June 19, 2013

Browns Give Game to Bills

The Browns will regret this loss desperately.  They did everything the exact opposite of what Eric Mangini preaches.  The Browns lost the turnover battle.  They handily lost the time of possession battle.  They were badly out-rushed in bad weather.  The Browns’ defense played well enough to win only giving up 13 points, but even that won’t provide any comfort as the Browns lick their wounds heading into Cincy with a 500 record being the best possible scenario for the season.

Yes, this team has made improvements over last season.  Forget that for a second though.  The team defied its own improvement in out-stinking the Bills for 60 minutes this Sunday.  Reggie Hodges punted four times and Brian Moorman matched him with four punts of his own.  At the end of it all, though, the Browns lost because they didn’t control the ball, clock and field position.  In Eric Mangini’s world that is absolutely unforgivable.  

In my pre-game I warned mightily against getting greedy with rushing yards due to the weather and propensity for Hillis to fumble the ball.  That was pretty prescient as the Browns put the ball on the ground five times (three for Hillis) losing two of them.  Jake Delhomme also added an interception that was aided by a Bills hit as he released the ball.  Is it time to talk about the workload that Hillis has endured this season?  He and the Browns running attack have been wildly inconsistent in the second half of the year.  Maybe that has something to do with the fact that Hillis is carrying a career-high workload between carries and receptions?

Jake Delhomme had a bad game.  He didn’t do it alone, but make no mistake it was bad.  I can’t point to any easy plays that were big losers necessarily, but he didn’t make anything happen either.  There were also some really bad miscues between he and Peyton Hillis and Josh Cribbs on running plays and an end-around.  The rest of the offense didn’t do anything to pick them up either. Massaquoi had a couple catches, Robiskie had two and Ben Watson had one, but that was it.  The Bills out-matched the Browns’ offense all game long.  You can spread that blame between Daboll, Delhomme, Hillis, the receivers and the offensive line pretty equally.  Mangini can get some of the blame too if you are in the camp that he should have sat Delhomme.

I would have supported Mangini had he chosen to pull that trigger.  Still, at this point, I truly believe these types of strategies are being discussed organizationally, so I expect these changes between games more than in-game.  Jake Delhomme wasn’t producing, but he never had that one bone-headed play that triggered his removal.

The bottom line is that the Browns weren’t good enough today.  Between the gameplan, the effort and the self-inflicted wounds, they failed miserably in what was a truly winnable game.  They will not enjoy watching tape of this one this week.  I am sure a lot of the beat reporters will start to ramp up the “hot seat” talk for Mangini too.  The real target will probably be Mangini’s offensive underling.  I think we are getting dangerously close to an absolute hatred for Brian Daboll in Browns fan circles despite an obvious talent deficiency.  At some point the lack of talent isn’t enough of an excuse for a restless fan base that never wants to see even a half step back.

This team is still improved over the one a year ago, but it is increasingly tough to stave off the approaching pitchfork-wielding fan base after losses like this.  The whole thing stinks of missed opportunities and playing down to the competition.  The Browns never seem to quit under Mangini, but are they capable of dominating lesser opponents?

  • jbreg

    It’s unacceptable that we hang with the best teams in the league but continually play down to lesser opponents.

    Colt McCoy had these exact same receiving weapons against better defenses and could move the ball when necessary. Its time to hand Delhomme the clipboard and let him mentor Seneca and Colt for the remainder of the year.

  • Jeremy

    This is the game that just cost Mangini his job. His adoring man crush on Jake Delhomme is going to be the end of him. Senneca Wallace is the better QB and should have been starting. This was bad in every way. Jon Gruden and Holmgren were probably chatting it up during the game.

  • subadai

    @jbreg.

    Agreed. I’m not one for all the knee-jerk, “fire this guy at halftime and cut this guy now” type talk. But I’ve seen enough of Delhomme. We know what he is. And he can’t help. Time to sit him.

