August 18, 2014

NFL Draft: Bullet point thoughts on RG3 and the Browns

On a day where I’m having trouble thinking about anything but the crazy news out of the next town over from me, I am trying to distract myself with RG3 stuff.  And I find it all confusing.

  • I’ve said it before, and I know the logic isn’t sound, but I have a lot of trouble figuring out how it makes sense to trade up with massive compensation for the Rams for the consensus second best quarterback in the draft.
  • The logic stinks because some years Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers come out together and everyone wins.
  • That was hard to fathom even when we thought the price tag was going to be the Browns’ #4 and #22 picks.  Now the rumors are that Washington is going to trade large parts of the next two NFL drafts for the right to grab RG3 at #2.
  • The last time the Browns traded up they did so for Brady Quinn. Even though it didn’t pan out, I thought it was a good gamble.
  • Then again, the pick the Browns traded to the Cowboys ended up being Felix Jones.  He’s had a mediocre 4-year career in Dallas, but there is little doubt that he would have finished in the top five of our most recent poll ranking the best Browns runners since 1999.
  • But the Browns don’t have a dynamic playmaker on offense, really. The thought of having a dude with serious speed and a rocket arm, seemingly capable of taking it to the house on every play while playing the position that guarantees he will touch the ball on every offensive snap is indescribably exciting.
  • Imagine him extending a play as pressure explodes up the middle. He rolls right, outrunning the defensive line and linebackers. He has 7 free yards in front of him to the sideline and Greg Little is breaking deep. The corner has to make a choice and either choice is a loss for his defense.  This could happen twice a game if not more with someone like RG3 as your quarterback.
  • Apparently the Browns are showing “uninterested signals” with regard to RG3.
  • In that same post people are alleging that the Browns’ staff is “confused” on what to do with Griffin’s skill set. I would like to think this is just a communication error.  I’d like to think someone on Browns staff said, “What do you do with a guy like that? I mean he has so many skills and there are so many gameplans, but he has the ability to supercede those plans by improvising.” In that scenario, “confused” isn’t a loaded word, just simple fact with regard to a talent that isn’t easily defined in a gameplan usually marked by orderly schemes of X’s and O’s. I mean Barry Sanders was instructed to “run right,” but after that you never knew where the play would end up.
  • When was the last time a trade up worked? The Brady Quinn thing failed miserably for the Browns. Technically the Browns traded up to draft Phil Taylor, but that’s not the kind of trade I’m talking about.
  • Ricky Williams hardly seemed to be worth what the Saints and Ditka traded to get him. You’ll remember Ditka traded his entire 1999 draft plus 1st and 3rd in 2000. That first pick in 2000 was the #2 pick overall as the Redskins selected LaVar Arrington.
  • The New York Jets probably don’t miss any of the trade pieces they traded to the Browns to move up to get Mark Sanchez. Then again if the Browns had drafted LeSean McCoy (#53) instead of David Veikune (#52) with the Jets’ pick, how do you think they would feel today?
  • Just because trades up in the past haven’t worked doesn’t mean that trades up in the future won’t.

And with that, I remain just as confused as when I started thinking about the RG3 stuff.  Back then I thought the price was just going to be #4 and #22.  Maybe I was being naive.

I guess my summary for now is that Robert Griffin III is certainly a player worth drafting. He is certainly worth trading up to get within reason. If the Browns determine as an organization that they can build around him for the next five years then they should do it. In the end, though, it is my suspicion that the Browns feel it is premature in the team’s development to mortgage the next couple drafts for any one player.

If the Browns draft well this year, I think they might finally be well-positioned to take a gamble next season after they finish establishing young depth in this year’s draft. Right, wrong or indifferent, that is my suspicion as to what Holmgren and Heckert will do.

But man I think it could be really exciting to see RG3 running the Browns offense.

  • Max

    anyone else have that poster where she was wearing the Devils jersey?

