July 24, 2014

Cavs Win Coin Toss Tiebreakers for NBA Draft

Some good non-football news hit Cleveland today: The Cavaliers won a pair of tiebreakers to decide positioning in the NBA Draft. First, the team won a coin toss to break a tie with the Sacramento Kings New Orleans Hornets for the third spot, then via the Los Angeles Lakers pick, the team won another coin toss tiebreaker for the No. 24 spot. (Sorry folks, got confused with Kings recent win and Hornets in the tie. You all are the best.)

What this means for the early pick is that if neither team moves up to the top three in the lottery format, the Cavs are guaranteed to pick above the Kings Hornets. This assures Cleveland of picking no lower than sixth in the draft. Cleveland also won a bit of positioning with the Lakers selection, boosting the team’s offseason assets just a little bit more.

By the looks of it so far, last year’s luck might be riding the Cavs way again. Even Nick Gilbert was on hand for today, as Dan Gilbert pointed out on Twitter:

Fans will have to wait a while for the next possible bit of draft luck, however, as the lottery is not for another five weeks until May 30. Cavs will have 138 combinations out of 1,000 (13.8 percent) while the New Orleans Hornets will have 137.

[Related: WFNY 2012 NBA Draft Not-So-Big Board 2.1]

(Source: @WFNYScott on Twitter)

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Nick Gilbert should overthrow his old man ‘cuz the kid is en fuego!!!  Anthony Davis here we come baby!

  • BrownsFanSF

    Hope he’s got the bow tie ready to go

  • Harv 21

    I’ve got mine. And the Elvis Costello glasses. Let’s do this thing.

  • bumsquare

    I believe the coin flip was with the Hornets, no?

  • Derealdeal220

    I thought the tie was with NO

  • Kevin Wagner

    yeah, hornets

  • Chooch

    yeah narc

  • BrownsFanSF

    I think we just came up with a Lottery Party theme

  • mgbode

    Nick is now 3-0

  • EyesAbove

    Maybe Gilbert should buy the Indians and put Nick in charge, he surely would have flipped White and Pomeranz for a 5 tool outfielder, the kid is gold! :D

  • CavsFanInLA

    Very good news…

    A month ago, it seemed like a pipe-dream and very unlikely that the Cavs would be able to “strategically tank” to third place, and that the #4 position was a long-shot.

    This will be an exciting draft.

  • CavsFanInLA

    I also just read that the Lakers won the “coin toss” with the Grizzlies, so apparently the Cavs will also be picking 24th with the acquired Lakers first round pick.

    Go Cavaliers  :)

  • CavsFanInLA

    I wrote that before seeing the revision in this article adding that info about the Lakers pick.  :)

  • tony

    I think we gonna get the number one pick again Anthony Davis playing with Irving

  • mgbode

    My Cavs top6 Big Board (since that’s as low as we’ll pick)
    1. Anthony Davis
    2. MKG
    3. Bradley Beal
    4. Jeremy Lamb
    5. Harrison Barnes
    6. Thomas Robinson (he won’t last to #6, so it won’t matter anyways)

    #24 pick possibilities

    SGs
    Terrence Ross, Wash
    Doron Lamb, Kentucky
    Dion Waiters, Cuse
    John Jenkins, Vandy

    SF
    Moe Harkless, St Johns
    Jeffrey Taylor, Vandy
    Tony Mitchell, North Texas

    Other
    Fab Melo, C
    Festus Ezeli, C
    Kevin Jones, PF
    Draymond Green, PF

  • Vindictive_Pat

    That kid is pure gold.  Go fetch us Anthony Davis Nick!

  • Dombard

    Trade that second 1st round pick,varejao and get another top ten pick… kid Gilchrist and davis? And irving? Yes please.

  • CavsFanInLA

    Hey MG…

    You REALLY would take Jeremy Lamb at #4?

    From scouting reports, H. Barnes seems more of a certain pick than Lamb, who apparently sometimes has poor shot selection and sometimes isn’t aggressive enough to get to the free throw line.

    And, I would move Robinson up as well, even though I know we already have Tristan.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I think Robinson will go before either Barnes or Lamb but it’ll depend on the team.  I like the “Other” particularly Melo, Ezeli and Green. 

  • cleveland__rocks

    lamb is a reach for top 5.

  • mgbode

    I agree.   I think even if we select at #4, we’ll get Beal because Robinson goes top3. 

  • Steve

     I’m not sure which lottery team will give up a chance at a 19-23 year old to take an older, injury-prone Varejao, but maybe. But you’re definitely not getting a second top 3 pick, which is what it will take to get both MKG and Davis.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Beal, MKG or Tyler Zeller are all fine with me.  Probably the backcourt help first depending on where the Cavaliers end up.

  • BrownsFanSF

    It’s possible for Drummond to land somewhere in the top 5 as well.  I wouldn’t be blown away if someone takes a chance on him at 4, depending on which team lands there

    (I do think someone would be crazy to take him over Beal, but NBA GMs do strange things with players around 7 feet)

  • mgbode

    yes, it is.  I don’t like Drummond but I could see someone getting captivated by his true-C size.

  • mgbode

    yes.  Lamb had 1 less FT/game than Barnes on equal shots/game.  Not sure how that shows lack of aggression unless it is in both.  He does like the Wade-style stop-n-shot in the midrange game. 

    Lamb(48%) is a better shooter than Barnes(44%)

    Lamb and Barnes are equal in 3pt shooting (both shot 36% in years taking 4 per game and 34% when taking 6 per game)

    Lamb is much better at stealing the ball (1.2/game – 0.7/game) due to his ridiculous wingspan.

    Lamb is almost equal in rebounding despite his lack of girth (4.9 – 5.1 though in more minutes).

    Lamb and Barnes are equal in passing the ball (both by assist numbers and the good ole eye test)

    Barnes is 6’8″ 215lbs but projects to SF by most. 
    Lamb is 6’5″ and 180lbs.  He’s rail thin and needs to add strength/weight so that guys like Kobe/Wade don’t abuse him down low.

    Lamb plays with much more intensity on the court than Barnes.  He’s reportedly has a great work ethic, etc.
    Barnes has been working on his brand since HS.

    And finally, this one is mostly opinion, but Lamb was used all wrong this year by UConn.  He is a great spot-up shooter when the ball is not in his hands (running around picks, setting up outside, etc), but UConn made him play like a mini-Kemba this year, which is not his game.  Despite that, he put up numbers better overall to Barnes (more equal if you go to per minute, but then factoring in pace, JLamb goes out ahead again).

    I know many will have Barnes ahead, but I think it’s a real question of who will be the better pro player and I personally think it will be J.Lamb.

  • mgbode

    see my post on Lamb above.

  • mgbode

    yeah, maybe you get a late lottery team to bite and Henson drops there, who projects to be an Anderson Varejao type guy.  the good thing is that you start fresh with him (basically locked into 6-7years if he’s good), the bad thing is if he doesn’t pan out then you lost AV.

  • BrownsFanSF

    I don’t either.  I like to follow the basic rule that by the time you say “If they get it they’re gonna be great” about an NBA player, they aren’t ever gonna get it.  That kinda applies for both Drummond and Barnes

  • CavsFanInLA

    Great stats and facts, MG.

    It just proves how deep this year’s draft really is.