May 24, 2013

Reds 5 Indians 3: Where Exactly is Ramon Vazquez These Days?

Brandon Phillips kills the Indians. Its a bit that comes up every single year and sticks in the craw of Tribe fans to an endless degree. It was April 7th of 2006, more than six years ago, but it is a day that will live in Indians infamy. It was the day they gave up on a talented and uber confident kid second baseman because he was out of options and the manager didn’t like his attitude. Swagger is a better word for it.

Then GM Mark Shapiro and his manager Eric Wedge were in the midst of their “partnership,” which we all know now was horrible mistake on Shapiro’s part. The GM always picks the players, and the manager’s job is to play the hand he is dealt and make it successful. Instead back in 2006, Wedge’s affinity for utility man Ramon Vazquez and his dislike of Brandon Phillips rough exterior won out. Shapiro made the final call and dealt Phillips to the Reds for reliever Jeff Stevens. They gave up on him at age 25.

Vazquez played 34 games for the Indians that season as a backup and 310 games total over the next three years. He is now out of baseball. Phillips has gone on to become a two-time all-star, a three-time Gold Glove winner, and one of the best second baseman in the game. On top of that, the Indians watch him torture them year in and year out in interleague play.

Last night was no different.

With the Indians trailing 3-2 in the seventh, Phillips tattooed a Nick Hagadone pitch deep into the Cincinnati night for a two-run shot. Watching that ball fly out of Great American Ballpark made all Indians fans feel like they had been punched in the gut. The homer was the dagger in the Reds 5-3 win, giving them the chance to go for a sweep this afternoon.

Wedge is long gone, but Phillips has never forgotten how the Indians sent him packing. He hasn’t stopped making them pay either. In 37 games against his former team, Phillips is hitting .347 (50-144) with 8 HR and 26 RBIs. He went 3-3 last night and made a spectacular bare-handed play to get Lonnie Chisenhall in the second.

“It feels good to beat the team I just came from,” he said. “They’re a great organization, I wish them the best, but when they come here, we’ve got to let them know we’re here. You always want to be the best team in Ohio.”

The Indians offense really could never get off the ground against righty Mat Latos, who had been struggling with his command most of the year. They had their chances, but never could come up with the back-breaking hit. They loaded the bases with nobody out in the fourth, but only managed to get one run on a Casey Kotchman grounder. That came after Johnny Damon looked bad striking out looking.

Their second run came in the sixth on another RBI groundout, this one by Damon. I know the play got a run in, but that only occurred because the Damon ground ball was so weakly hit. Johnny’s defense cost the Indians a run in the  fifth when he butchered a Joey Votto double to left. The Indians really have no other option in left so Damon will keep getting at-bats, but this .178 business with bad defense is just killing us.

“We just couldn’t execute offensively,” Manny Acta said. “That pretty much killed us. That fourth inning, when we had the bases loaded, and ended up scoring only one run, I thought that was our opportunity to do some damage. If you want to win a ballgame, you ought to be able to score more than one run with the bases loaded and no outs. Unfortunately, we didn’t do it.”

Jose Lopez’s solo shot off of Reds close Aroldis Chapman in the ninth was the only run the Tribe scored on a hit. It was an impressive feat considering Chapman gunned the pitch up triple digits.

While the game may have had little drama, there were some postgame fireworks thanks to Tribe starter Derek Lowe, who took the loss in this one. In the fifth inning, Latos’s first pitch to Lowe was a fast ball up and in. Lowe stepped out and started to gesture towards the Reds dugout. It seemed odd at the time. After the game, we would find out why. Lowe and Reds manager Dusty Baker clearly have some bad blood. Derek has never been shy about letting the media know what he is feeling. He let loose afterwards on Baker, saying he ordered Latos to throw at him.

“You can go ask him. He’ll deny it like he has no idea,” Lowe said of Baker. “To say it didn’t come from Dusty … Mat Latos was with the San Diego Padres the last four years, he has no idea what’s going on. Again, you can ask him and he’ll say he doesn’t know about it, like he always does.”