  • Max

    just played Tecmo SB last night. Bo is better than you remember

  • Harv 21

    So it is written. So it shall be done.

  • Ritz

     But you have to be in position to draft or trade up and get him.

  • Ritz

    Yes but one of the 1st rounders is cancelled out by the 1st from St. Louis.

    It looks like this:

    Browns Get:
    1st in 2012 (2nd overall)

    Rams Get
    1st in 2012 (4th overall)
    1st in 2012 (22nd overall)
    2nd in 2012 (or first next year perhaps)

    So we have 2 less picks. Not 3 less.

    The only reason WAS would include next years 1st rounder is because they only have one this year. We have two. STL wants 2 first rounders at least. Our’s would both be in this year. WAS would be this year and next year.

  • BrownieBob

    Let me pose the question again……Are we better off giving away alot to move up to get RG3…or should we do something stunning and perhaps WE trade with WAS….Swap 4 & 6.. so they can get RG3…..and we also get their 1st and 2nd next year……screw ST Louis….if we are NOT going to trade up for RG3 then why let St. Louis have all the bounty…..WAS only needs to get to 4 with us out of the pic…..we ask for a little less in the trade…..and we now come away with 4 first rounders and 3 second rounders in total for this and next years draft…..that makes for a LOT of potential good/great players….thoughts?…..oh and dont worry about Miami or Seattle……remember Manning and Flynn will be somewhere….wanna guess where?…

  • Mwoods1219

    I think they need to do what it takes to get RG3. Preferably if it were giving up #4, 22, and next years 2nd rounder. I mean it’s pretty much unanimous this kid is worth the risk. If for some reason he turns out to be a bust(which I don’t think he will be, heck at least the Browns are showing us they are serious about wanting to win and turn this around. I’m tired of losing. Griffin will fill seats. Season ticket holder here.

  • mgbode

    but it still costs 3 picks to draft RGIII.  that’s the way I say it/view it too.

    instead of costing 1 pick.  it’s a difference of 2 picks, but the total cost is 3 :)

  • mgbode

    “I think they need to do what it takes to get RG3.”

    that’s Ditka talk right there.

    “it’s pretty much unanimous this kid is worth the risk”

    please re-read the comment section of this thread.

    “If for some reason he turns out to be a bust, heck at least the Browns are showing us they are serious about wanting to win and turn this around”

    if he does bust, then not only would we be stuck trying to figure out if he is a real bust for 3-4 seasons, but we will also be stuck trying to bandaid spots we could have potentially have lynchpins in whatever it cost us to trade-up.

    that’s not to say that we shouldn’t trade up.  but, if he busts, then we will all be upset and the ‘moral victory’ of being serious about getting a franchise QB will last about as long as it did when we saw Brady Quinn hit the field.

  • crobarred

    Schefter is saying it may take a deal like the one San Diego and New York made for Rivers/Eli which was five picks.  Too rich for my blood on a team which has many, many needs.

  • porkchpxprss

    This is the type of thinking I’m hoping is going on in Berea.  My original thought was to announce that we are not interested in moving up, so that there is no bidder against Wash, which would lower their offer, which would make St. Louis reconsider whether its worth moving down, and giving up a possible lockdown LT.     
    I would like to think that Cold War level intrigue is going on during the draft season, and I hope calling up Wash is part of that. 
    I wonder how Minne. is just taking this sitting down.  The only 2 teams we know aren’t taking RG are Indy and St. Louis.  If you are Minnesota, and had a real shaky performance from Ponder, how do you not make noise that you really like Griffin but aren’t sure.  Here is your chance to net 2-3 extra picks or make an upgrade at QB and they are just sitting there.

  • porkchpxprss

    That was supposed to be in reply to Brownie Bobs suggestion to call Wash directly and cut St. Louis out.

  • Natedawg86

    I just hope if this happens, they take the later 2nd or early 3rd.  We have other holes!

