August 26, 2014

Acquiring Andrew Bynum Might be Cavaliers’ One Shot at Building a Title Contender

An actual young All-Star could be Kyrie Irving’s teammate for the future.

There’s a story I remember from my childhood. It involves a man who is living in his house on the bank of a river. One day, a storm begins to build up strength and the rains begin to pour down. The newscaster on TV interrupts programming to warn those living on the river to evacuate because of the risk of flood. The man thought to himself, “God will surely deliver me from this flood.”

The rain continued to pour down and the water began to rise. The man had to move to his 2nd floor balcony as the first floor was now completely submerged. A neighbor who happened to have a boat was driving through the area looking for people who were stranded. He saw the man on his balcony and brought the boat over to offer him help escaping. “Thank you, but I don’t need your help,” said the man. “God will surely deliver me from this flood.”

The rain continued to fall and the water continued to rise. By now, the man had moved to his roof as the water had overtaken the 2nd floor of his house. A rescue helicopter was flying over the houses looking for people to rescue. Seeing the man on his roof, the helicopter sent a rescue diver down to get the man. “Thank you for offering, but I don’t need your help,” the man told the diver. “God will surely deliver me from this flood.”

The rain was relentless still, and the water eventually overtook the man’s house completely. To his last breath the man held out hope that God would save him, but the flood water was too much and the man eventually succumbed to the water and died. Upon arriving in heaven, the man saw God and asked him, “God, I had faith that you would save me, but still you let me drown. Why?”

God looked curiously at the man and said, “My child, three times I tried to save you. Once with a warning on the news giving you ample time to escape, once I sent a boat to save you, and once I sent a helicopter to rescue you, but all 3 times you refused my help.”

I always liked that story. It taught me to be careful to not refuse the blessings that come my way in life. By now you may be wondering what this has to do with sports. Well, I think this story might apply to the Cleveland Cavaliers right now.

We can debate until we’re blue in the face as to all the reasons why LeBron James left Cleveland. But I’d like to think we can at least agree that part of the problem was that LeBron never had a real running mate. The Cavaliers were a great team and I believe they were good enough to win a title. But there’s no doubt LeBron shouldered the load alone.

So this time around, with Kyrie Irving, the Cavaliers want to rebuild the “right way”. We want the team to stockpile cap space and draft picks so we can eventually get Kyrie the young superstar to pair up with.

What if that moment is now, though. What if Andrew Bynum is the answer to the riddle? I feel like some fans are saying “We don’t want to use our assets to acquire Bynum, we want to save them so we can get a superstar.” It’s like the man in the story refusing rescue because he’s waiting for God to rescue him.

We want to surround Kyrie Irving with other young superstars. Well, Andrew Bynum is a 24 year old superstar. He is a player who has but one peer at his position, and that’s Dwight Howard. The Cavaliers have an opportunity to potentially have a top 5 PG paired with the 2nd best center in the NBA. I’m not sure what more you can ask for as a starting point to rebuilding your team into a title contender.

Lets be real clear about this. If the Cavaliers don’t trade for Bynum, the odds of them later getting a player as good as Bynum or better are extremely slim. Guys this good are not easy to get. Last season Andrew Bynum was 10th in the NBA in efficiency rating, 20th in scoring, 4th in FG%, 3rd in rebounds, 6th in blocks, and 5th in double-doubles. This is an absolute legit, star, elite center.

I get the questions about his health and his maturity. After playing 82 games in the 2006-07 season, Bynum was never healthy until this past season. He followed that 82 game season up with seasons of 35, 50, 65, and 54 games. So yes, injuries are a part of his past. But injuries are part of Kyrie Irving’s past, too.

Kyrie played just 11 of Duke’s 37 games two years ago and 51 of the Cavaliers’ 66 games last year. So in total, in his team’s last 2 seasons, Kyrie has played in 62 of 103 games (60%). Over Bynum’s last two years, he has played in 114 of his team’s 148 games (77%). I don’t think anyone would say they don’t want Kyrie because of injury concerns. Bynum’s recent history shows us he has been mostly healthy and I don’t think injury concerns is a good reason to not go out and get him.