“This goes back to my last year with the Dodgers. … You can go ask [Baker] right now, and he’ll say he has no idea what you’re talking about. But just watch the game. Mat Latos has nothing to do with anything that has gone on. How would he know? Why in the (world) would you throw a 96 mph fastball, first pitch, inside to a pitcher? Ask him.”

“I have zero respect for the guy — not that it matters. I imagine he’d say the same about me.”

Man I love Derek Lowe.

Meanwhile, the Indians need to take this afternoon’s 12:35 tilt to avoid being swept and finishing their road trip on the down side of .500. They are currently 4-4 on the nine-game swing. The Tribe will send Josh Tomlin (3-3, 4.96 ERA) to the mound against Reds righty Mike Leake (2-5, 4.97 ERA).

(AP Photo/Al Behrman)

  • Boomhauertjs

    Less rationally, I also blame Wedge for ruining Grady’s career by playing him into the ground and never giving him a day off.

    At least we ended up getting Pure Rage out of the deal – Stevens went to Cubs for DeRosa who went to Cardinals for Perez.

  • cmm13

    Until the emergence of our new 2nd base All Star this deal was the one that absolutely punched me in the gut the hardest.

    We knew we were losing Lee and Sabathia, but did not have to give up on Brandon. 

    I loved this kid in a Tribe uniform and the day he was shipped out both my dad and I said it, “there goes our all-star second baseman”.

  • Harv 21

    the only positive I get from seeing Phillips angrily punk us time and again is the knowledge that even the new-wave of execs, with their moneyball software and just-gimme-the-stat-sheet attitudes, still do stupid things like trading a top pick who’s flown through the minors because the manager can’t stand the way that punk is eyeballing him. 

    Which means, who knows, maybe there’s a cocky 4-tool centerfielder out there who has made a pass at the owner’s wife or is butting heads with another grinder.

  • NamedMyKidPrice

    Never liked him and still dont.  He can take his crooked hat to cincy and stay there.  Just think if we had that bum we wouldnt have Kipnis and everyone knows Kipnis is a badass.

  • cmm13

    So yeah..first off I am not sure how you consider him a “bum”.

    Did he earn that certificate before or after his his three Gold Glove awards, one Silver Slugger trophy and two NL All Star jerseys?

    Secondly would it have been okay for CC and his “crooked hat” to stay or would you have rather jettisoned him off for a white player replacement as well?

  • NamedMyKidPrice

    No I liked CC didnt really care for the crooked hat to be honest.  But I never really liked Phillips.  I understand he put up numbers.  But I love Kipnis and the way he plays.  It seems everytime he is up or around the ball something good happens. 

  • cmm13

    I get it,  there are some players no matter how well they do you just don’t like.

    To be honest with you, after the 2007 season I was over LeBron.  You could see even back then the persona he was developing into. 
    Consistently breaking off plays, stallworting the offense by trying to play “open gym” ball, refusing to listen/trust the gameplan, etc.

    Huge numbers but I never really LOVED the guy.

  • Steve

     Brandon Phillips was sent packing before 2006, well before Sabathia and Lee were expected to leave, with a major league OPS+ of 48. In his 4th year in AAA, he put up a .734 OPS, very pedestrian. Any and all fault for the lack of his success in Cleveland lies with him. Which is why I don’t get the hate he has for this team. Sure, he didn’t get along with Wedge. But you know what easily fixes a disagreement with your manager? Hitting the crap out of the ball, or playing spectacular defense. Phillips did neither of those in his time here. You don’t get to pout and suck. That’s a quick ticket out of town.

  • Steve

     Man, everyone here now knows how good Phillips is. Where were you guys in 2003? I don’t know anyone who had any interest in the future of Phillips then

  • cmm13

    Thanks for pointing out the obvious on Phillips being gone before the emergence of Sabathia And Lee.

    My point being that when those players did breakout I knew they were gone.

    Phillips on the other hand was set packing faster because of Wedge didn’t like his “swagger” which to me is bs.

  • cmm13

    The better question might be where were you in 2003 because everyone I know was high in Phillips.

  • Steve

    That is BS, your statement that is. Phillips was sent packing because he didn’t look as good as even Ramon Vazquez.