May 20, 2013

NBA Playoffs Showing Cavaliers How Hard Building a Championship Team Really Is

Even with Kyrie Irving in place, the Cavaliers still have much work to do

With the NBA Finals drawing near, it’s only natural for fans of teams not currently playing basketball to look on from a distance, wondering what it must take to be one of the teams representing their conference in the Finals.

Make no mistake about it, the Cleveland Cavaliers are a very long way away from getting there. The first key component is in place. Kyrie Irving was everything the Cavaliers were hoping for, and more, in his rookie season, but when you consider the 4 Conference Finalists, it’s clear that much work needs to be done.

In the West, the Oklahoma City Thunder have Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, and James Harden 1 as part of their “Big 3”. The San Antonio Spurs featured Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker.

The Eastern Conference Finals have their own clash of “Big 3s”. The Boston Celtics have the original Big 3 in Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, and Ray Allen. Not to mention Rajon Rondo, who is currently better than any of the original Big 3. The Miami Heat have the most infamous Big 3 in the NBA with LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh.

There’s more than just the Big 3s, though. If you look at the Thunder, beyond Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka, there’s a deep core of solid role players who all excel at knowing their roles and playing their part. Whether it be Derek Fisher, Kendrick Perkins, Thabo Sefolosha, Nick Collison, Daequan Cook, or Nazr Mohammed, the Thunder have surrounded their stars with role players who can contribute something to the team’s success.

Part of why the Celtics have outplayed the Heat thus far in the series is because of contributions from guys like Mickael Pietrus, Brandon Bass, or Keyon Dooling. It’s not that the Celtics need all their role players to contribute equally every night, but thus far they have seemingly been given a clutch effort by at least one of these guys every game. The Heat, on the other hand, outside of a random Shane Battier three pointer here or Udonis Haslem rebound there, have gotten practically nothing from anyone outside of James and Wade, and even Wade has had long stretches of inefficiency in this series.

The point is, while the NBA has always been a superstar-driven league, and superstars have always surrounded themselves with other stars to win Championships, the recent trend of superstar Voltron-esque 2 teams has upped the ante. Three superstars alone may not necessarily be enough to win the title anymore.

For the Cavaliers, this can be something of a sobering realization. Anyone who had thoughts of the Cavaliers being just a couple years away now that they have Kyrie Irving are probably in for a rude awakening. This thing is a process and the Cavaliers are still in the early stages.

If the Thunder are the ideal team the Cavaliers are trying to emulate, you have to consider they drafted Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Serge Ibaka, and James Harden over three consecutive drafts. The Cavaliers are going to try to take that next step in this year’s draft, but the point is, the Cavaliers have to hit on these next two drafts. Even then, the Thunder drafted James Harden in 2009 and didn’t make the Finals until 2012. If the Cavaliers nail all their draft picks in the 2012 and 2013 drafts and follow the same schedule, they’re looking at 2016 before the Finals are in the picture. And that’s if everything goes perfectly.

This is why even though this year’s draft may not be as important as last year’s was, it’s still of the utmost importance that the Cavaliers don’t miss on these picks. Alonzo Gee and Tristan Thompson are nice players who can be a part of those role players the team needs, but the Cavaliers only have one potential superstar. If Irving is the Cavaliers’ Westbrook, they still need to find their Durant and Harden in these next couple drafts.

Every draft that they miss on sets them back at least one season, if not more. The more misses the Cavaliers compile, the more likely Kyrie Irving is to eventually leave. These are the stakes of building a Championship team.

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Of course, there is one other option, the elephant in the room in the shape of the rumor that just won’t die. And that’s the chance of LeBron James returning to the Cavaliers. James can opt out of his contract with the Heat in 2014, and if the likes of Brian Windhorst are to believed, LeBron could be trying to work his way back to Cleveland. If the Heat don’t win the title this year, that gives them two more shots at it before LeBron can leave. The Heat could easily win any or all of the next 3 championships. They have the talent. But they are a fundamentally flawed team.

The Celtics, Spurs, and Thunder were all constructed to be teams. They found pieces that all could fill different roles and niches. The Heat were constructed to just be an insane collection of talent. A museum of basketball greatness, if you will. But the problem is, LeBron and Wade have identical skill sets. Neither player is all that great playing off the ball. Both excel in creating with the ball in their hands. Neither one is a great outside shooter. Both players prefer using their physical abilities to bully themselves into the lane for either a layup or to draw fouls. Or both. Chris Bosh does give them an inside presence and the Heat have tried their best to surround them with outside shooters, but the whole system is flawed.

