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Wojnarowski: Cavaliers Out of the Dwight Howard Trade Situation

July 10, 2012 by 80 Comments

Much of the past couple days have been spent focusing on the potential 3-4 team trade to get Dwight Howard from Orlando to Brooklyn. The Cleveland Cavaliers were expected to be the 3rd team involved in the trade, looking to acquire Kris Humphries and a first round pick for their troubles.

According to Yahoo!’s Adrian Wojnarowski, though, the Cavaliers are no longer involved in the trade discussions:

Not only is Cleveland out, but it sounds as if the trade itself seems to be falling apart, with the Magic and Nets now trying to focus on a deal just between the two teams:

As always, the Cavaliers have not and will not comment on this trade. Despite some ridiculous speculation that the Cavaliers were looking to facilitate this trade to “stick it” to LeBron by creating another Eastern Conference power, the reality of the situation is the Cavaliers were merely looking to add assets for nothing. When it became clear, though, that Kris Humphries wanted a longer deal than the Cavaliers were comfortable giving him, the Cavaliers walked away from the table.

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  • BrownsFanSF

    An unprotected lottery pick for eating Baron Davis’ contract on a team devoid of talent is very different from a mid 20s first rounder for eating Hump’s contact on a team full of young players who need minutes.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    No, the fake Pat is right… Grant wasted those draft picks on guys with terrible names. Name one other Tristan who was good at sports? What about a Waiters? Nada. There was already a good Irving, so you knew that one was a slam dunk (you know who you are, Irving Fryar). We don’t need to see another second of basketball… case closed!

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Nice… I’m assuming you’re using a scale here, so I guess that puts JuJuan Johnson’s ceiling at 3 points & -1 rebounds per game.

  • mgbode

    well, he’s going to turn 21yo, so obviously that means he’s tapped out his potential, right?

  • mgbode

    are you saying Cornish knights were unathletic?

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I’m not saying it, but I’m not NOT saying it… you know?

  • mgbode

    well, then beware the wrath of Isolde. Rich, emotionally unstable and Irish is a dangerous combination.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I’m more fearing the wrath of King Ludwig II… talk about unstable.

  • mgbode

    which is why Ludwig believed himself the real-life Isolde to Wagner’s Tristan

  • BrownsFanSF

    Sounds like this girl I used to date…

  • Jaker

    Look I wouldnt give him 4 years, but if a 3yr deal would get it done it would be worth it in my eyes (and I’m NOT the GM so I may be wrong). his deal would come up in time to give Kyrie a huge extension and we have so much space that we could sign a Bynum or someone else of his magnitude (if Bynum ACTUALLY wants Cleveland, I’d be all for it). I just thought that Hump could be part of a Trade to net us Bynum. Think about it, Bynum for Hump, Zeller, Gibson, Heat first rounder, nets first rounder, kings’ protected pick. I think that would get it done for us but if I’m wrong, hey I’m wrong. Its an exciting time to be a Cavs fan, but I guess I shouldn’t get too into the trade rumors. its always more complicated than it seems. GO CAVS!

  • mgbode

    but, there’s a reason that Orlando forced the Nets to find a different team to take K-Hump in any Dwight trade scenario.

  • mgbode

    well, for awhile, that could be a cool combination too I suppose

  • floydrubino

    The cavs paid Davis 30 million essentially for 1 of work and it was no guarantee that the pick would turn out to be no. 1. And we still don’t know what our talent level is so if we could get brooks and a 1st rounder then it’s worth it. The only person it would hurt is gilbert for luxury tax because you could front load the contract so you would barely be taking a salary cap hit in 2 years. We still have plenty of minutes to play him because we will probably end up trading varejao. We don’t know if the player we will get from the deal will end up being a mano ginobili type player that could put us over the top. If we could get Brooks and a 1st rounder and all we have to do is take on a front loaded humphries contract we would be stupid not too. Like I said in 1st post without brooks and 1st rounder it’s easy to walk away.