  • Mike

    I don’t think that Mangini should go yet. I think that he has been better this year with Holmgren and Heckert. I do think it is well overdue for a new offensive coordinator. I know that we don’t have much, but the creativity is never there. Opening drive run all the way to the goal line and keep punching into a stacked line and no play action. Our running game should set up play action and screens. Teams crowd the line and stuff and game and we keep running the ball in there. Passing the ball for 3 yards when we need 5 by Jake is a mistake he shouldn’t be making at this point in his career. The offense needs a spark and Wallace can be that and probably will be next week if McCoy isn’t healthy. Cribbs has not been the same and looks hesitant. St. Clair should still be gone!!! Hopefully we win a few more, but after today, I don’t expect much. Go Browns!!!

  • Mikey

    @#2 I am thinking the exact same thing.

  • ManSleezee

    Daboll did everything he could to get fired today. It’s not about placing blame. It’s about being absolutely terrible at his job.

  • sealedhuman

    Only Daboll and Mangini can turn a strength, the running game, into a weakness with horrible play calling and poor personnel decisions. How can we justify playing that conservatively when we’re losing? I joked this week that we would go into ball-control mode after gaining a three point lead halfway through the first quarter. And that’s exactly what we did. We became so predictable that even the Bills dominated us in the second half.

    The fact that we can dominate the Patriots and Saints tells me that we have enough talent to compete with anyone. I can’t see how anyone can defend this coaching staff at this point.

  • http://domainofthedisturbing.wordpress.com Daryl Brownell

    This is why I’m still scratching my head over the Harrison trade. If Hillis is overworked and putting the ball on the ground as a result, he could’ve been sharing the load instead of…Mike Bell.

  • Chris

    I’ve been behind Dabol for most of this season, and part of me wants his head on a pike for this game but then I back off and think about it logically:

    Hillis didn’t get the ball much, but when he did he dropped it. THREE. SEPERATE. TIMES.

    Cribbs dropped it on his only posession (my DVR was messing up, I only saw one, were there more?).
    Delhomme was ineffective but the turnovers were all forced by contact, so he wasn’t abysmal. That said… I’m largely ondiferent abour which QB happens to play.

  • subadai

    @9.

    That’s the key. If an O is built around a power RB and said power RB can’t hold on to the rock, the O looks grabasstic at best. See Vikings, Minnesota, Pre-Favre. When Adrian Peterson put the ball on the ground, that Vikes running game disappeared ant the Vikes O along with it. That’s why they wanted Favre so bad. So that they had a plan B. We don’t have a plan B. Pretty simple.

  • jimkanicki

    bullets, no particular order:
    1. after the domination of the first drive, go for the TD on 4th down. kicking FG there wasn’t ‘smart’.. it was arrogant. it said, ‘were not too too worried about you, buffalo.’
    2. disagree that jake didn’t make boneheaded plays. there had to be five situations where he went into captain checkdown mode. completing a pass for two yards to set up 3rd/18 is indeed a boneheaded play.
    3. second week in a row where we’ve sat our pro bowl FB in running situations. i understand that splitting 4 WRs empties the box. i also understand that this strategy has been tried two weeks in a row with consistently poor results.
    4. this defense cannot get off the field. it started with the jets game (remember the jets’ 14min drive in the 3rd qtr?). is this all due to the loss of fujita?
    5. team seems to have had the starch knocked out of it since the jets game. they’ve looked flat ever since.
    6. why the hell do you stop running the ball when the first drive yielded runs of 7, 4, 19, 11, 8, 6?
    7. and again, when you’ve just stuffed the bills for an avg of 9+ yds/run… why are you kicking a FG?
    8. if jake cant or wont throw downfield, at least put in the multi-dimensional short pass qb. go to the bullpen.

    this was a regression of the highest order. woof.

  • subadai

    OMG. Are people really serious about Josh McDaniels as OC? Really? This is the best that the “Fire Daboll” geniuses can come up with? Seriously?

  • NJ

    How about Robert Royal dropping that third down conversion? Not an easy catch by any stretch, but why is ol’ stone hands even in there in a clear passing situation? It’s little things like that which kill drives and lose games. And again – WHERE IS VICKERS?!?! I want to chart yards by rush with Vickers vs. without Vickers.