This biggest problem is Bynum’s impending free agency. There’s been a lot of suggestion that the Cavaliers either need or should need an extension from Bynum before they do the trade. I can tell you this much, if a signed contract extension is what the Cavaliers need, we’re all wasting our time here. Bynum is not, and should not, sign a contract extension right now. Why? Because of the way the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement works.

A contract extension is not the same thing as re-signing with your old team as a free agent with Bird Rights. Basically, if either Howard or Bynum were to sign an extension now, they would be limited in the number of years and max raise they can get.

For a better explanation than I could give, lets turn to Sporting News’s Sean Devery who wrote about this last year when Deron Williams was offered an extension by the Nets:

“Deron will not be signing the extension,” Schwartz told the Bergen Record on Thursday. “Based on the new rules it doesn’t make any sense for him to sign the extension. It has nothing to do with how much he likes New Jersey. Because of the rules, he’s going to play the season out and opt out of his deal.”

Now, get your calculators out. Williams is signed through this season, and has a $17.7 million player option next season. If he were to sign an extension with the Nets now, the option for next year would be active, and Williams could add two more years onto his deal with 7.5 percent raises, bringing the total deal to three years, $57 million.

If Williams opts out, though, he could draw a contract worth $100 million over five years by re-signing with the Nets, or $74 million over four years by going elsewhere. In the short term, Williams would actually lose a relatively small amount money by opting out, because the five-year deal would start at $17.4 million (30 percent of the salary cap) rather than the $17.7 million he would make by opting in—it’s a matter of $56.1 million in the first three years instead of $57 million. But, at 27 years old, the security of a five-year max deal is more important to Williams now.

This is why Bynum and Howard won’t sign extensions either. The same situation more or less applies to them. It’s in their own best interests to become free agents and allow their Bird Rights to kick in, maximizing both years and annual raises. So if a signed guarantee is what you need, you’re not going to get it.

But that shouldn’t necessarily stop the Cavaliers from pursuing this trade. Once a framework is agreed upon, the Lakers will allow Chris Grant to talk to Andrew Bynum and his agent. At that point, you try to get a feeler on the situation. Is Bynum open minded to staying in Cleveland long term? Will his agent give Cleveland assurances that if Bynum gels with Kyrie and Coach Byron Scott, that he’ll stay?

That’s the question. I’m optimistic Bynum would stay. The Cavaliers could offer him a better long term running mate than, say, Dallas or Houston could. Cleveland would have his Bird Rights and could offer him more money and years. Cleveland could offer Bynum an opportunity to be either the 1st or 2nd option in the offense. Irving and Bynum, if they can get along, can form a formidable tandem that could be title contenders for years to come if the supporting pieces fall into place in future years. And you know Dan Gilbert is going to be committed to that cause.

No, it’s not a sure thing Bynum would come back. There’s risk. It’s a gamble. I get that. But do we want to live our lives just hoping to eventually have another star fall into our laps? Or do we want to be aggressive and take advantage of this incredible opportunity that is sitting right in front of us?

If the Cavaliers don’t do this deal, I’m fine with that. I think the long term building plan is fine and has a decent enough chance of working. It’s just that my personal preference would be to go out and do this. Make our own luck. I think this is the Cavaliers’ one chance to acquire a sure fire young superstar to pair with Irving. Sure, it might happen later. But I don’t want to be stuck watching the boats and helicopters go by as we slowly drown.

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  • Flash

    Not sure what God has to do with any of this because he clearly hates Cleveland

  • Tron

    Bird rights don’t mean jack. We had LBJs bird rights and he strong armed us into a sign and trade where we got a bunch of crappy late draft picks.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Do you want to compare the number of guys who have signed with Bird Rights vs those who turned it down? I believe the ratio is somewhere around 99:1.

    Do you think LeBron would have turned down his Bird Rights if the Cavaliers had Kyrie Irving? I don’t. I think it would have been all the incentive he would have needed to stay.

  • Kevin

    Houston has a much better offer.. we’re not getting Bynum

  • Narm

    With Bynum’s injury history, he would be insane to take the 4yrs $80mil instead of 5yrs $105mil (or whatever the numbers end up being). For that reason alone I would imagine the Cavs would have a good chance of re-signing him. He also doesn’t seem to be as endorsement-driven as some recent FA – so a large market may not be as important as his contract.