  • Natedawg86

    I just hope if this happens, they take the later 2nd or early 3rd.  We have other holes!

  • Natedawg86

    I just hope if this happens, they take the later 2nd or early 3rd.  We have other holes!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     False. 100 times false.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     I personally hope STL falls in love with Kalil because I doubt he gets past Minny. Then that puts Minnesota in a spot to trade down because they could go to #6 and still get Reiff who is the 2nd best LT- if thats the true position Minny wants. So there are a ton of variables, and until FA comes through no one really can say anything.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     If you never take a risk you never take a risk to get good.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     If you never take a risk you never take a risk to get good.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     If you never take a risk you never take a risk to get good.

  • BenRM

    You say that now, until next year, when the same hype man is available. 

    If we were talking about Andrew Luck, I’d agree. Guys like him are few and far between

  • BenRM

    You say that now, until next year, when the same hype man is available. 

    If we were talking about Andrew Luck, I’d agree. Guys like him are few and far between

  • BenRM

    You say that now, until next year, when the same hype man is available. 

    If we were talking about Andrew Luck, I’d agree. Guys like him are few and far between

  • Garry_Owen

    “On a day where I’m having trouble thinking about anything but the crazy news out of the next town over from me . . .”

    Agree, Craig.  I was home in Chardon for the weekend, through yesterday.  Perspective is valuable.  Really makes me not care much whether we draft Griffin and trade 10 years’ worth of picks to do so.  Still, relief from grief is also valuable.  Thanks for the brief mental sabbatical to think about sports for a bit. 

     

  • Natedawg86

    Not to mention STUDS getting old, yeah I am looking at you Joe (haden and thomas)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     Ok if you mean just the hype behind a guy, I can agree. I try not to buy into hype usually, but you can see something different on the field with him.

  • Melch23

    ok the browns trade up to the #2 pick. the rams get the #4 and #22.
    what makes you think they wont trade down from 4? wrap your head around the browns possibly making the rams a juggernaught for years to come. i

  • Henry Brown

    If you don’t know why do you keep talking? Maybe you should spend more time listening or reading about him until you actually know something or can contribute to the discussion.

  • Henry Brown

    It may be 3-4 picks but only 2 of them will be first rounders.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_I6423N7UCT3SVURBC55JGXFYAU Bobby

     Because acquiring draft picks makes you a juggernaut? I thought players win championships… Draft picks dont mean you have good players. Acquiring good players will make you a juggernaut. Typically trading out of the top 5 decreases your opportunity to get the best player available.

  • Mrobinson14

    From what I’ve read, apparently the Rams are sending signals back to the Browns by saying that they would take Claiborne if Blackmon is not there… basically saying, “We don’t need to trade with you, so your offer better be good.”

  • mgbode

    that makes no sense.   TB desperately needs a CB and Claiborne is considered a better overall prospect than Blackmon on most sites.

    either way, there is a very good chance that both of those guys are gone by #6.   so, unless they are telling us they love Poe or Still or Reiff, then they can go pound sand (and even then)   :)

    no deal until FA is done!  (call the bluff)

  • Believelander

    We traded up to get Bernie Kosar.

    #justsayin

  • Browns fan mike

    look the browns have to get this man. he would light up cleveland and get to keep the stadium full in november and december. think of the buzz around town this summer if we had him. jersey sales would be through the rook. last time we took a huge chance was in 1985. to get bernie kosar it coast us 4 picks including 2 first rounders to be in position to draft him 1st overall in the supplemental draft. we all see how that gamble paid off. browns fans don’t think for the minimum. matt flinn is a 7th round pick with not even 5 games in the pros. that’s not the answer. think big. think RGIII…..

  • Browns fan mike

    yes because the year before we finished 5-11 and we didn’t have the rights to that pick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Kosar go to contents and click on 3 NFL Draft controversy  cool stuff i didn’t know til this week.