July 28, 2014

While We’re Waiting…Fujita Says Colt’s a Young Drew Brees, and DET Eliminates NY

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Scott Fujita calls Colt McCoy a young Drew Brees on 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland:  “I think last season when Colt McCoy first got the nod as the starter and it wasn’t so much the play at that point it was just watching the way he commanded the huddle and the way he commanded the respect of the guys in the lockerroom and the way he was such a natural leader.

That was the thing that struck me the most being similar to Drew Brees. Drew is one of my best friends down there and played against his former team when he was with San Diego and I was with Kansas City. I got to know him really, really well over the years and Colt McCoy just reminded me of a young version of Drew Brees.

Obviously he is going to keep growing as a player and keep getting better and better, but in terms of those intangible leadership qualities? Colt has got that.”  [Sports Radio Interviews/ Steve Cuce]

One of three reasons given why Browns should sign TO: “The Browns don’t want to invest big money right on a free agent wide receiver. Terrell Owens can be had at a reasonable price (Let’s face it, he isn’t working in the NFL right now so I’m guessing he’d jump at league minimum).

I understood why the Browns didn’t spend big money on a wide receiver from the free agent market. You need to have receivers who work well with the style of your quarterback. Can they run the long routes like Randy Moss or Chad Ochocinco? Can they catch a pass in the backfield and use their running ability to turn it into an 80-yard TD run like Josh Cribbs or Calvin Johnson?

Different receivers have different skill sets and they need to compeiment the quarterback. Until this team makes a determination on Colt McCoy, spending big money doesn’t make sense.”  [Dawg Pound Daily / Kate Arhar]

White Sox hire Robin Ventura to replace Ozzie: “The Chicago White Sox’s hiring of Robin Ventura on Thursday is so puzzling that the easiest explanation has to be the correct one. GM Kenny Williams and owner Jerry Reinsdorf looked at the field chart from the 1993 AL West champions and simply moved one position to the right of Ozzie Guillen and Joey Cora.

If the pattern continues, Ron Karkovice better make sure he’s not busy in a year or two.Unorthodox would be one way to describe this move. Insanity that only Guillen could love would be another. Ventura has not managed or coached on any level in professional baseball since retiring in 2004.

A profile in the Los Angeles Times this past summer said he recently worked as a volunteer assistant for Arroyo Grande High School. He has occasionally worked on College World Series and White Sox broadcasts, and he started serving as a special assistant to the White Sox in June. Old teammate Frank Thomas calls him “a great instructor.”‘ [Big League Stew / Duk]

Mo Clarett and Troy Smith talk Tressel and OSU prior to Omaha / Las Vegas minor league pro game:  “Both Smith and Clarett felt that Tressel, the man who recruited them and the architect of the dynasty, had been done wrong. They both still talk to their coach. Clarett spoke to Tressel on Monday night and said he intends to coach again, probably on the pro level.

“I don’t believe he was trying to cover anything up,” Clarett said. “This man goes into people’s homes and understands where (recruits) come from, understand they don’t have mothers and fathers. He’s responsible for what happens to your sons. That transcends the NCAA, transcends the university. Gene Smith should have gone to him and they should have figured something out. But to act like he was trying to do something bad, that’s wrong. He actually cared about the people. I believe Gene Smith knows the truth. And I can pretty much leave it at that.”

Troy Smith said: “There’s no doubt he was wronged. I don’t know how many college coaches would jump on the sword for somebody else’s kids, like he did. Obviously, it wasn’t just a recruiting tool when I came to Ohio State because he did it for hundreds of other kids. The only thing I feel emotions about is Coach Tressel. Without Jim Tressel, I wouldn’t have had a chance to play quarterback in the Big Ten. As far as the other stuff, I don’t get emotional about it. Ohio State will be here for a long time after I’m gone, know what I mean?

“I want to tell the truth about what I think of my school, but the last time I spoke my mind, I got ripped for it.”

That said, Smith is excited about the matchup between his old school and the new place where he’s hanging out until he gets another call from the NFL.” [Omaha.com / Tom Shatel]

Yankees lose at home: “In the end, three runs would be enough (just barely) thanks to some great clutch pitching.  Starter Doug Fister, pitching on three days rest, worked his way out of jams in the second, third and fourth.  He struckout Posada with a man on second to end the second.  He tied up Robinoson Cano just enough to get him to fly to center with two on and two out in the third.  He then survived a bases loaded mess in the fourth, getting the final two outs on easy infield pop ups. The only run against Fister was a solo homer by Cano in the fifth.

Game-two winner Max Scherzer, came in to start the fifth and got four outs.  He left after an infield hit by shortstop Derek Jeter with one down in the seventh.  Then it got really scary.  Reliever Joaquin Benoit allowed two hits, including a single under his glove that should have been an easy out.  He then walked slugger Mark Teixeira to make it a one run ball game.  Sandwiched around the walk, however, were punch outs of Alex Rodriguez and Nick Swisher.

They now had a one run lead with two innings to go, a situation where they had gone 79-0 this year.  It never felt safe though.  The final out of the eighth was a blast to deep right by Jeter which looked like it might clear the wall for A Yankees lead.  Instead Kelly caught it right at the fence.

The ninth inning belonged to closer Jose Valverde as always.  He retired Curtis Granderson and Robinson Cano on fly balls.  Then he struckout ARod for the final out.  Papa Grande did his save dance for the 51st time this year and was mobbed by teammates.” [Tigers Tales / Lee Panas]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Harv 21

    Yes, they should absolutely bring TO into a locker room where a rookie head coach is doubling as the OC and struggling to get a hold on how to use the young players he has, players who are already stewing about their number of touches.

    What could go wrong.

  • Mark

    I could go for the TO move if we can come up with a contest predicting what horrible things would go wrong. Maybe in haiku form?