    I’ve been a defender of Mangini this whole season. That said, I have no problem with him getting canned now. He’s had ample opportunity to step up and save his job, but he’d prefer to keep games close and hope to luck it out. Like #11 said, why not go for it on 4th and goal? Why not try, you know, to win the game and go for the jugular? It’s your freaking job for chrissake. Show some life. Where’s the gadget plays? Mangini’s loyalty to Daboll and Delhomme are going to land him on the unemployment line.

    I just hope that Holmgren wants to coach. Please, no Chucky.

  • Harv 21

    It absolutely can be the Qbs fault when a poor throw or fumble results from being hit. It’s called pocket awareness. Jake just looks done – the game has sped up for him: his decision making is slow, his feet are slow and his field vision has deteriorated.

    Interesting that Jake was snapping at Daboll after a few failed third down plays. Hadn’t seen that before.

    Not a Mangini hater but would like to know if he even attempted to overrule the pass-pass-pass strategy in the second half. We will play in these conditions every single December. Sometimes you just have to run, even when they know you will. Like the Bills did.

  • jimkanicki

    @12sub — well… the 2007 pats averaged 35 ppg… sooo… how is that so crazy? as for daboll, his in game adjustment seem to consistently go AWAY for what works. tb and kc games are other examples.

    @9chris — i’d just put an X next to cribbs. four dislocated toes… seriously. can you imagine? he can’t be right. second, i dont know what hillis was doing with the fumbles. but i do know that he’s got fewer LBs and DBs hitting him when VICKERS is leading for him.

    @13nj — had the same thought about royal. sat next to a bills fan watching this game. needless to say, he was as surprises as all of us that royal was in the game in a passing situation. and thank you for also noticing the vickers absence. dang.

    back to that 3rd/goal from the 1… why are we running behind womack/stclair when we’ve got thomas/steinbach on the other side? there were three bills in our backfield on that play. right side of o-line = sieve.

  • NJ

    I also loved when Seneca came in for one snap – a hand off. That passes for a trick play in this offense.

    @12 – Who mentioned McDaniels?

    @14 – Complete agreement. Jake looks done. I wonder if there’s any pressure from the front office to stick with him?

    @15 – Yes. Why go away from the runs? They were working. Plus, you’ve got to stick with it to run down a defense. Keep with it and it’ll pay dividends down the road.

  • J

    BLAME BLAME BLAME BLAME BLAME

    Ok, now that that’s done, we can notice some important things.

    1. The defense held the Bills—who average 20 points per game—to 13 points, even though the Browns turned the ball over too many times to keep track of.

    2. Chris Gocong, making strides in recent weeks, had a breakout game today, as his name was constantly being mentioned and he walked away from that game with 10 tackles, 1 sack, and 1 forced fumble. Brilliant.

    3. T.J. Ward—the injury-prone second round draft pick—had another great game as he led the team in tackles, and on the big pass he gave up where he jumped the route, he was a hair’s breadth away from a pick six. If his diagnosis-and-reaction is a half-second faster, it goes the other way.

    Next year it will be.

    4. Abe Elam had another solid game, with a huge hit on third down in the 4th quarter that dislodged a (nearly) completed pass for a first down.

    5. Let’s not hang this one on Mangini, ok? 13 points. With all those turnovers. If the Browns play the kind of mistake-free, TURNOVER FREE, opportunistic football that Mangini preaches and that got them the wins over the elite teams, they win this game. If Hillis doesn’t put that ball on the ground, the Browns go up 6 – 0 or 10 – 0 and set the stage for a pass-heavy Buffalo that plays right into the Browns D’s strength: picking off balls.

    6. Which brings me to the last point. The Browns D—second in the league with 18 picks, or 1.5 per game—did not swipe a ball today. If you want to put the loss on anything, put it on that (and the turnovers the offense committed).

    The PLAYERS were put in a position to win this game for themselves.

    The PLAYERS lost this game.

    Don’t be Browns fans of the last decade, constantly calling for coaches’ heads.

    Be Browns fans of the new decade, the one in which the Browns go into every game with a real chance to win.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Denny

    Who will be the new scapegoat once Daboll is gone?

  • Chris

    @”Why stop running it?” We had 4 turnovers on run plays. Maybe Daboll wasn’t as stupid as you are all thinking in limiting it? This was my point in post 9.