In the NBA playoffs, the games tend to slow down, resulting in a half court game where offensive efficiency and creativity is at a premium. The Celtics run that phenomenal pick and roll game with Rondo and Garnett while Pierce and Allen work their tails off without the ball to set themselves up in prime position to score. It’s a thing of beauty to watch, actually, when it’s working. The Heat just take turns between James and Wade creating a shot for themselves or just kicking it out to someone like James Jones or Norris Cole for a corner three.

It’s the same fundamental flaw that makes one wonder if welcoming James back to Cleveland is a smart basketball decision. Set aside the emotional side of it because obviously the vast majority of Cleveland fans do not want LeBron back. But from the basketball side of things, as sacrilegious as it sounds, LeBron James and Kyrie Irving may not be a great fit together either.

LeBron is one of the most unselfish superstars the game has ever seen. So it seems strange that it’s so hard to figure out how to build the ideal playoff offense around him. The problem is, LeBron just has never been a great off-ball player. He doesn’t want to post up, and he doesn’t like to work around off-ball screens. He’d rather have the ball in his hands and run the offense through himself. Which is a problem when you already have Kyrie Irving.

Look, if the choice was as simple as winning an NBA title with LeBron in Cleveland or never winning one without him, I’m taking the Championship with him. But it’s not that simple. The Cavaliers tried it once and couldn’t figure out how to win a title with LeBron. The Miami Heat are struggling mightily to figure out how to make that work. Beyond even play style or skill set, there are other distractions with LeBron.

James fell out of favor with Mike Brown, and he’s been a thorn in Erik Spoelstra’s side. As early 17 games into his first season with the Heat, there were rumors that LeBron was trying to sabotage Spoelstra and to get Pat Riley to coach the team. Do the Cavaliers want to go through a similar experience with Byron Scott?

For all the on court greatness LeBron can deliver, there’s no doubt a certain circus sideshow is always surrounding him. Would he help Kyrie Irving, Tristan Thompson, and whoever the Cavs draft in the next two years win a Championship in Cleveland? Or would he become a gigantic distraction to what the Cavaliers are now trying to build?

If the Thunder win the Championship this year, it should embolden not just the Cavaliers, but all small market teams throughout the NBA that with some smart drafting you can build a team that can take down the so-called evil empire that is the Miami Heat with LeBron James.

For most Cavalier fans, the only thing better than winning a Championship with LeBron would be winning one by going through him. We’re still several years from a point where that can be reality, but make no mistake, that’s the route the Cavaliers are currently trying to go. We’re a long way from a point where LeBron returning to the Cavaliers makes any kind of sense whatsoever.

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  1. if you count Serge Ibaka in that group, they actually have a “Big 4” [back]
  2. or Captain Planet, if you prefer that skill-combining metaphor [back]

  • Pete

    Joe Harden?

  • mgbode

    hat tip to Joe Haden? :)

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    It is tough especially when you are starting from basically ground zero.  It’s even more tough when/if you don’t use free agency to compliment your drafting.  We’ve seen one team take this strategy I don’t care to see another.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Ugh, I can’t tell you how many times I kept typing Joe Haden instead of James Harden. Thanks for the heads up!

  • sehart

    Must be James’ younger brother.

  • mgbode

    Here’s the craziest part about how OKC built their team.  It seems like they never “miss” on a draft pick.  I don’t know how any other team even competes with that.

    Since 2007 when Presti took control here are the guys they have hit on (some of these were draft-day traded to other teams but they originally took as an asset and flipped).  ‘*’ indicate a 2nd round selection.

    2007:   Durant / *Carl Landry / *Glen Davis
    2008:   Westbrook / Ibaka (24th)
    2009:   Harden / R.Beaubois (25th)
    2010:   E.Bledsoe (18th)
    2011:   R.Jackson (24th) – injured last year but alot of positive hype before it.

    Even Jeff Green (2007 drafted by Celtics, acquired by OKC for Ray Allen) who ended up being an overall bust ended up netting them Kendrick Perkins (back from Boston).

    —————

    If Irving was our Durant, then can this year be our Westbrook/Ibaka draft?  

