May 25, 2013

Appreciating Randy Lerner by Comparison

To derive happiness from the shortfalls of others is really very unbecoming in life.  Then again, the yin and yang are important because without ups, there could be no downs and without unhappiness there could be no such thing as happiness.  

You know; elementary philosophy and all that.  

As the Browns head into “The Battle for Ohio” this week against the 2-11 Bengals, we shouldn’t waste any pity on them or their fans.  They probably don’t want it even if we felt like giving it to them.  The Browns are 1.5-point underdogs as I write this, so it isn’t like Browns fans have a whole lot to crow about other than a better record on the way to also missing the playoffs.  None of this means that I can’t muster a bit of a back-handed compliment for Randy Lerner as I think about Mike Brown’s reign over the Bengals.

Randy Lerner will hopefully deserve some real praise of the “not-so-back-handed” variety as the Mike Holmgren era plays out.  Regardless of what Holmgren does with Mangini’s future there is hope that the Browns finally have the right structure in place this time.  Prior to that, we all know the type of dysfunction that ran rampant through the Browns.  Butch Davis ousting predecessors before being fired.  Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage.  Savage’s power struggles with front office people, the coaching staff and finally the fans.  Regardless of the mistakes and how many times Lerner compounded them, he kept trying new things, sparing no expense in an attempt to dig the Browns out.

Contrast that with Mike Brown’s Bengals.  Brown will not hire a general manager.  The team never seems to get ahead with draft picks and scouting.  Let’s not sugarcoat this.  Mike Brown’s Wikipedia entry has a bullet point entitled “Frugality.”

Remember the Shaun Rogers trade?  Remember that Shaun Rogers was a “done deal” from Detroit to the Bengals just days before according to the Associated Press for 3rd and 5th round draft picks.  Somehow that deal fell through after being reported in the media, probably due to money.  The Browns ended up being beneficiaries as they traded Leigh Bodden and a 3rd round choice to bring Rogers to the Browns.  Randy Lerner despite whatever you might not like about him opened the bank book for Rogers to the tune of 6 years and $42 million with $20 million in guarantees.

And that is just one example.  Randy Lerner paid George Kokinis to end that debacle.  He paid Romeo Crennel and Phil Savage to end that debacle.  Certainly, you would prefer not to create so many debacles, but at least Lerner didn’t just sit on them and wait them out.

In the media, Marvin Lewis never finds himself on the hot seat.  At times he has been seen as a good coach in Cincy.  In 2009 he won coach of the year honors.  Before that though, there were times when Lewis easily could have found himself on the hot seat, except nobody bothered to talk about it.  They wouldn’t talk about it because nobody thought owner Mike Brown would fire a guy in the middle of his contract and pay two coaches.  Even if they want Lewis back, who knows if he will want to subject himself to more years of mismanagement from the top down?

Let’s hope Randy Lerner got it right this time and in light of our opponent this weekend, appreciate that he doesn’t have a bullet point labeled “Frugality” in his Wikipedia entry.

  • Garry Owen

    @humboldt. That’s fine. Your belief that Lerner favors blue collar English fans over blue collar Cleveland fans is great. Just don’t call others ignorant and tone-deaf just because they don’t share your experience, acquaintances, presumptions, and conclusions. That truly is irrational and irrelevant, irrespective of how irritated you might be. For everything that you’ve stated (in #46 and in all of your other posts), there is a counter argument based on our unique experiences, acquaintances, and presumptions that is just as valid. Unfortunately, experiences, acquaintances, and presumptions all contribute to different conclusions and simply do not constitute truth.

    Be at peace, dude. Truly. I mean no animosity. Colt McCoy is starting Sunday, and all is well (at least until the first pick-6 of his career – likely in the 2011 AFC championship game).

  • crobarred

    I follow the EPL (English Premier League) and Browns fans have more in common with Aston Villa fans than they might think. When Lerner spent time here trying to get a new GM in place AV fans were upset and called him an “absentee owner”. Browns fans feel slighted when he’s over there and not minding the store in Cleveland. The guy can’t win really…

    Personally he could hop over to Scotland and party with the Loch Ness Monster…long as he brings a contender to Cleveland I’m happy.

  • Harv 21

    wow, just got in here and loved all comments until about the 35 mark when things went all sociology and personal.

    Back to the topic, seems to me that both of these sons of hugely successful fathers have failed in classic ways. Mike’s the blustery son who thinks he knows more than everyone because he’s a Brown. Randy’s the meek son who knows he’s an ant in his late father’s shadow and is forever following the last confident voice in his ear.