  • floydrubino

    You look foolish when you compare stats. Humphries was picked later therefore his team was better and probably asked him to do less. If humphries is playing and the 4th option and TT is the 2nd option way to compare stats and be so simple minded that you can’t take in any consideration of game dynamics. Go ahead and float out stats because it means nothing to me because every team asked people to do different things and when a player plays on a great team and they are the 5th option and your comparing someone who is the 2nd option it just looks ridiculous.

  • floydrubino

    The only problem with this scenario is if you pass up T-Rob and he averages 18 and 12 and TT averages 10 and 8 then we just missed out on those points and rebounds each night. 82 games X 8 points starts equaling up to some big numbers. If you don’t realize how picking an average player because of position need and passing over on good all star caliber players is a detriment to the team then no wonder why Gilbert and Grant get away with this crap without scrutiny.

  • floydrubino

    I wonder what Jujuan would of averaged if he had all those minutes and was the #2 option on the team.

  • floydrubino

    I know I’m convinced.

  • floydrubino

    We don’t now what we could of got because they were still trying to do it with only 2 teams and the nets were going to take on a ridiculous amount of luxury tax. That’s why I said if we don’t get Brooks and a 1st rounder it is an easy deal to walk away from.

  • floydrubino

    Because we just passed on a guy who will average 18 and 12 and can defend the pick and roll way better because they picked him.

  • floydrubino

    No he will turn into an incredible shooter overnight and have coordination all of a sudden around the basket. I heard Dirk Nowitski was terrible at shooting until his 21st birthday.

  • mgbode

    TT was not usually the 2nd option though. Also, Kris shot 37%. As the 4th option that you apparently know he was, shouldn’t he have had less attention from the defense?
    and, look at the adjusted stats. Kris went from an inefficient 11/9 guy with Utah his 2nd year to a much more efficient 14/11 guy the past few years for NJ. TT is already MORE efficient 12/10 guy, so he likely will end up better than Kris by the end of his career.

  • mgbode

    TRob might and he might not. Still hasn’t played in the NBA and he did struggle some vs. stronger players in college.

  • mgbode

    as mentioned, he’s already averaging 12/10 per 36min. if he refines his offensive game (yes, players do improve) then the points should go up a bit.

  • mgbode

    or Grant thought Waiters was better than TRob. that is quite a possibility you know.

  • mgbode

    wondering if you looked up Dirk’s stat page. if so, well done.

    yes, Dirk shot 40%FG, 21%3pt (though a good 77%FT) his rookie year w/ 14pt/6.5rb 36min/game averages.

    21st birthday hits and he goes 46%FG, 38%3pt

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    note: TT is not Dirk. noone expects him to be Dirk shooting. his game hopefully will evolve into a defensive stopper along with a decent 10fter and some inside moves, while being a + rebounder. He’s a paint-guy, Dirk’s an arc-guy.

    just noting it’s funny that you mentioned Dirk like that (and is yet another example of players improving after their rookie years – like pretty much all players do)

  • BrownsFanSF

    We didn’t pass on TRob to get TT. We passed on TRob to get Waiters. The question (and rightfully so) is will the combo of TT and Waiters be better than the Combo of Jonas V and TRob. No one can answer that, 3/4ths of those players haven’t played in the NBA yet and the other one showed flashes of NBA level skill (27 point game) marred in rookie inefficiency.

    Let’s talk about it after this year/if and when Jonas comes over.

  • BrownsFanSF

    Exactly! Let’s talk the TRob/Jonas V vs TT/Waiters thing after this season. For all we know TRob could be pumping gas this time next year and Jonas never may never come over.

    or TRob turns out to be a nice tough balanced big and Jonas is the second coming of Tyson Chandler. We don’t know, neither of these guys have touched NBA pine, but we can’t kill Grant for it until we actually know what we got vs what we missed.

  • BrownsFanSF

    I can’t do the TT thing with you anymore man. We know how each other feel about the guy at this point. We’re going to keep throwing numbers and words like “potential” at ya. Ur gonna keep saying you don’t see it in him.

    I think this dead horse is thoroughly beaten.

  • mgbode

    more dead horses get beaten in July than any other month of the sports calendar

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