  • Pat

    Im not in huge favor of bringing in someone like TO because of the problems he brings along, but a veteran presence for the receiving core is something this team needs. the receivers cant get separation on opposing DBs and someone with TO’s game knowledge could help with that and maybe having someone other than Robert Royal or Peyton Hillis catching passes consistently. McCoy wouldnt have had to throw 61 times last week if there werent so many drops

  • Garry Owen

    Didn’t Owens just tear his ACL or something? Why would we bring in a broke-down 37-year-old narcissistic megalomaniac to scream at Colt on every down about why he wasn’t thrown the ball while under a blanket of stifling double-coverage? As it is, we have plenty of guys that can’t get open – but at least they do it with their mouths shut.

  • mgbode

    Ventura is the 17th White Sox manager who used to play for the team. It’s just what they do.

    Doubt he has as much success doing it as AZ has done with Gibson, but it’s not really that bad of a plan (the nitty gritty work is done by the stat-guys, hitting coaches, pitching coaches, etc. the manager has to be the CEO with the overall vision).

    that said, I hope he flames out famously. hate those pesky W-Sox.

  • mgbode

    and TO would be a stupid sign. he’s old, washed-up, and it’s not like he is known as a great mentor for younger WRs.

    let’s just let the kids get as many rep’s as they can. if they aren’t good enough, then we can use one of our 2 1st rounders on what could be the best selection of WRs to come out of college in years (Blackmon please…but Jeffries isn’t a bad consolation prize)

  • Jack

    Colt McCoy is a young Drew Brees with his younger sister’s arm.

    Kid will never be a great QB and you can’t win w/o a great QB.

    Should’ve gone 1-15, got Luck, been great for a decade.

    Nice.

  • mgbode

    @Jack – they said the same thing about Brees early on. Yes, it is an absolute ceiling for young Colt to ever live up to the Brees potential, but it is a possibility. Just take a look at Brees first 2 years starting for the Chargers:

    2002 61% 17TDs 16INTs 6.2YPA (16 games)
    2003 58% 11TDs 18INTs 5.9YPA (11 games)

    Colt’s so far:

    2010 61% 6TDs 9INTs 5.8YPA (8 games)
    2011 58% 5TDs 3INTs 5.6YPA (4 games)

    Also, take a look at Colt’s peripheral stats. He’s just behind Flacco and Roethlisburger so far this year. I agree he’s probably closer to his DVOA ranking of 21 but that is still well ahead of guys like Kolb, Cutler, Dalton, Sanchez, etc. (look to link for explanation of stat)

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

  • -bobby-

    @mgbode- I dont doubt Colts numbers, but hes not passing the “eye test” for me. There are just passes that you look at sometimes and question, Did THAT just come out of our QBs hands?? Not that he cant get better, and heres hoping he shows something later, but theres something lacking right now. I think one of the first drives (I think the 1st FG drive) from last game Colt had a pass that went to Watson’s knees. If he would have thrown it overtop of Watson towards the 5 yard line we have a TD. Where the ball was thrown, the best case was a 1st down where he caught it. Im just not seeing the types of throws that the big time QBs make. And I dont necessarily need to see those getting completed but seeing them being made shows me that he sees the open field and chance for big plays.

    As for TO- the question is why would he want to come play for nothing in Cleveland? signing him to finish out the year does not make this offense great and quite frankly he wouldn’t do it anyways.

  • Vengeful Pat

    @mgbode you beat me to the punch! I’ve been saying the very same thing about Brees/McCoy for a while now. For some reason people assume Brees had a big arm coming out of college… he did not, that’s why he slipped to the second round. Fujita was only talking about leadership, but I don’t think there is a better example of what Colt McCoy could optimally become than Drew Brees.

  • Jack

    I get it. But I don’t. Stats don’t mean a a lot.

    There are so many plays that look broken simply because Colt can’t even attempt to make the available throws or to take chances downfield.

    The game is changing.

    I know Fujita was just talking leadership…but that’s the problem–we’re always talking leadership.

    He can’t make 1/3-1/2 of necessary NFL throws to have a potent offensive attack.

  • Jack

    Besides, wanting to believe in him is shortsighted.

    If Luck lives up to HALF the hype, he is better than Colt’s ceiling.

    Be good for a decade for one more year of misery? Yes, PLEASE!

    PLEASE GET ME A FRANCHISE QB.

  • Vengeful Pat

    @Jack, I think the point is that you don’t know who is going to be a franchise QB. Plenty of stud college QBs bomb in the NFL and mediocre-looking guys like Drew Brees and Tom Brady turn into studs. The one quality they all share that’s obvious is leadership.

  • -bobby-

    VP- Luck seems to have some good leadership at Stanford, or at least nothing has come out against it. I share Jack’s thoughts that if we are in a position by April where we are top 5 of the draft, its a failure not getting Luck. Like I said before though, hopefully McCoy shows he can see the throws he needs to start attempting. I dont care about his completion % if hes hitting recievers or a step ahead of them you can put that on low quality WRs. Right now hes not making the throws to give them the chances IMO.

  • mgbode

    @Jack – I agree that I would prefer Luck to Colt, but we already have too many wins for that particular sweepstakes :)
    And, while stats do not provide the whole picture, they do show quite a bit. Take a look at that site I gave. Basically the sabr site for football; some cool stuff there.

    @bobby – I agree. vs. Tenn he had many passes thrown behind his WRs where they should have had YAC and he had Hardesty drop 4 passes himself (along with 2 other drops that I counted). That said, he completed nearly 2/3 of his passes. If he fixed those, then he would have been over 80%. The main thing he needs to learn to set his feet better in the pocket (somehow he does a better job of this on the move – probably because he thinks about it more).