    Neither have acquired their own football acumen since getting their teams. So I vote for the guy who delegates to the guy he thinks knows football. At least you have a chance to get lucky.

  • mgbode

    @Carl, yes I said that Mangini = Belicheck. that is exactly what I said and meant. no use trying to actually have a debate and argue the merits of the points I made, just completely misread, throw it out there to hopefully confuse others and run. Nice job on that. /sarcasm

    (what I did say is that Randy Lerner was trying to replicate the Pioli/Belicheck combo from the Pats. And that he failed miserably at trying to do so and moved on from it quickly. carry on)

  • humboldt

    @DP

    1) “Tell me which of the Browns’ players are “blue collar” in the sense that they aren’t making six- or seven-figure salaries. You’re projecting your perception of the fanbase onto pro athletes that, for the most part, really can’t be considered blue collar. Nor can Lerner. I’m not saying he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, but the guy’s father was a billionaire.”

    I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make here.

    2)Because, much like politics, shouting about something in an echo-chamber of people who all agree clearly sums up an entire outside demographic of people.

    As I said in jest, I would be happy to test my theories in cross-sectional research with Denny as my research assistant. As it stands, you are defending the premise that all Browns fans equally appreciate soccer and thus have no grounds for ill-will against Lerner and basing it on your own presumptions as well.

    3) For all of the ranting about Lerner’s “perceived” favoritism being something that gives a negative opinion of him to the fan-base, you’ve yet to show one shred of evidence as to how this has harmed the ACTUAL FRANCHISE.

    OK, our argument has been about the validity of the perceptions of Browns fans towards Lerner rather than his effect on the franchise, but if you want an answer to this look no further than the years of futility we’ve had to endure b/c Lerner hired the inept tandem of Crenell/Savage and gave Mangini control of the whole franchise so that he could focus on his preferred asset in the UK.

    4) Guess what: I worked my butt off and got a full-ride academic scholarship to college. But that doesn’t make me better than anyone else, no matter how much I might break my arm trying to pat myself on the back. It certainly doesn’t make my OPINION any more valid than anyone else’s.

    Obviously you misunderstand my point about “cultural elite”. It’s not a mentality of being better than other people but rather a matter of having the social/material resources to be able to care about something as esoteric as European soccer teams. People who are struggling to get by in inner city Cleveland (or anywhere else) don’t have anywhere near sufficient resources to give a rat’s a** about Aston Villa. Sorry you don’t see yourself in the cultural elite DP, but the fact you are educated, literate, and part of a successful internet-based social media initiative would suggest otherwise.

    5) In short, you’re becoming Oscar from the episode of “The Office” where it sounds like your sole goal is to somehow prove your smarts to all of us… like we’re going to somehow go, “Oh, well gosh, he’s smart. I must be wrong.” Get over it.

    The Office is a great show.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com DP

    I have absolutely no idea what point you’re trying to make here.

    Good. At least we both feel the same way.

    As it stands, you are defending the premise that all Browns fans equally appreciate soccer and thus have no grounds for ill-will against Lerner and basing it on your own presumptions as well.

    Nope, merely saying that you saying, “Well, all my friends think Randy sucks for owning a soccer team!” is hardly empirical fact, though you seem to pass it off as such. I personally don’t care at all about soccer either positively or negatively, and see the whole “Lerner cares more about Aston Villa than the Browns!” as a complete non-starter argument that only enters the landscape because the Browns haven’t been successful on the field. And, the reality is that one has nothing to do with the other. It’s just a convenient excuse. If Lerner were somehow skimping on the Browns in lieu of AV, then you might have an argument. But he doesn’t. The Browns weren’t any better when Randy’s father owned them and didn’t own an English soccer team.

    OK, our argument has been about the validity of the perceptions of Browns fans towards Lerner rather than his effect on the franchise, but if you want an answer to this look no further than the years of futility we’ve had to endure b/c Lerner hired the inept tandem of Crenell/Savage and gave Mangini control of the whole franchise so that he could focus on his preferred asset in the UK.

    I guess I don’t think that’s what the argument is about. Craig’s original thesis, as I understood it, is that Lerner could be a lot worse as an owner, and that Mike Brown is a prime illustration as to how it could be worse. And, as it relates to the day-to-day operations of the franchise, I don’t see how Lerner’s owning an English soccer team has anything to do with it. Until data can be produced to back up that his ownership of AV has negatively affected the Browns, I don’t buy it as a rational argument.