  • http://www.moonbattery.com modell2hell

    @16 Jake looked done before he ever got to Cleveland. It’s easy to second guess, but with today’s weather against that defense, Wallace seemed to be the clear choice to start.

  • NJ

    I know, I know.

    But what else can we do? We got rid of Harrison and apparently have zero faith in Bell. And since the other option was Jake Delhomme, I’d rather keep the ball in Hillis’s hands. Even with the fumbles, he’s still our best option.

  • jbreg

    Mangini has done enough to keep his job. The last thing this team needs is a new regime. That being said they need a professional offensive coordinator to come in here next year and get this offense going in the right direction. Hopefully we hang on to Ryan, otherwise this coaching carousel will continue to be ugly.

  • jimkanicki

    @18chris, after the 1st drive, browns did pass-run-pass, 3/out. meh… it just felt like the passing they did were out empty backfields. why not use the Ds respect of run to augment pass game? (playaction?) and the checkdowns… yeesh.

    anyhoos. HOW BOUT THEM AKRON ZIPS!! NATIONAL CHAMPS IN SOCCER!! they’re pretty awesome. was stupidly in doubt in final minute, but zips controlled the game impressively.

  • Chris

    JBReg: I mostly agree although I at least half think Daboll showed a lot of growth year over year and deserves a shot to grow some more. Being too conservative is better than taking too many risks, and is something correctable. He does great when he does play riskier.

    But then again… I gave Crennel a pretty long leash, too.

  • bobby

    What is the love affair with Rob Ryan? He isnt a great coach. Maybe its a lack of talent, but esp. in the last few games teams have been able to drive at will and control the TOP against the browns. Ryan is so predictable and its starting to show. Screen/flat passes when pressure is coming. Run when you see 5+ Lbs out on the field. I dont know why on 3rd and 3 we would have 5 LBs out there time and time again with only 1 or 2 DL. And every play the flats and screen passes to the side will kill the browns. Not to mention the inability to contain a QB that can scramble. Giving 50 rushing yards to Fitz killed them. Sure, you “only” gave up 13 points, but you also gave up around 40 (i think without looking it up) minutes away from the O.

  • Chris

    On the bright side, this wasn’t the only collapse in the NFL today.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh5iE5FA84g

  • jimkanicki

    @24bob..food for thought. that jayme mitchell we traded for is supposedly a DE in a 4-3 scheme only. i think it was grossi who put forward that the only reason to bring him in is if browns switch to 4-3 next year.

    t.o.p. was like 36 to 23 today. jets game was even worse. seemed like bills had a LOT of 2nd/2 situations today.

  • C-Bus Kevin

    There’s plenty of blame to go around, but please, lay off rob ryan. The browns defense forced a turnover and held buffalo to 13 points. That’s good enough to win if your offense isn’t terrible.

    I also don’t think you can truly blame daboll…completely. sure, he didn’t run behind thomas/stache, and the pass-pass-pass strategy was questionable, but the fumbles weren’t on him. The ints weren’t his fault. Delhomme’s “throw to the under receiver every time” strategy wasn’t his fault.

    Plain and simple, the problem today was execution.

  • bobby

    Was Mitchell traded for or signed off waivers (i just dont remember a trade)?

    C-Bus- Its not just this game. I liek Ryan, but he is not a great coach. the overall rank of this defense is still in the lower 3rd of the league. I dont think he has ever had a D in the top half of the league ranks (when he was DC). The D just cant get off the field ever and its because of the holes Ryan leaves with his blitzes. The screen passes that continue to burn the browns are because Ryan wont cover them. I think if he becomes a HC next year that team will be severely disappointed.

  • Matt S

    This isn’t on Daboll or Mangini, in my opinion. It’s on the players.

    The D did alright. Could they have done better? Yeah. There were 2 or 3 dropped INTs. They were unable to get off the field and get the offense some time to work things out. But overall, they did well.

