict in the same day. So it’s tough. Here’s what I think we know. LeBron and Bosh would like to play together. Wade and Bosh would like to play together. LeBron, ideally would prefer to head back to Cleveland if they can put a winner on the floor. Adding Bosh would be a big step in the right direction. Bosh, however, prefers to land in either Miami, Chicago or NJ. Wade looks like he’s down to either Miami or Chicago. What no one can agree on is this: Do Wade and LBJ want to play together? I’ve heard credible sources contradict each other on this. I don’t know. If all three want to play together … Miami is the only place where that can realistically happen without the players taking massive paycuts.” [Chad Ford]

“I’m not saying that Bosh isn’t a great player. He’s an absolute force offensively. He can score efficiently from multiple spots on the floor. He can play pick-and-roll or pick-and-pop. He’s a quality rebounder. I even think he can become a plus defender if he has the right center behind him, like Rashard Lewis did when he came to the Magic. He’s a fantastic player, and the best thing about him is that he’d only be more effective on a good team.

However, it may behoove us to take a look at Bosh’s NBA career to date. He was drafted in 2003, just like LeBron was. He has won a total of three playoff games in seven seasons. He has not played a playoff game since 2008. He has been named to the All-NBA second team once. He has fewer player of the month awards than LeBron has MVPs. He was the starting power forward for the worst defensive team in basketball last season.” [Cavs the Blog]

Apparently, Ohio State is to blame for the George Bush election in 2004. ['64 and Counting]

“Before I get to the Chris Bosh reports that everybody knows about by now, I gotta just say that I think Chris Bosh is the most over-rated player in all of basketball.  Look he’s good, I get it, a 20-10 guy to be sure, but how much of a “superstar” could the guy really be if he couldn’t manage to get his team into the playoffs – in the Eastern Conference of all places – in either of the last two seasons.  The Milwaukee Bucks were in the playoffs this past season.  The Detroit Pistons were in the playoffs two years ago.  Wade had less around him in Miami than Bosh did in Toronto and he led the Heat to a 5-seed.  In the last two seasons Bosh’s Raptors have a combined record of 73-91, and in his time as a Raptor he lead his organization to 3 playoff wins – total – never getting out of the first round.” [Stepien Rules]

And finally…. “The media no longer has any of the power. Instead of beating national and fellow beat writers to the news, they’re trying to get to it before the players involved announce it. Posses and camps and that one cousin with the lazy eye who needed to work for his night club loan are shaping how the information, business model and player image is being distributed. Agents have no power. Reporters have no true leads. And front offices are left wondering if the research firm they hired put together a good enough presentation and if the Photoshop’d photo of the free agent in their jersey was sharp enough.” [Hardwood Paroxysm]

  • Stinkfist

    Unless LeBron’s decision was to return from the start, I dont see how Bosh and Wade going to the Heat helps our case. Granted, their role players are all literally question marks, but that just creates one more team to have to beat every year out of the East. Its not a surprise this happened, but I still don’t think it helps

    Am I watching too much ESPN?

  • stin4u

    Like I just posted in the other thread…I think people are overstating what Bosh will do for the Heat. They’re going to be a very good team but I’d like to see them in action before I call them dominant. Remember when ‘twan was a 20-10 guy in Washington in a zero pressure situation on a bad team…then came here and hit a rut with expectations thrust upon him? You can’t really tell with these guys.

  • Harv 21

    It’s …. Silly Season!

  • 216in614

    so lets say next year is wash if bron resigns because we cant improve next year. what does 2012 look like? Can we sign CP3?

  • 216in614

    basically what are the cavs 2+ years room for improvement because thats what lerbon should make his decision. not just a knee-jerk reaction to whats happening this summer.

  • Matt#2

    Boozer?
    Boozer?
    Anyone?
    Boozer?

  • Roosevelt

    If there’s one consolation, it’s that if Lebron goes anywhere but the Bulls, there will be no new juggernaut. Who’s afraid of Lebron and Amare in NY? How bout Wade and Bosh in Miami? What would Miami have been last year with Bosh, a four seed instead of a five?

    On the downside, what is there to keep Lebron in Cleveland? The “less money than Joe Johnson” argument is less convincing if Wade and Bosh both did it. The Cavaliers adding another role player, Brendan Haywood or Mike Miller, would just be running in place. Obviously I don’t want Boozer. Al Jefferson? Nene? Hmmm. Chris Grant has a pretty tall task ahead of him.