    Even if it does hurt his perception among a sect of Browns fans, Randy’s stadium is still full every Sunday (or, at least, the tickets are all sold). It’s not as if that perception has hurt his bottom line which then, in turn, has hurt his ability to pump money into this franchise. Randy’s shown no hesitation to spend when money needed to be spent. Have all of his hires worked out like gold? Nope. He’s certainly not the first owner and won’t be the last to have that happen to him. Jerry Jones just fired HIS head coach, too.

    Finally, has Lerner given Holmgren *less* control of his franchise than he gave to Mangini? Another non-sequitur is that Lerner hired Mangini so that it would give him an excuse to fly away and ignore the Browns. How is giving Holmgren the HMFIC title any different? But, because Holmgren’s not Mangini, the move is perceived differently. All Lerner’s ever done–and I think THIS is the core point of Craig’s piece–is to try to find the right “football guy” to put in charge of the franchise. What else should he be doing??

    Obviously you misunderstand my point about “cultural elite”. It’s not a mentality of being better than other people but rather a matter of having the social/material resources to be able to care about something as esoteric as European soccer teams. People who are struggling to get by in inner city Cleveland (or anywhere else) don’t have anywhere near sufficient resources to give a rat’s a** about Aston Villa. Sorry you don’t see yourself in the cultural elite DP, but the fact you are educated, literate, and part of a successful internet-based social media initiative would suggest otherwise.

    This doesn’t pass the smell test. You say it’s not about labeling yourself as “better, ” and then turn around use the word “esoteric” to describe the love of EPL soccer. A few notes:

    1) I guess I just don’t feel the need to label myself as anything, especially in a way that kind of comes across as a clear attempt to build oneself up at the expense of others’ lack of certain experiences. I certainly didn’t grow up on any mean streets. I live comfortably now in my 30′s. I’m college-educated. I played soccer as a kid. I still don’t really give a rat’s a** about EPL soccer. It’s a total non-sequitur to imply that resources are somehow the only bearing on what people like and don’t like. At the end of the day, it reads like this: “Nothing for you to add here. Shhh! The grown-ups are talking.” But, of course, you meant nothing insulting by it.

    2) Calling EPL soccer “esoteric” (“restricted to or intended for an enlightened or initiated minority; difficult to understand”) is charlatan at best. In reality, I suspect the EPL’s global fanbase is equal to–or greater than–that of the NFL’s, and probably just as economically diverse across many cultures. The world’s best soccer players all play there. How many NFL players come from other countries? In other words, following EPL soccer doesn’t make you special, just like following Browns football in lieu of EPL soccer doesn’t make anyone more “blue collar” or less “culturally elite”. I mean, hey, if you’re saying I’m part of the cultural elite, and I don’t like soccer but LOVE the Browns, the shoe fits, right?

    So, I think you misunderstood my point. I’m not saying there aren’t Browns fans who don’t give a rip about EPL soccer and wonder why Lerner spends so much time over there watching his team, but that projects their primal love of the Browns onto Lerner. He didn’t ask to become the owner of this team, but instead runs it like the business that it is to him. As do almost ALL owners not named Cuban (who is probably the only fan-turned-mogul with the means to buy his favorite team), I suspect.

    Lerner’s primary interest is for the Browns to succeed, because when they do, so does his bottom-line/investment. It really doesn’t run deeper than that, nor does it have anything to do with his other business interests.

    Here’s my summary:
    I recognize that there are fans–possibly many fans–who don’t like the fact that Lerner owns, and spends a lot of time with, the English soccer team. Those feelings of resentment are valid feelings. I’m not trying to say otherwise. But, those feelings don’t make Lerner a bad owner of the Browns. And, there’s no data to say otherwise.

  • Tylor

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/12/16/2010-nfl-draft-redux/index.html?eref=sihp

    H&H’s first draft netted arguably three of the top 17 players in the draft.

  • humboldt

    @DP – Just read your summary (last paragraph) and think that beneath all the sound and fury and misunderstanding this medium invites we actually don’t disagree. All I was trying to do is encourage people to validate the feelings of resentment I sense in the fanbase, which you have ultimately done. It is endlessly irritating and counter-productive when people dismiss these feelings as “irrational” and act like they are above them. I agree that Lerner’s hiring of Holmgren was a savvy move, and fully entrust the Big Show with the future of the franchise.

    The only part of your summary I disagree with is that we lack “data” to show Lerner’s ownership of AV has damaged the Browns franchise. No, there hasn’t been an RCT done, but the damage of the last 7 years of mostly absentee ownership is evidence enough for me. Again, hiring Holmgren offers a chance for redemption, and I’ll be rooting for Randy’s team as fervently as ever these last few games and on to next season.