June 19, 2013

While We’re Waiting… More on Perez, double-play combo and thin at LB

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“Perez’ words were not meant as a way to be traded, nor were they a lack of respect towards the Clevelanders who do buy team merchandise, come out to the park and help pay his salary. But respect, appreciation and praise are not hand-in-hand on a leisurely stroll. For the fans of a team which has not won a championship since 1948 to demand excellence from a player who makes a living playing a game often decided by fluke is egregious at best. For a town that opts for hand-wringing and excuse-hurling when free agents opt for greener pastures — it’s the system, its the owners! — and one which could be in the hunt to acquire more talent once again this very summer, this incident potentially stands as the worst sales pitch in recent memory.” [Scott/Still WFNY]

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“Thirty-four players have started a game at second base since the club traded Alomar following the 2001 season. Ricky Gutierrez, Brandon Phillips, Ronnie Belliard and Josh Barfield all came and went. Even Cabrera joined the big league club as a second baseman in 2007 to pair with shortstop Jhonny Peralta, who succeeded Vizquel. Cabrera was deemed too talented defensively to keep sequestered at second, so the club shifted him to the left side, which reopened the black hole next door. The Tribe shuffled through Luis Valbuena, Jamey Carroll and Orlando Cabrera before finally settling on Kipnis last July.

In his first season at second base in 2010, Kipnis committed 23 errors in 121 games. He cut that down to 11 gaffes in 80 contests in 2011 before his promotion. The Northbrook, Ill., native made six errors in 36 games with Cleveland last season, and he has committed just one through 41 contests in 2012. Kipnis’ gradual reduction in defensive miscues is no coincidence.” [Meisel/MLB]

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“The Browns have not stopped the run since 1999 and, quietly, the Browns are taking steps to improve that deficiency. Run the ball, stop the run. It’s a pretty simple philosophy that has won a lot of professional football games. For now, there is not much the Browns can do to drastically improve their linebacking corps. The Browns could be OK if Johnson and Acho adapt quickly to the professional game; If Fujita and Jackson stay healthy and if the improved defensive line could mask issues with the linebackers.

That’s a lot of ifs.” [Delco/The OBR]

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Profiling Beal- “Bradley Beal, as a player, has been called “Ray Allen meets Eric Gordon.” Sign me up. The former Gator is another player in this draft that gives the Cavs that scorer to go next to Kyrie Irving. He is a prototypical shooting guard, in terms of his game and scoring prowess. Beal is a great shooter; he has had scouts attention since high school. He has a great shooting stroke and is able to stretch his range well past the 3-point line. He also thrives in the clutch, never in fear of taking that last shot.” [Mancini/Stepien Rules]

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Finally, a license plate we can get behind. [@Buckeye7254]

  • JNeids

    I, too, am shocked none of you had that license plate.

    As for Kipper, didn’t he really only get his chance last summer because Cord couldn’t cut it? Wasn’t Cord higher on the prospect chart? I might be wrong, and regardless I’m happy with how it worked out ’cause I love me some Kipper, but I wonder where they would be today if Phelps hadn’t pooped the bed after his early walk-off homer.

  • 5KMD

    In terms of Beal I wonder about his defensive prowess. I mean, if he’s there are 3 or 4 you have to take him but KI is already kind of a sieve on defense. I know you have to score to win, but you also have to get stops.

    But I guess that’s where Coach Scott would earn (or not earn) his money.

  • mgbode

    yeah, there would be defensive struggles on the perimeter for sure.  and while they have been good about being fair with their praise and criticism on most prospects, they sure let the praise just flow on that one.  even his deficiencies come with a “I don’t think his size will hurt him at all” disclaimer.

    anyways, still have to wait until May 30th.  if we get pick #1 or 2, then I dont’ think we worry about Beal.   if we get pick #3/4, then that’s where things get interesting.

