July 25, 2014

While We’re Waiting… Struggling starters, keeping McCoy and Cavs future

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“Want to hear a depressing stat? Two of the top four walk rates among Major League starters, entering Tuesday night, belong to the Indians’ top two starters — Justin Masterson (12.7 percent) and Ubaldo Jimenez (13.3). Personally, I’m inclined to give Masterson the benefit of the doubt. He was dominant on Opening Day against the Blue Jays, and 35 percent of the earned runs against him came in a single inning in Seattle.

Ubaldo? Well, I’m not as confident, simply because his complicated delivery has proven so difficult to repeat over the years. He has a 4.50 ERA with 5.3 walks per nine innings. If we were to somehow remove his magical first half of 2010 from the equation (a 2.20 ERA in 18 starts), he has a 4.02 ERA and 4.05 walks per nine in his career (135 starts). So I would expect some improvement from Jimenez over the long haul of the season, but I wouldn’t hold out hope for a major surge into elite status, based on the bulk of his career.” [Catrovince/MLB.com]

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One of the few voices not calling for the disposal of Colt- “The Browns had no running game last year – something they addressed by trading up to select RB Trent Richardson with third overall pick – and McCoy had no shot with that offense. As a result, the former Texas QB’s promise remains higher than his trade value. He will be just three years removed from a decorated college career in which he was one of the best QBs in Texas history. He was prolific and productive, leading the Longhorns to an undefeated regular season and a trip to the national championship game as a senior, and has garnered a reputation as a team-first leader both in college and the NFL. Everyone knows McCoy’s past – even if a reminder is necessary – but they should be able to glimpse into his future before Cleveland puts him on the trading block. A staggered McCoy limping through a 4-12 season in 2011 is not a fair indication of his ability, nor will it land Cleveland much in return.” [Olivieri/Lost Lettermen]

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“First, there’s the lottery (May 21), where the Cavs can draft no worse than the sixth pick. They also own the No. 24 selection (via the Lakers). Then comes potential trades and free-agent signings. Again, they’ll have plenty of competition in these areas. In order to make a trade, you need a dance partner. Often, the team you’re talking to backs out. Other times, they don’t offer you anything but a bad contract in return. Usually, discussions result in nothing beyond a “don’t call us, we’ll call you.”

This isn’t meant to downplay the Cavs’ options to reshape the roster, because they do indeed have plenty. But they need help. Both from the teams that want to beat them and free agents who will be courted by nearly every other franchise.” [Amico/FSO]

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“True, it sounds silly to put a lot of stock into division standings with over 80% of the regular season schedule to play; but with all the typical, gloomy skepticism (that comes with a championship-starved fan base) emanating from Tribe fans, it only seems proper to point out positive points worth extracting from a winning month.” [McGavin/Indians Prospect Insider]

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Finally, how about Kyrie Irving’s top ten plays? [Youtube]

  • MrCleaveland

    Looks like we could have us a good old fashioned quarterback controversy. 

    If anyone thought three months of arguing over the draft was exhausting, wait until we slog through five months of Weeden/McCoy.

  • mgbode

    ?  who is thinking that McCoy is going to be the long-term starter?

    I can see an argument for Colt starting the year (make sure Weeden is ready before putting his feet to the fire), but he’ll be the starter at some point this year.  I don’t think there is any controversy unless Colt does start the year and starts throwing for 300yds/3TDs per game.   In that case, I welcome it.

  • MrCleaveland

    Come on, mg, it’s not like you to underestimate the fans’ capacity for dissatisfaction with the current play of the Browns. Just because there shouldn’t be any controversy doesn’t mean there won’t be.

    Obviously, Weeden has proven nothing and earned nothing. Until he does, there will be those who think McCoy gives us a better chance to win the next game and to heck with the long term.

    I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying it is.

  • mgbode

    I fully expect some in the media to try to drum up that media.  maybe I’m giving too much credit to some fans.

    I was thinking that unless Colt blew the doors off in a start (either by starting right away or by Weeden injury), then most people would be thinking it’s more a 2009 Derek v. Quinn debate of which guy could possibly be worse than the 2008 Derek v. Quinn debate of which guy should be our starting QB.

    it still amazes me that Weeden will likely be our 11th starting QB for week1 in our 14 year rebirth history.

  • Harv 21

    General fan and sports radio squawking is inevitable, but don’t think there’s meaningful controversy unless the coach or Holms start waffling about their choice. This regime doesn’t generally cave to all the hot air and after the last two years there can’t be much thin skin left in Berea. 