  • ben

    I got no beef w/ boozer anymore. If it keeps LeBron here, why not. Boozer’s getting up there in years, and I’m thinking he wants championships & money more than he wants to be the alpha dog & money.

    RE: Bosh

    He’s getting overpaid just like Amar’e and Joe Johnson. But it doesn’t make it a bad signing. I can’t remember who said it, but GM’s are hired to acquire target players, not to find the best bargain.

  • Eric

    @2 No matter how dominate the Heat are or are not with Bosh(if the Heat get him), one things for sure, they’ll be better the Cavs.

  • Harv 21

    Let’s all breathe a little.

    1) Players in their prime follow the $. They don’t push money away in their prime earning years. Still holds true as of this a.m. LeBron does not operate in an alternative reality. Maybe he has the biggest Q factor, but he also appears to support the biggest entourage since Ali.

    2) Amar’e is not particularly interested in defense, D’Antoni isn’t either. Even with LeBron, that team would get perenially bounced by the strong defensive team du jour. Sharing the spotlight in Miami as one of the 3 Musketeers, for 6 years? Can’t see it.

    3) Going on prime time national t.v. to loudly proclaim yourself Benedict Arnold would be the most tone deaf move ever by an image-obsessed guy. Impossible? No, but pretty unlikely.

    Forget about home comforts for a second. If money, winning and image are his most important concerns, not sure how that adds up to him leaving.

    BTW, anyone who tunes into ESPN in the first 30 minutes is a masochistic chump.

  • JK

    Most overrated player in the NBA: Dwight Howard

  • JK

    @ 6 – Heard he’s going to the Knicks

  • Cindy

    It would be one thing to refuse to sign with the Cavs ( even though they have much to offer and more money to give) but to do this–and possibly do it in a specially televised event would really be a disgraceful thing to do to an organization that has only improved and grown with a hometown boy.

    I thought I could wish good things for James even if he went elsewhere. If he goes on TV like this tomorrow night and breaks our hearts LIKE THIS it will be inexcusable. He will be no better than the trash on Jerry Springer.

  • WindyCityWahoo

    At the end of the press conference, I’d really like LeBron to stand up and scream, “ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? IS THIS NOT WHY YOU ARE HERE?” and then spit on the ground.

  • stin4u

    @9 – You really think Bosh puts Miami over the top? I’d have to disagree….Lebron > Wade overall Cleveland bench > Miami bench (they only have 2 players under contract right now ). Two of their starting 5 are above average NBA players for sure but I doubt collectively they are a better team than the cavaliers right now. We’ll see what other moves they make.

  • Alexander

    We all know that Russell Branyan, not an OSU victory, is to blame for the outcome of the 2004 election.

  • JK

    Harv21-

    1) Players in their prime follow the $. They don’t push money away in their prime earning years. Still holds true as of this a.m. LeBron does not operate in an alternative reality. Maybe he has the biggest Q factor, but he also appears to support the biggest entourage since Ali.
    – Unless the money pushes you to Cleveland, then all bets are off.

    2) Amar’e is not particularly interested in defense, D’Antoni isn’t either. Even with LeBron, that team would get perenially bounced by the strong defensive team du jour. Sharing the spotlight in Miami as one of the 3 Musketeers, for 6 years? Can’t see it.
    – Hope thats a joke. Whoever LBJ goes to will be one of the favorites in the east. You really think the old Celtics could shut down NYK with that squad, dont kid yourself.

    3) Going on prime time national t.v. to loudly proclaim yourself Benedict Arnold would be the most tone deaf move ever by an image-obsessed guy. Impossible? No, but pretty unlikely.
    – This is what I dont get the most, even though most people are saying it. If he is breaking our hearts, he’s breaking our hearts. What does it matter if he lets it leak into the media, shares it on twitter, or holds a press confrence. Same results.

    Forget about home comforts for a second. If money, winning and image are his most important concerns, not sure how that adds up to him leaving.
    – RIGHT NOW. With Rose/Noah in Chi, Wade/(Bosh?) in Mia, Stat/(Boozer) in NYK we are the 4th best team roster wise. Who do we have to offer? Mo Williams begging to stay? JJ? Come on.

    BTW, anyone who tunes into ESPN in the first 30 minutes is a masochistic chump.
    – Ill probably have it on, not sure how in tune Ill be. Please dont call me a chump :)

  • Eric

    @15 Who besides Lebron on the Cavs is above average? You Cavs fans kill me! The Cavs are NOT a good team. That’s why you couldn’t beat Boston or the Magic. Does Bosh make the Heat NBA champions? No! Does Chris Bosh make the Heat a better team than the Cavaliers? HEll YES!