    Peyton Hillis and Josh Cribbs are the sword of this offense. They are our main weapons, and just as the old saying goes, you die by that sword. Was Delhomme great? No, but he’s certainly doing better than he was in that he’s not making stupid turnovers. Hillis dropped the ball to the turf 3 times, including a drive killing one that would have helped keep the momentum and score in the Browns’ favor. Cribbs has been a non-factor for the last month or so, and even put the team in a gigantic hole by cocking up the reverse and fumbling. 2nd and 20+ is a large hole to be in, and Jake Delhomme isn’t getting you out of it.

    Yes, Delhomme is done. The team needs a QB that can sense & avoid pressure (he can’t). The team needs a QB who can perhaps get some yardage by scrambling if nobody is getting open. But don’t go thinking Wallace is going to be any better. Delhomme can actually make bullet passes to wideouts. Wallace looks like a college QB out there, he just doesn’t have the arm to be the starting QB. The only passes he seems to make are within 5 yards of the line. That being said, if you’re going to prefer Delhomme for that reason, then let him throw. He’s useless as a game manager. The answer is clearly McCoy, and he’ll go as soon as he’s healthy.

  • Kasey

    Bad play calling aside, I think our problem is that fact that we are completely one dimensional on offense. When was the last time we made big pass play that really mattered?? For as great as Hillis is, I don’t think his style bodes well with being a feature back. From here on out the opposition has our number and it’s going to be tough for Hillis to carry this team on his back. Hopefully we know where Hardesty is sooner than later because we are in big trouble if we don’t have another semi-productive back going into next season. Let’s just hope Colt is good to go for Cincy. It would be very Browns of us to break their losing streak…

  • JM

    They lost to one of the worst teams in the league. That game stunk. Blame goes to just about everybody on offense and defense. Offense for looking borderline mentally challenged yet again. Defense for even allowing Buffalo’s offense to stay on the field as long as they did.

  • jimkanicki

    @28bob, it was a trade for a late 2012 draft pick. http://is.gd/iDRBl

    ive got it down to two things that bothered me in this game. not going for the TD on the first drive. not going to the bullpen when it was apparent that the reason for playing jake (downfield passing) was not in the gameplan.

    @7sealedhuman’s prediction of ‘…we would go into ball-control mode after gaining a three point lead halfway through the first quarter’ was too predictable. we’ve seen it before.

    i dont mind mistakes, but i really dislike not learning from them.

  • http://www.redright88.com Titus Pullo

    Don’t worry Denny, one thing we’re good at in this town is finding scapegoats.

  • MattyFos

    I want Marty Morhinweg.. Perfect choice. Holmgren tree and was with Heckert in Philly. Please bring him in as OC.

  • MattyFos

    I love the hate for Delhomme because of his checkdowns… Has anybody actually watched McCoy? Or do they just gaze at the screen because of his and Hillis’ dreaminess.

  • Ralpie Boy

    Daryl@8…That, sir would be a “Bingo”!

    Why are you and I the only ones who miss a guy who would be the perfect change of pace back for this team?

    When (not if) Mangenius gets fired it will be because of stubborn, boneheaded moves like that. Mike Bell, yeah right.

    This team is waaaaay too short on playmakers to just toss one aside because he didn’t lick Mangini’s boots properly.

    And spare me the “He’s not the personnel guy anymore” crap; that trade had his fingerprints all over it.

  • jimkanicki

    @matty36, im guessing you’re saying colt is a checker downer. he started like that in preseason, but he got better. but i was impressed with his game sense in that i don’t recall him checking down to a one yard pass when it’s 3rd/10.

    frankly, i was impressed at colt’s pocket sense. he’ll stand tall in the pocket longer, will look downfield longer, and senses the rush better than jake has in the last couple games. he has also shown a good instinct for when to run (and has decent speed to make it work). this part of colt’s game surprised me and is a great indicator.

    as far as dreaminess… there’s this and then there’s this. so yes, colt is the right kind of dreamy.

  • bobby

    Morhinweg would only be able to come if he were to become the HC i believe. I dont think coaches under contracts can take a parallel job with a different team.

  • brownsfan019

    That was an embarrassing loss… 2-10 Buffalo? Are you kidding me?

    As a ‘fire Mangini now guy’ I hope this loss does just that. And Daboll.

    I’ve had enough of this stuff. H&H need to put together the organizational structure they want and just do it; although that may have to wait till the end of this season.