  • vedwin

    I think it has become pretty clear that lebron never had any intention of doing anything but forming his superstar pick-up team in Miami. I also think it’s fair to raise the point that the elite players in the NBA can use the threat of walking away at the end of their contract to force sign and trades.

  • Jack

    Please don’t use my name in vain…

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    And what a painful tragic one that was!

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    But would LeBron have had that plan if another superstar was here in Cleveland? I don’t think so. I could be wrong about that, none of us truly know his real motives. But if we let LeBron leaving keep us from ever trying to get superstars, the Cavs are never going to win a title.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    This is definitely an aggressive move and one that seems counter to the way the Cavaliers led us to believe they were building but I find it difficult to turn my back on getting a talent like Bynum. The hope would be that he’d come in do well and as a result so would the Cavaliers and in the offseason they use all of that financial flexibility to park several Brinks trucks at his doorstep and he resigns. If the Cavaliers only lose Varejao and a couple picks I don’t see much of a loss myself.

  • Tron

    You can’t compare a statistic of who signs with bird rights versus who doesn’t because every player is a individual and you have no idea what they could want to do. I understand Bynum won’t sign an extension, but he needs to give some level of assurances. Maybe Bynum has a bro he’s real tight with and wants to play with, who knows. And anyways to refute your point on statistics, he could still sign on his bird rights and then force the trade anyways.

    Lebron probably would have turned down Kyrie, because he’s friends with D-Wade. Thats how these guys operate.

  • Jack

    Generally on board with your perspective, Andrew…but I think it’s a little remissive not to acknowledge the nature/severity disparity of Ky’s and By’s injuries.

    Injuries to both knees (recurrent on same knee probably a bigger issue, but still) and a lingering achilles issue on a 7 footer is more of a talking point for me than a bum toe, a shoulder strain, and a freak fracture on a guard.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey


    You can’t compare a statistic of who signs with bird rights versus who doesn’t because every player is a individual and you have no idea what they could want to do.”

    Exactly! That’s my point. LeBron leaving has nothing to do with Bynum.

  • boomhauertjs

    Bynum’s injury history scares me. In Cavs history, some centers with injury histories have stayed healthy (Big Z), some have never come back (Brad Daugherty). Which would Bynum be?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    I’m not trying to say Bynum’s injuries aren’t an issue. But over the last two years, he’s been mostly healthy. Kyrie’s collection of injuries, although unrelated, could be showing a pattern of a fragile body. Gosh I sure hope it’s not that. But if injuries are a major concern, then I think we have to consider Kyrie’s history as well. That was all I was trying to say.

  • God

    I don’t hate Cleveland

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    For me, Bynum staying healthy all last year during that compressed season was a very encouraging sign.

  • vedwin

    Well I think the original point was that with the really elite players having Bird Rights isn’t really a barrier to player movement if they really want to go.

    I certainly don’t mind exploring the deal but I don’t see any need to swing for the fences right now. All the reasons that Bynum would potentially sign a long term deal in Cleveland, will still be in place next year when he’s an UFA. So if he was ever going to sign here why not wait until next year and not give up our only other real talent acquisition platform (the draft).

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Next year, CLE wouldn’t hold his Bird Rights, and he wouldn’t have a season of gelling with Kyrie under his belt. I think the odds of him signing if we trade now are infinitely greater than the odds of him signing if we wait until free agency next year. Again, just my opinion.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Z and Daugherty were polar opposites. Z got hurt early in his career and thanks to modern medicine was able to recover and play a long professional career. Daugherty on the other hand had a great career cut short by a back injury he could never recover from which was a shame.

    The other thing to keep in mind is the presence of rookie Tyler Zeller. Zeller would make it much easier for the Cavaliers to rest or not play Bynum as much as normal. That would be an additional benefit of having a pair of seven footers.

  • NateOgden

    LeBron had a running mate, Carlos Boozer, and we got screwed trusting him to resign. With a great player we spent the rest of LeBron’s years never able to replace boozer. If we give up all of our assets for Bynum then he leaves after one year we are right back to LeBron time, a great player that will keep us out of the lottery and no chance of adding the missing 1-2 pieces.