  • http://twitter.com/oribiasi oribiasi

    Wow, that is an amazing stat.  Ouch.

    Look, I think this FO felt desperate and they saw Weeden at 22 and decided to go for it.  They know the writing is on the wall and if they don’t produce quickly they will be out of town.  Let’s not forget that Holmgren has an ego the size of Jupiter and he’d like to gloat about turning Cleveland around.

    You took Weeden with the 22nd overall pick.  HE IS YOUR STATER, barring some kind of horrific accident.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Why are you amazed the rebirth as you call it was setup for failure from the start?  Almost everything associated with it has failed on and off the field.  Frankly I’m surprised there aren’t more people dissatisfied.  I don’t know if that says something about the fans or not.

  • mgbode

    11 starting QBs in 14 years is an amazing stat to me.  even horrific teams generally have a QB around for a few years.

    the Detroit Lions in their bad team heydey had Charlie Batch for 4 straight years.  Then, Joey Harrington started week1 for 3 straight years (he did not start wk1 his rookie year – Mike McMahon).  Then Kitna started wk1 for 3 straight years before handing over the reigns to Stafford.

    so, yes, even for a team that has been bad, it is surprising (to me at least).

  • mgbode

    Washington and Miami were the next teams I thought of.  8 & 9 QBs respectively (and that counts the last year of Marino for Miami who obviously had been there awhile)

  • http://www.cinpleweb.com/ stin4u

    I agree. In all honesty, I hated the Weeden pick but that wagon is firmly hitched to his back. You don’t pick this guy in the first round if he isn’t coming straight in to start, regardless of how McCoy looks in camp.

  • mgbode

    since we don’t generally talk about the overall NBA in other threads:

    updating the “make life easy on the Heat” East playoffs for the Josh Smith knee injury last night.Shumpert, Lin, Amare – out for the Knicks (Chandler battling flu)Rose – out for the BullsHorford, Josh Smith – out for the HawksRondo and Ray Allen – out for the Celtics (both will be back at some point)Dwight Howard – out for the Magic

  • http://twitter.com/oribiasi oribiasi

    Right.  He is your starter, so he better work or this regime will have spent its last chip.

  • Natedawg86

    Weeden doesn’t have a motorcycle does he?

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    You probably hit on why more people aren’t disgusted by this team it’s because they don’t remember.  That would help explain the increase in ticket sales for the upcoming season.  The selection of Richardson and another QB and this team is on the way!

    How many head coaches? That’s worse then the number of QBs.

  • mgbode

    i’m not going to do the homework, but 5 HCs to start a year in 14 years seems about right for a perenially bad team.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Close it’s actually six: Palmer, Davis, Robiskie, Crennel, Mangini and Shurmur.  The longest of those being Davis and Crennel who lasted a whopping three years.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I still think the Bulls give the Heat the most run for their money in the East simply due to defense (assuming they get that back on track after last night’s debacle) and rebounding/size down low.  I thought maybe the Hawks could give them a challenge after watching their first two games against the Celtics, but that injury to Josh Smith is probably the nail in the coffin for them.  The C’s only have a chance if they take this “you’re washed up and done” thing really personally (and get Ray Allen back).  I’m hoping there’s some Ewing Theory potential with Dwight Howard being out.  The team has a much more balanced attack without him, but they are certainly worse defensively.

    Man, these injuries are a real shame… it’s like God finally decided this is the Heat’s year (and I have no idea why He would cater to those jerks).

    I will say this though… the Lakers have been pretty darn good since Sessions got there.  They would be a very tough matchup for the Heat with their size & skill inside and Kobe in playoff mode.

  • porckchopexpress

    Or, God is setting up a playoff run where they never have to gut check in a game 6/7 fourth quarter, so that when they get to the Finals all of those questions about who gets the ball in crunch time, and can Lebron make big shots in the fourth, are still floating around.  Just sayin’ the basketball Gods are a curious bunch.

  • Harv 21

    yes, my hope also. Or we’ll hear years of Bron Bron pontificating about what it takes to finally get that ring (just guessing his list won’t include the best player on each opponent getting hurt).

  • Harv 21

    yes, my hope also. Or we’ll hear years of Bron Bron pontificating about what it takes to finally get that ring (just guessing his list won’t include the best player on each opponent getting hurt).

  • mgbode

    Robiskie was not the HC at the beginning of the year. I don’t think it’s fair to count interim HCs

  • mgbode

    Robiskie was not the HC at the beginning of the year. I don’t think it’s fair to count interim HCs