  • JMoney

     Voltron is the metaphor you’re looking for. Captain Planet would have to result in the summoning of a young Bill Russel to lead the team to victory. And recycling.

    Great column. People see the Thunder now and say that’s the way we should do it, but they absolutely struck gold three straight years. Cautious optimism is the key here.

  • Lunch

    So now, lets say the Cavs are following the Oklahoma City Thunder’s rebuild model, to the letter. Who do we go after with the 4th pick if they are available, MKG and hope that he has the same skill set that will make him as good as Kevin Durrant, or Bradley Beal, whom the Cavs could bring off the bench behind Daniel Gibson, or none of the above and hope that those key players will be available in next years draft?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Yeah, it can’t be overstated. The Thunder’s drafting has been unreal. Perhaps unparalleled in NBA history. I don’t think it’s hyperbole. 

    So can Chris Grant do something similar? Perhaps. You know, it’s so easy for people to use revisionist history and say drafting Kyrie was an easy choice. They’re forgetting how strong of a sentiment there was for drafting Derrick Williams first. Plenty of NBA pundits were saying Williams should be the top pick. So Chris Grant gets credit for getting his first one right. He made the correct choice in Irving. Now he has to do it all over again the next few years. 

  • Snack

    We already have our Ibaka. His name is Tristan Thompson.

    THE END…

  • mgbode

    if Joe Haden shows up in the Finals dressed in James Harden gear, then it’s gonna blow your mind.

    (and if the Heat make it there it’s going to solidify Haden as the fan-friendliest Cleveland player of alltime)

  • mgbode

    as in the NFL, in the NBA it is imperative to build through the draft.   through the draft (if you hit), you get cheap players that you have basically locked in for 6-8 years (name a big star that has left via RFA – and hardly any players that a team ‘wants’ leaves as RFA either)

    in FA, you have to overpay for what you get (relatively).  smart drafting and smart trading is the best way to build a team (trading is much more important in the NBA than the NFL where it is not as common)

  • Breakfast

    With all this talk about the OKC model, I wonder how cavs fans will react if the Cavs draft Andre Drummond?

  • Pete

    No problem. I’m actually going to start calling James Harden “Joe,” because it’s pretty awesome.

  • mgbode

    That’s 5yrs of draft history.  The previous 5yrs of draft history in the 1st round for the Sonics:

    Sene(11), Petro(25), Swift(12), Collison(12) / Ridnour(14), Traded 2002 1st away

    Here’s a list of the 2nd rounders during that time they have drafted that have even logged rotational minutes for a team:

    Willie Green – 2003 – #41

    Can Sam Presti get the executive of the decade award?

  • Scott

    I am a lifelong Clevelander and would welcome back Lebron with open arms believe it or not.  that is besides the point though.  Sideshows and distractions aside, come on, any team is much, much better and much, much closer to a Championship with Lebron on their team than without.  He is a 3-time MVP, let’s be real here.

  • mgbode

    Ok, back on topic, can Grant do something similar?  I’m going to say no from the standpoint that it’s “too much” to expect anything close to all of those homeruns.

    I would say can Grant build our team using a similar strategy to which I am more willing to say yes.   I think that we might need more trades, which Grant seems to win in his brief tenure.

    Irving over DW+Knight(or Kemba) was a smart move.  Was Tristan the smart move there?   The “prominant” other options seemed to be Jonas, Vesely, Kawhi, Burks, Klay, or Bismack.   Tough to say so far, but he seems definitely ahead of Vesely, Burks, and Bismack.  Arguments can be made for any of the others at this point.  Let’s hope he continues to progress.

  • Dinner

    HA!! The so called cavs fans, will demand that Chris Grant be fired for not following the OKC model because they drafted a C instead of a SF or SG.

  • mgbode

    what?   MKG is no Durant and why would we bring Beal off the bench behind Gibson who didn’t even start over Anthony Parker?

    i’m confused on what you were trying to get at here.

  • mgbode

    that’s possible. 

    if so, then we still need our Westbrook (complimentary option to Irving) and Harden (bench scorer who would be an allstar starter on any other team).   I’ll go ahead and say AV is our Sefolosha (defensive stopper).

  • mgbode

    i’m confused by my meals telling me what is going on, but I am a bit hungier now.

  • 5KMD

    If LBJ ever does want to come back and the FO is crazy enough to take him (assuming health and skills intact) the next thing they should do is trade Kyrie for the pieces you are talking about.