    In this trade we aren’t giving up one asset leaving is the other to try and pull something off, we are giving up the majority of our picks plus our cap space. That is going all in hoping a 24 year old from LA decides to spend the next 5 years in Cleveland. Contract money means nothing, Bynum could make that up in any major city doing used car commercials.

    If Bynum really loves the idea of playing in CLE with Kyrie and wants to dominate for years to come then the smart move is to play out his last year in LA and sign as a free agent. That way CLE keeps their draft picks and cap room and could really build a long term dynasty.

  • Harv 21

    my prob with invoking this parable is that the rower and pilot are not known to be unreliable in a crisis, the boat and chopper are not known to have had breakdowns, and by eyeing Kyrie’s contract Grant has a decent feel for when caution must be thrown to the wind. I’m not as sure that Bynum is missing piece as some others are.

  • Jack

    “I don’t think anyone would say they don’t want Kyrie because of injury concerns. Bynum’s recent history shows us he has been mostly healthy and I don’t think injury concerns is a good reason to not go out and get him.”

    I know you’re not discrediting his injuries as something to be aware of, but I disagree with the weight they carry (as much as those knees of his). I don’t think putting these two in parallel means anything. I agree that GMs wouldn’t be losing sleep over injury reports when acquiring Kyrie–I don’t think that would be justified. I do, however, think it would be justified to be hesitant pulling the trigger on Bynum based on injury history. Maybe not “a good reason” but certainly not a “bad reason”…don’t you think that’s at least some part of the Lakers’ thinking?

    I know Howard is a much better complement to Gasol and is certainly a better fit for them than Bynum. But they could work an extension with Bynum. And even though the probability isn’t high that Dwight finds a landing spot in FA that lures him from LAL, they’re still risking a contractually certain future with the 2nd best center for a contractually uncertain one with the alpha…I think the lingering memory of injuries past is certainly playing into that to some degree.

  • mgbode

    here’s the thing though. find a top center in the NBA w/o injury issues (and serious ones)
    Dwight, Bynum, Horford, Jefferson, Garnett, Bogut all have serious injury histories.

    Marc Gasol is likely the best w/o one (would have been Duncan a couple years ago – another feather in his cap)

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Yeah, it’s possible he might leave. And if we don’t make the trade, then we have a 0% chance of getting Bynum. What’s the point of hanging on to assets if you’re not going to use them when the opportunity to acquire a 24 year old superstar presents itself? How many more chances will the Cavaliers have to get a player as good as Bynum?

    I wish Cavs fans had more confidence in this franchise. I feel quite strongly that if we give Bynum a year to experience playing with Kyrie and building something special here, that he will be happy to stay.

  • mgbode

    I agree full-heartedly with this statement. I think it’s why we should trade for him (after talking with him and doing a sanity check that he will be receptive of the possibility)

  • mgbode

    depends on what Orlando wants. if they value Houston’s draft picks (already made) more than our future ones (or TT/Zeller), then an argument can be made that way. but, I think it’s 50/50 which they prefer.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    That’s entirely possible. I certainly can’t discount that as possibly being part of their line of thinking. But I think for them it’s more of, Kobe’s time is running short, we need to strike now, and at this moment, Dwight Howard is definitively the best center in the game. I think they just see it as an upgrade. And I don’t think the Lakers are near as concerned about Howard staying. He’ll stay there.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Yeah, perhaps I should have reiterated in the article, but I’m not saying CLE should do this without talking to Bynum at all. By all means, talk to him, gauge his receptiveness to Cleveland. But if a signed extension is what you need, well, that’s just not going to happen.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    People seem to forget about being Boozer’d in some ways it was a much more agregious move then what James did. The Cavaliers complete failure with Boozer has to rank amongst the worst bungles in Cleveland sports.
    As far as the trade I disagree that the Cavaliers are giving up all of their assets. I have seen Varejao and some picks. The Cavaliers have multiple picks we don’t know which ones they’d deal. As for the cap space Bynum would be on his last year so the Cavaliers wouldn’t be losing anything for the future. I think it’s clear they aren’t signing any big time free agents so for me adding Bynum and subtracting Varejao is a wash as far as money goes for the upcoming season.
    I would agree with Andrew in that it would benefit the Cavaliers more to have Bynum here for a year to play under Scott and alongside Irving then it would to try and court him a year from now when other teams will be doing the same.