  • bobby

    I agree with the sentiment that Bosh wont be that good. I was trying to ask yesterday if he really makes tha big of a difference. If you get him without giving up JJ and AV then it would have been worth it… but I agree with stin- In Miami Bosh will fade and not live up to the hype.

  • stin4u

    @JK – have to respectfully disagree with your comments. We saw it year in and year out in the west when D’Antoni was with PHX with Amare and one of the best PG’s in the league and a solid roster. They did get bounced by better offensive AND defensive teams. Also, teams in the east largely play better defense than teams in the west. I think with the current roster plus Lebron under D’Antoni’s system the knicks could easily get bounced by a team like the Celtics.

  • Cindy

    I think you’re wrong JK. Many people have tried hard to dispel the notion that Cleveland is a wasteland. When Ohio’s own son goes on tv in the hugest of self made spotlights and spits on his roots like this, it’s only a step back.

  • stin4u

    @ Eric – I’m not saying the cavs roster will blow anyone out of the water but did Detroit’s when they won? Not so much. The point is one player doesn’t make a team. One player can’t play all the positions at once for the entire game. One player doesn’t make a team automatically better than the team that finished with the best regular season record in the east two years running.

    Collectively RIGHT NOW…the cavs are a better team…BUT…that could change considering (if you include Bosh and Wade) Miami has a total of four players….like I said…I’ll wait to see it before I make any assumptions.

  • JK

    Hope you’re right Cindy, but like I said in another dicussion; above all else, this is Cleveland. Would you really be surprised about anything negative? I wouldn’t and thats the Gods honest truth.

  • Harv 21

    JK:

    You disagreed with all of my logical points? Wow. :-)

    Think you missed the last one, though. My doubt that he would announce a switch on ESPN has nothing to do with the effect on us, it’s the effect on his carefully spun image. No longer the warm, fuzzy international star who manages to stay loyal to his roots, now he looks like just another carpetbagging jock.

  • Eric

    @stin4u, I kinda agree that one player doesn’t make a team. That’s why it’s so baffling to me why the Cavs created a one man team and all the Cavs fans seemed shocked and dismayed when that one man team gets dismantled in the playoffs. But then on the other hand one truly talented player, not a “solid rotational player” can get a team over the hump. Don’t believe me? Ask the Lakers. If Lebron could lead a bunch of bottom feeders to the best record in the league two years in a row, surely Wade and Bosh can drag their bottom feeders to the 2nd or third seed in the East.

  • Roosevelt

    I don’t get how anyone could think that a team (Heat) with four players, two of whom are any good, would be better than the Cavs. The team that beat Cleveland last year was Boston. There’s no evidence that Cleveland last year was any worse than the third best team in the NBA. If Lebron comes back, what will have changed? Did Miami suddenly vault into the top three? By losing eight players and adding one? I don’t think so.

    Yes, Cleveland has many role players. These role players are better than average; Varejao isn’t Scott Pollard, Mo is not Eric Snow, Jamison, Parker etc. were specifically chosen as Ferry honed the team to fit in around Lebron.

    Building from the ground up with two superstars, whether it’s Wade and Bosh in Miami, or Lebron and Stoudemire in NY, would not make that team an instant juggernaut. Even Boston needed three great players for a championship run, and it would have been only ONE championship run if they hadn’t struck gold with Rondo and Perkins.

    Lebron may be leery of retruning to the same team, but if he does, they’ll still be the second best team in the east, and far better than the new Miami.

  • Shamrock

    @stin4u I agree with #2 in that Bosh won’t elevate Miami as much as others think. I think if Wade resigns and they get Bosh they only have two other guys under contract. Who is Miami giving up for Bosh anyways?

    For those who think Miami will be so much better then Cleveland with LeBron you have got to be kidding. Miami will have 1 superstar in Wade along with an All-Star in Bosh but after that what else? The Cavaliers roster has holes and is comprised of role players but it’s still better then Miami. Add in a new coach who probably has a bigger offensive playbook now then Mike Brown and who knows. Of course if LeBron leaves everything changes.

  • Shamrock

    LoL @ 26 great kinds think alike we were posting at same time.

  • Team Wallace

    smooth move, Ohio State…