  • Cooley Ford

    If Mangini goes, he goes. I’m indifferent at this point, provided we bring in a real OC.

    @36- The difference between Delhomme and Colt is that Colt seems to be more aware in the pocket, and is a real threat to run. He also hasn’t yet shown a propensity for throwing pick sixes.

  • Jeff Brown

    I have not been a fire Mangini guy nor even as much a Daboll most go, although I would probably not complain if that were to happen; but this was just awful. They couldn’t make any adjustments. They barely moved the ball. And as much as I love Hillis, holy crap hang onto the ball. Jake just never seemed to be in synch for some reason. Our D hung in there, but everyone commenting about not getting off the field are right. We once again were gashed by the screen pass.
    I really think we need a switch to the 4-3 next year, especially if Rogers is not traded. I would like to see him and Rubin together in the middle. I think we have 3 good linebackers but not 4.
    This whole game was just so frustrating. Honestly if Jake is back out there again next week, I will probably not watch. I have other things I should be doing anyway. Can we send a message yo Holmgren that no one wants to see Jake anymore? Sorry you spent 7 mil on the guy. But he royally sucks.

  • Ralphie Boy

    Just unbelievable they could lose this game.

    Playing down to the competition is a coaching issue, and I still don’t believe the team is buying what Mangenius is selling.

  • Nicky Z

    Josh Cribbs makes me sad nowadays. What is wrong with him this year? It’s weird hearing the dudes calling the game say “they need to be careful kicking it to Cribbs” and knowing that he has done ZERO on special teams this year. I know, this has nothing to do with the game against the Bills, but I don’t ever want to think about that game again.

  • brownsfan019

    @44 – Not sure how long Cribbs has been healthy this year + taking on the added role of being a WR. Maybe they tried to do too much w/ Cribbs this year and/or the injuries got to him. It’d be nice to know what the real deal is with Cribbs this year but we’ll probably never know.

  • Cooley Ford

    Cribbs lives 1 mile away from my brother. He sees him around North Royalton from time to time. His foot is still hurting him.

    4 dislocated toes, and I believe also a sprained foot, is no picnic. I sprained one toe w/a foot sprain. It didn’t heal 100% for almost 8 months. Not to mention the hamstring issue from the preseason.

  • Yngwie

    Mangini ought to stay. Ryan ought to stay for sure. Daboll ought to go.

    The team in general plays hard, and the D is NOT a bottom third of the league unit. They are 11th in scoring defense. They are T-12th in the league per play against the run, and 21st in the league per play against the pass (but 2nd in the league in INTs which is a huge mitigating factor.) Giving up 13 to BUF is not the problem. The Browns just have zero depth on offense, no really good WR, and are playing a QB who doesn’t give them the best chance to win but makes the most money. That said they ought to be beating the Bills… but the Bills are much improved from the beginning of the year. They’re now 3-2 in their last 5 and were a dropped catch from their best WR from beating BAL last week.

    This team talent-wise is about a 5.5 win team which is what Vegas said they would be. They are way better than last year, their draft picks on D look to have panned out exceptionally well. Getting 6 or 7 wins out of this team, this year, is still a net good job by the coaching staff imo.

  • Yngwie

    another stat i think is interesting: Delhomme’s ypa if he qualified would rank second to last in the NFL ahead of only Jimmy Clausen. Wallace would rank 19th out of 32, and McCoy would rank 7th. Those are probably a little skewed, but with Jake I can’t really think of any team we would have a measurable advantage over at QB.

  • bobby

    Going into the game the browns were 20th against the run, 22nd against the pass and 22nd total in yards given up.

  • BuckeyeDawg

    The point is to not let the opposition score points. I couldn’t care less about yards allowed by a defense. When you hold the opposition to 13 points, you should win…and if you don’t you can’t blame the defense.

    All around terrible execution by the coaching staff and the offense today. I was very much a supporter of bringing Mangini back next year going into this game…but if they play like that and lose the last 3, I might be changing my tune. I felt like I was watching weeks 1 and 2 all over again. All of the momentum that the Browns gained mid-season is gone. I feel like we are back to square one.

    Please let McCoy play the last three games. I can’t take DelHomme anymore.