  • mgbode

    agreed

  • maxfnmloans

    I think from the time the Cavs won the lottery in 2003 LeBron was waiting for the “right” time to pull the eject handle. If he was ever going to stay past 2010, he would have signed an extension, quietly, a la Kevin Durant. He would have worked harder to recruit players to come play with him. He would not have allowed uncertainty over his status to be a reason for other players to be wary of the situation.

    I think he stayed as long as he did out of feelings of obligation. That’s why I think he was so taken aback by local fan reaction when he left. He probably felt like he had done us a solid by staying as long as he did even though he didnt really want to. Most fans didn’t see it that way because “being in Cleveland” isn’t something they “deal” with, it’s just how it is.

  • Jack

    The driving factors, I agree. Still, you’re being too rational about this injury business. Recent history? Pfff…where is your irrational Cleveland sports anxiety?

    I see knee problems, I worry (read: assume) they will reemerge in CLE…(Then again, looks like God wanted us to know that, despite popularly held belief, he does not hate Cleveland).

    Don’t get me wrong–I still want this deal to go down. Just worried.

  • Jack

    good pt

  • NateOgden

    It’s not the Franchise I doubt. It is 19-26 year old males with more money then they can spend. I left NE Ohio for CA and Vegas for 10 years. In hindsight I would do it again in a heart beat. Young, single and money NE Ohio is not the top place to be. Now in my mid 30s I love NE Ohio. Do you want Bynum and all these other guys in their 30s at the end of their carrier or when they are headed to or in their prime?

    If LeBron, with or without effort?, couldn’t get a single significant free agent to sign here how will KI? Your going to be hard pressed to find young top level players to stay here. The best bet is to draft them so they don’t have a choice or sign them early in their contracts.

    Cavs have done incredible with what they have. I have confidence with 6+ first rounders and a ton of cap space they can pull off something better then renting Bynum for a year. I would argue it is a lack of confidence in the franchise that would lead someone to take such a big gamble on Bynum.

    Couple bad contracts I would do for Bynum.

    Miami and LA picks, and maybe give back their 2nds I would do.

    Picks, AV, and Bad contracts no interest at all, not unless Bynum is under contract.

    I wouldn’t give up AV under any scenerio, he will do more to help us win in the next 2-3 years then an extra draft pick or bad contract. Not to mention when he expires he is probably worth a first rounder at least.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Again, totally different scenarios. The Cavaliers didn’t have the cap space or assets to chase young superstars when LeBron was here. This situation is totally unique. We have one 20 year old potential superstar locked up, and we have the assets to go get a 24 year old superstar. We never had a situation this golden with LeBron.

  • Joe

    Aren’t you placing too much value on Bird rights? If they really were that valuable, this entire situation wouldn’t be happening and Howard would just be resigning in Orlando.

  • JK

    Last time I asked you said you hate Cleveland & me……

  • Tron

    I’m trying to say it’s too large of a risk to give up multiple draft picks for the next few years if you have no assurances he won’t reup with you after his contract is up. To pin your hopes on him resigning because WE think Kyrie is awesome (Bynum might hate him, who knows) and we can give him more money is crazy. This is not the NBA of 10 or 15 years ago. Look at Ray Allen, he left a lot on the table just to buddy up and get another ring. These players don’t look at it the way fans do, Bynum might only want the easy path next year. I don’t make this trade without him at least giving a gentlemans handshake on resigning for a max contract.

  • http://www.zfcomics.com dgriff13

    great story, good metaphor for our situation. Lets stop waiting for divine intervention (another star from the draft) and jump on the Bynum helicopter already, Grant. This is our chance. Chance doesn’t mean “guarantee”, we have to accept that and give it a shot… take our lumps if it doesn’t work out, and celebrate like fools in the street if it does.
    And everyone wears andy wigs when he returns. Love that guy.
    *not getting hopes up, not getting hopes up, not getting hopes up, not getting hopes up, *

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    I’m going to kind of nitpick here, but Ray Allen chose the Heat for political reasons. He was angry with the Celtics for a multitude of reasons (trying to trade him, never offering him an extension earlier, his dissatisfaction with Rondo, the fact the Celtics acquired Jason Terry, etc). You can’t compare the reasons why a 40 year old veteran takes a certain deal with the reasons why a 24 year old superstar does.