    Not sure what Kyrie could do on the court while LBJ is pounding it into the ground for 15 seconds but it wouldn’t be all that productive.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    IMO, nobody else in last year’s draft is going to be a superstar. So even if, say, Kawhi Leonard really is better than TT, the difference isn’t enough for me to say the Cavs really screwed up. There were no superstars missed on at #4 as far as I can tell.

  • floydrubino

    There is no blueprint on how to win a championship. It is a collection of people from players to the executive level and everything in between that makes a championship team and franchise. Where Clevland is lacking is obvious. They have drafted horribly. Kyrie is great but outside of him it’s been terrible for a long time now. The Thunder are great because they have Durant but they made the next step when they signed a guy like Derek Fisher. It was a small signing but when the gm went after him I knew he was really good at his job. Derek Fisher is a big time player in the finals and playoffs. If we can pick solid for the next 3 or 4 years everything will take care of itself. I just hope we have the right people in place that brings in the derek fishers of the league at the right time when we are close. Look at all the championship teams and they all have great players obviously but they all have done it differently. The one consistent is that people and players that do their job well at every level. 

  • The_Matt_Of_Akron

     I wish Brunch were here to tell it like it is….

  • floydrubino

    Yeah and if TT wasn’t picked at #4 but #24 it would of been a good pick.

  • porckchopexpress

    4th Meal must still be sleeping off a hangover.

  • Steve

    That’s assuming that Ibaka was only a good pick at #24, which is a fallacy. Re-do that 2008 draft and Ibaka easily goes in the 5-10 range.

  • Brunch

    Someone called? :hic: Ow my head!!

  • JNeids

    Your food seems to be disagreeing with you

  • Steve

    The Thunder, after taking Durant, got to pick 4th and 3rd the next two years. The Cavaliers, in 7 years of drafting with Lebron on the roster, had a pick in the top 18 just once. Considering what the Cavs had to work with pick-wise, I don’t see how you can say they drafted poorly. Even if Lebron was the absolute sieve that Durant was defensively his first couple years allowing us to pick at the top of the lottery, Paxson had already given up two of our first three first-rounders in the Lebron era.

  • porckchopexpress

    I actually agree with you about picking the right veteran at the right time, although some of that is still luck. Spurs picked up Capt. Jack, and as much as I laugh at Fisher he did hit a few killer shots, and San Antonio never seemed to take advantage of the fact that his knees are on loan from Joe Namath.  Boston signed that big white kid who over the second half of the year helped rest KG.  And Miami signed… oh yeah they’re cap situation is so messed up they can’t pick up anyone. 

  • Lunch

    True, but I think in time, TT will show us that he was worthy of being selected #4. Especially if he develops into a 20/10/3 or 4 blocks type of player.

  • floydrubino

    I agree that there weren’t really any good players in the draft except for some guards. But don’t you think that the cavs could of traded this pick to the knicks or blazers who desperately wanted a point guard last year. Now if we skip over a guy like T-Rob banking on TT then there is where they will screw up. Just because there weren’t any good big men in last years draft doesn’t mean our #4 pick wasn’t in play. I can see the cavs taking barnes and then some awful project big man at #24 and us basically getting nothing out of last years #4 and our 2 picks this year. In the 2 spots where we pick T-Rob and Moe Harkless are the best players with the highest ceiling. Plus they will contribute immediately. 
    To give you an example on how picking somebody in the wrong spot can really do horrible things for a team picking colt mccoy is a perfect example. When holmgren stepped in and picked this small weak throwing quarterback and then put pressure on Shurmur to play him because he was hand selected by Holmgren we missed on an opportunity to pick Dalton the next year in the 2nd round where heckert really liked him. I just hope the owners and executives in cleveland stops making these bone headed decisions that keep pushing us back a year and another.

  • Roosevelt

    Having watched at least a few minutes of the conference finals, it blows me away how good these teams are, and it emphasizes that building organically is not enough – you have to get incredibly lucky, or lure a really good free agent (or two) to join a good team. 
    That’s why I think that Drummond is the right pick in this draft. Take a project who has a chance to be the next Dwight Howard. Get another top ten pick next year. If they take Barnes or one of the others, they’ll be a borderline playoff team next year, with a absolute ceiling of the conference semis for the next eight years. If they get Drummond, they get all-NBA potential with the chance at another high pick the next year. 

