Cleveland Browns Draft Reset: Day Three

I just can’t get over how much paranoia this regime has. Who is whispering there ear that any of these guys were going to get taken before their next pick. Weeden easily couldve been taken at 37, schwartz who?? No way he was going before adams, massie, etc on anyone elses board and then 80′s director john hughes who himself had no idea he would be picked before today. That sure says a lot about his confidence… How the hell do we not address wr at 37 when hill and randle are still available?? Where are these random picks coming from and who is evaluating them to be higher than every other scout?

Also, let’s add some pedigree today….

Who would be angry with Al Toon’s son, or Frank Minnifield’s kid?

Both can play, fill a need, and can play ball…

you never know how teams have guys rated after the first round. Last year when the browns took jabaal sheard at 37 i thought it was a joke because i had a draft magazine that had him as a 4th round pick. Turns out the kid was the best pick last year for us and a good pass rusher with the instincts to strip the ball. Lets wait until these guys play to make judgements.

Its not exactly like people were lined up to take stephen hill and reuben randle

I saw it was Hughes’ birthday yesterday too. Maybe this guy is extremely lucky, and that luck will follow him on the field, too? Grasping at straws here, sorry.

What would your point be? Other than Jabaal Sheard, Heckert’s drafting in the 2nd round and on is questionable at best. Don’t throw TJ Ward at me the guy hasn’t even played a season and a half worth of football and was ineffective last year. 

Every player drafted in 2011 still has  a chance to be a major contributor on this team, that is incredible top-to-bottom value. Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, and Greg Little all were hits in the first two rounds. Expecting anything more than a rotation player from the 4th round on is delusional 

I thought Reiff was the best RT myself which is why when they took Weeden at #22 and Reiff went the very next pick I was annoyed.  Okay more then annoyed.  I still maintain Weeden was the #37 pick but oh well.

If they can, wait let me rephrase, if they get a WR coming up then they in fact addressed the most areas of need on offense.  Just not as well as they could but that’s getting nit picky.  I’m hoping they draft 2 more WRs along with a CB and OLB.

I don’t love Chase Minnifield, but I agree would be okay to take him in the 5th or 6th round.

I am getting annoyed with hearing statements like “let’s give Hughes a chance.”  Nobody is going to show up and boycott Hughes.  Nobody is going to sit there and sulk when he takes the field.  We’re all going to give him a chance and root for him because he’s a Cleveland Brown.  That doesn’t mean that the evidence doesn’t point to him being selected way too early.  Personally, I have no problem being disappointed with the Browns for that pick because it really seems like they missed an opportunity to improve a position of need (for pete’s sake, they took a backup defensive tackle when CB Jayron Hosley was taken right behind him, a starting caliber CB).

also, if Phil Taylor is such a hit, then why did we need to get another DT in the third round this year? A rotational guy, sure, I can see that in the 4th round or later, but if Taylor is so good, I don’t see why you have to invest in such a high pick to back him up

Depth is always important but I agree with those that don’t get why for the second year it was more important then selecting a player needed immediately elsewhere.  They did the same thing last year when they drafted Cameron.

The guy could always turn into something that always applies but even worse then not selecting a CB is them still not drafting a WR.  It doesn’t make sense that you upgrade the offense by drafting a RB, QB and RT but no WR, yet.  I’m hoping they draft at least one WR otherwise I’ll be even more confused on what they see at that position.  Maybe they think all the problems were McCoy.

Who says we needed to take a receiver then?  Look, I’m not even saying the pick was bad… just correcting you that he wasn’t actually very successful last year and needs to get better.  As I said, Shurmur made it a point to target Little (he said so… made Little a starter and made statements like “we’re going to get him the ball”).  More targets = more yards.

Sorry man, but your spouting optimistic platitudes doesn’t necessarily make them so. Calling Taylor a “hit” is questionable at this point. I do LOVE Sheard so far, but I hope he doesn’t plateau like Haden did in his 2nd year. That’s the one pick I love in 2 years (I like Haden, but I need to see him make that jump from solid to very good/elite this year–that means not getting burned on a big play nearly every game, especially when up against a great WR. He hit a plateau early last year imo). Little is certainly not a hit. I can’t fathom how the same fanbase who ran Braylon out of town includes the same people are in love with this guy at all. To be fair to you, you’re not an outlier in loving Little at all. But I don’t get it. He’s got tools, but he better take a big leap this year. 

As for why guys like Jordan Cameron and Owen Marecic have a “chance to be major contributors on this team,” well… that’s a product of the team they’re on more than their skill at this point. 

Marecic and Hardesty alone are giant indictments on this regime. Missing on these picks was one thing; every GM misses. But swapping Vickers for Marecic and panicking to move UP for Bustario Hardesty in the SECOND ROUND just bespeaks the whole problem I have with this regime: they panic, overvalue, and reach for guys. There’s no point in having X number of picks if we are going to panic in using them. 

Exactly I’m missing something with the rationales.

I’d love to stick around and quell the backlash with my platitudes (great SAT word DonFelder!), but I’d rather watch the Indians play a live sporting event than piss and moan about players I know NOTHING about. Take care fellas, I’ll be back soon. 

Good note, Jim Bear… we’ll look into that.

 I agree with Don Felder.  Most of Heckert’s draft picks are reaches.  If he really likes a guy that apparently no other team values as highly, I don’t know why he picks that player as early as he does: eg. Weeden was a 2nd round pick, Schwartz a late 2nd or 3rd round pick and Hughes a 4th-6th round pick. 

The Weeden pick is very questionable since he’s apparently trying to make McCoy the scapegoat for the team’s bad season by failing to acknowledge that the O line was subpar, the receivers are THE WORST in the league without question and there was no running game.  All of the great QBs have good receivers and running games (eg. Peyton Manning with Marshall Faulk, Eggerin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark etc.).  Heckert et al threw McCoy under the bus without giving him an opportunity to succeed and by drafting the 28 year old Weeden (he’s already older than 21 of the starting QBs in the league), they’re apparently sending the message that it’s not their fault the offense was so bad by not competently acquiring good offensive players, it was all McCoy’s fault.  I guess McCoy was supposed to block for himself, run the ball, throw it and catch it all himself.  I’m not saying McCoy is hall of fame material but give the guy a decent chance to see what he can do with a decent supporting cast before wasting a 1st round pick at a position that’s not a need like WR and OL is.

Well then how come they didn’t have anyone picked for the 67 slot? They then “reached” at 87. It will determine Heckarts legacy in my book if any of those 20 players turn out better than Hughes, though I dont hate the Hughes pick.

These fans wont be happy without a diva WR. Though we could have had one if we had actually looked into a FA   RT.

Reiff drafted to be a LT and the grades between Reiff, Glenn, Schwartz, Osemele all pretty close.  Never got the Massie love and was not surprised to see him drop.

Best post I’ve seen in a while.