  • mgbode

    Cord got the first shot because he was further along.  Kipnis was always considered the “better” prospect, but last year at this time we thought he was a year away.  Cord sort of accelerated his ascension.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Not to worry, I would say that “lack of defensive prowess” is the bill on most guards who are taken with high picks in the NBA draft.  If you think back to the guards taken in the first several picks of the last couple years, you’ve got (off the top of my head) Irving, Knight, Wall, Harden, Rubio, Flynn, Curry, Jennings, Rose… all poor defenders when they came into the league (and many still are).

  • Jay

    Perez really bugged me with his comments this last weekend. I understand his anger at getting booed, but the attendance will come. You just have to give Cleveland fans time to come. Some quick math for you (numbers were rounded):

    Brown:
    8 games, at 73,000 seats  = 584,000 tickets

    Cavs:
    41 games, at 20500 seats = 840,500 tickets

    Indians:
    81 games, at 43000 seats = 3,483,000 tickets.

    There are so many more tickets available for Tribe games throughout the season, and the economy sucks. We’re just not going to sell as many seats, and what would you rather go see? An Indians game in cloudy, 45 degree weather, or sunny, 72 degree weather? April and May are unpredictable in Cleveland, so naturally we won’t fill the stands as much. Add that to fans not sure where the team is going at any point in time, and it takes time to come.

    But I went to opening day, and I’m coming Wednesday. I’ll make it to another 3-4 games this year. But I’m poor – I can’t afford more. I need to pick and choose my games wisely.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    You stole my OKC Thunder!  The backcourt is about scoring let the frontcourt more specifically the center position play the defense.  The problem is the Cavaliers don’t have anyone in the backcourt who can score other then the ROY and they certainly don’t have a frontcourt presence who is a stopper.  Cue the draft!!!

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I like Beal he’d be a nice door prize if the Cavaliers aren’t able to land MKG. 

  • mgbode

    Rose was a good college defender.  You left off Westbrook who was a top pick and always thought highly of for his defensive prowess.

    Good point though that most don’t have it and have to work hard to earn it.

  • http://twitter.com/GreatestHurley Jason Hurley

    So…what you’re saying is that not everyone makes $5million plus/year?  …hmmm…

  • Jay

    Oh, I make $5 million a year….but I spend it all on champagne to bath in, and on my private jet that I keep stocked at all times with dozens of strippers. That stuff gets expensive. Tickets to games have to suffer ;)

  • Steve

     Rubio is an excellent defender and Harden is a decent one too. Vindictive is just throwing stuff at the wall here.

  • Steve

    I am appalled by the argument that “fans not sure where the team is going at any point”.

    If the Cavs were in 1st place at the quarter-pole, fans would be incredibly excited. If the Browns were in 1st place, cars would be on fire in the street. But when the Indians are in 1st? People still remain negative.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    He is doing no such thing.  In what world is Rubio a good defender?  Harden was not a good defender when he came into the league.  Let’s not confuse getting steals with being a good defender.

  • mgbode

    the one thing with Rubio is that you know what you are getting.  on offense, he will gamble recklessly with passes that look spectacular when not stolen.   on defense, he will gamble to cutoff passes or swipe the ball that looks spectacular when his guy doesn’t just blow past him.

    agree on Harden.  he has become one but he only cared about his shot his rookie year.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Bingo, and that’s the point I was trying to make… rookie guards taken in the top 10 are usually taken there because they are explosive scorers… they rarely come into the league playing good defense, and Beal will be no different.  He knows he’s in the NBA because he can score.  The defense eventually starts to catch up to the offense.

  • Steve

     http://basketballvalue.com/teamplayers.php?year=2011-2012&mode=summary&sortnumber=85&sortorder=ASC&team=MIN

    Rubio is a good defender in the world where we care how many points your team allows with you on the court.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Well shoot… stats certainly seem to prove me wrong.  I’ll admit that I didn’t do any statistical research, was just going from what I remembered.  My point is still valid about rookie guards selected in the top 10 though, so no harm done.