  • porckchopexpress

    I feel like we are starting to see a fundamental shift in the way teams and fans approach talent and team building in the NBA.  For years the direct from high schoolers and even one and dones led to drafting solely on “potential”.  Now unless the guy is can’t miss teams (at least smart ones) are starting to consider the system they want to run, and how the guy fits into it.  I think the best thing that came from paring Sessions and Irving together was that it showed how impotent KI can be without the ball in his hands, which gives pretty good direction on where you need to go in the draft.  This is also the reason I just can’t see Lebron fitting back in on this team.  He is such a ball dominant player I don’t see how he would fit in Scotts offense. 

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    In what was considered a weak draft, no, I don’t really think they could have. The demand for #4 was not there. I remember vividly all the reports of the Cavs looking into trading out of #4 and nobody wanting to move up. Just because you want to trade down, it doesn’t always mean you can. You have to find someone willing to pay a price to move up. 

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    I can’t really argue with anything you wrote there. Well said on all of it. 

  • porckchopexpress

    Just out of curiosity can we safely say that Durant has snatched the Best Player on the Planet title?  If terrorists stormed your local court and gave you first pick in a game for your life are you really taking Lebron over Durant? 
    What’s going to happen when he hits that sweet spot from 28-31 where his physical and mental talents converge for a few glorious seasons.  In 20 years are we going to be talking about what a great team we had with that amazing point guard athletic big man and high scoring guard (Beal?), and how we just couldn’t get past OKC.  Are the elders of us going to get confused whether it was 1988 or 2018 we’re talking about?  At what point will the sheer mass of crushing defeats collapse into a point so dense not even hope can escape? 

  • Brunch

    To respond to your request, The_ Matt, I think what breakfast is saying is the Thunder used their draft picks to draft a SF, PG, PF, & SG that can come off the bench. If the Cavs decide to draft a very good Center and then decide to build around both the Center and Point Guard :hic: positions, then they don’t seem to be following the Thunder model at all. All right! Now I’m goin to the bathroom. Those vodka loaded bean burritos, wow :ffaaaarrrrrtttttt: Great!! Now the bathroom is a gas chamber, hic! :collapses and snores loudly:

  • Dinner

    I was about to answer you, Mgbode, but it looks like Brunch got here first.

  • Natedawg86

    We have 2 firsts and 2 (high) seconds this year, and if Sacremento somehow makes the playoffs or comes close, we can have 2 firsts next year.

    Suffice to say, we should have at least 2 more quality guys this year and maybe 2 next year.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    I still think LeBron James is a better all around individual player. Nobody has more natural talent than LeBron. Durant is amazing, but LeBron does things on the court I’ve never seen anyone do before. He is a freak. 

  • Mike E

     Did Holmgren hurt Delhomie and Seneca, what a plan to strong arm Colt into the starting line up haha what a joke.

  • mgbode

    I agree with that as long as TT continues to progress and remain a viable rotational player for us (and/or starter).   He definitely has a ceiling as good as any of those other players.

  • mgbode

    agreed.  and also it always depends on the draft itself.  if we re-did the 2011 draft today, I think TT still goes in the top5.

  • mgbode

    i’d like to add that SA picked up Danny Green and Boris Diaw directly from cuts off the Cavs and Bobcats and both players played crucial roles in parts of their 20game winning streak. 

  • mgbode

    was Bird or Magic the better player?  that’s basically what this argument boils down to.   Bird the high scoring big man who could hit absolutely anything and played an underappreciated defense.   Magic who could guard all 5 positions and play better all-around than anyone else.

    I always sided on Magic being the better player even though I preferred the Celtics to win those games.   But, I don’t think it is as cut-n-dry because Bird did alot of things that helped the C’s win as Durant does for OKC. 

    It’s at least a debate now.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623181281 Alex Mathews

    LeBron is the most gifted physical athlete the NBA has ever seen. And definitely more flashy. But I still think Durant is the better player. Right now it’s kind of a toss-up between the two, but I think in the next 2-3 years you’ll see Durant overtake LeBron as best player in the NBA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=623181281 Alex Mathews

    There’s also the risk of drafting Drummond, he flops harder than someone like Beal or Barnes would…and then we’re set back another 2-3 years, eating time in Kyrie’s “window”.

    With that said, I’m sure the front office is looking at all of these things and will pick the right guy for our team, be it Drummond or Barnes or MKG.