    As for the point at hand, the Cavaliers will have an opportunity to talk to Bynum and his agent before this deal is done. They’ll have a chance to feel him out and see what kind of feedback they get. They don’t have to do it blind.

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    It’s not JUST the Bird Rights. That’s one variable in a large equation. It’s also being paired with Kyrie Irving, playing for Byron Scott (who evidently Bynum has a strong relationship with), it’s the fact that he would be the man in Cleveland in a way he wouldn’t be in LA, it’s that he would have a whole year to develop relationships in Cleveland and see what the Cavaliers are trying to build. And yes, it would be that Cleveland would hold his Bird Rights. But you have to look at the whole picture.

  • Kekoa

    Bravo, on an eloquent piece. Obviously, we share the same view.

  • God

    Three times I tried to save you, Cleveland…and you refused each time. First I offered you Pedro Martinez and you refused….second I offered you Tim Couch and you made him cry…..then I offered you my son, Tim Tebow and you passed.

  • floydrubino

    Your right with this owner and gm in place we need a miracle or something to win a championship. Here’s a thought why don’t we start heavily scrutinizing the cavs for making stupid draft picks after getting a real golden opportunity to do something. The cavs already had their divine intervention by getting Kyrie. How much miracle help does gilbert need when he had 3 draft picks in the last 2 years in the top 4. Don’t blame anyone else other than the people that make decisions and stop giving them an out by saying we are cursed. Honestly the problem is the owners who think all of us are so grateful for them to have the team here. Cleveland is a golden egg if you have any competence and know what your doing but unfortunately our front office and execs are stupid and make moronic decisions and people give them an out by saying the only way to build a winner is through a miracle. Instead of viewing like this why don’t we pray for some new owners who have enough common sense to put the right people in place that build winners. Lerner took 10 years or so to figure it out and really that’s a joke that we had to sit here and wait for this long for him to figure it out. Gilbert is on 10 years or so of having people in place that just aren’t getting it done. Results matter and are the only measuring stick you should use for success.

  • Dee P

    This is a great “think piece” (Almost Famous) and it gets me thinking. The story in the beginning is about not being blind to opportunity, but shouldn’t we also learn from our mistakes? Time and time again we sacrificed the future of the franchise for one player….and it didn’t work, and now we are cleaning up the mess. Now we have a ton of first round picks over the next three years and a solid young core of four current first round picks. That will give us 10 first round picks on our roster by 2016. Sure, finding a player like Bynum in the draft is hard – but not impossible – who says we can’t? If we roll the dice and make this deal and send off some of those first round picks while at the same time “hoping” the star re-signs with us and doesn’t leave us high and dry, then call me shell shocked but that leaves me scared. I’ve seen this movie before.

  • mgbode

    TT/Dion vs. TRob/Klay. It’s gonna be a fun year of discussion.

    also, the entire point of the article is that we are in position to make a move for Bynum because the FO wisely spent the last 2 seasons collecting assets.

  • Lunch

    If this trade rumor starts to produce some legs, then I hope Chris Grant does a risk assessment on Bynum to determine, and possibly reduce the amount of items that has to be given up in order to get him. Perhaps 2 or 3 draft picks and one player tops is how far I would go for someone who I feel is a high risk, high reward player.

    Speaking of trades, to Andrew, Mgbode, & Jack, thank you for your replies to my questioning about conversations involving rumored trades, and made-up trade senarios. I took them too seriously ever since I saw posts from some old Cavs forums years ago where “fans” made trade posts in such a way that made me feel that they were undermining the intellengce of Grant, and every other GM in the NBA. I will now look at this information as harmless fun from now on. Thanks again. :)

  • mgbode

    well, we did have the assets, but we got scared when LeBron was going to be a RFA and panic-signed Hughes, Donyell, and ‘Amon ‘ones.

    That was our “chance” to do something and we whiffed. We seem to be intent on not making the same mistake again.

  • mgbode

    the boat could have a hole in it and choppers have a high crash rate compared to planes. but, when you’re sitting on top of your house and about to drown, you have to take your chances.