May 19, 2013

Sifting Through The Wahoo Rubble

The Indians lost last night, extending their season long losing streak to seven games. Just one week ago, the Tribe had taken two out of three against these same Tigers in a last ditch effort to hang with the White Sox and Tigers. They sat at 50-49 after beating Justin Verlander, and hopes were relatively high again. Now, with the streak and the symbolic subtractions of veterans Lowe and Damon, all doubt has been removed and this team is not playing beyond Game 162.

Right now, there’s a lot of collective anger to go around, and fans are falling into both educated and not-so-educated trains of thought. The Dolans are cheap. Antonetti blew what little money he had this offseason. The MLB economic structure itself is criminal. The players are’t giving it their all. Acta has lost the team. Meanwhile, us fans are dead last when stacked up against 29 other teams’ fans. It certainly seems that the Indians are caught in contention limbo. The real question is what can they and we as fans do about it now?

I think we all understand this team needs more to contend. As their starting rotation has displayed so eloquently in the last two weeks, the Tribe lacks an ace as well as a true number two starter. Justin Masterson and Ubaldo Jimenez could have been the two most important players on this roster heading into the season. And, sifting through the rubble that is now the 2012 campaign, they would be the first two players’ names I would bring up when we’re talking about most disappointing seasons and most crippling blows to the team. Hitting is down everywhere across the bigs, and make no mistake, any lineup that is trotting out Casey Kotchman, Johnny Damon (formerly), and Jack Hannahan daily 1 has issues. But, if Masterson and Jimenez had performed up to the level of expectations in the first two months when Gomez and Lowe were both going so well and carrying the starting staff, the Indians would’ve had a ten-game lead in the Central and this seven-game slide would’ve only dropped them out of first place instead of knocking them out of contention period. 

You’ve heard me say this before, but the all-in move of acquiring Jimenez is now down to 2013 to deliver for giving up our top prospect in Drew Pomeranz. What was the point without subsequent boosting moves? With a farm system as depleted at the high levels as ours is right now, it just wasn’t worth it to pull that off. I will say that the Shapiro-Antonetti duo has been able to pull off some spectacular low-profile deals 2 But, when push comes to shove, the talent isn’t coming up through the ranks, they made poor signings 3 , their high-profile deals failed to deliver enough and they’re not spending to fill gaping holes. Some will blame Acta, but I’m looking squarely at the front office.

This is now the time of year to do exactly what they’ve been doing and cut the veterans loose and play the young guns. The problem being? All of the young players worth a dime are already on the current roster and playing huge roles. Kluber, Rottino, Seddon, and Carrera are NOT prospects, and the fact that the Tribe has no one younger and more MLB-ready to step in is just pathetic. Last year, at least we were able to go to the minor leagues and bring up Kipnis and Chisenhall. This year, there’s no big name walking through that door.

This is a pretty gloom and doom article overall, because that’s where many of us are at with our Tribe fandom right now. However, there are still some glimmers of hope. There’s the makings of a young core still here. Kipnis, Cabrera, Brantley, Chisenhall, Santana, Masterson, and Pestano are all pieces of a prospective contending team. Hopefully, some of the likes of Paulino, Lindor, Aguilar, Rodriguez, Wolters, and Naquin will be here before long 4 . Choo and Perez are the question marks. Can we hold onto them? Should we hold onto them or attempt to replenish some of our minor league reserves with near-major league ready players? I don’t know the right answer. What I do know is that the bullpen is the strength of this team and it’s the easiest thing to construct. I also know that Scott Boras will never let Choo sign back here in Cleveland without breaking the bank.

Above all though, between the ownership whining about the financial handcuffs they are under and the fans whining about the product on the field and the trading away of their heroes, it’s not a good situation. I maintain that ownership is going to have to take the first leap of faith and financial commitment. 5 As Indians fans, I believe we are rightly skeptical of an organization who has one end-to-end bright spot season since 2001. It’s not right, it’s not fair, but I do think it’s the case that the Dolans will have to in fact build it for us to come. People are upset about the economic imbalance in the game, the inability for the team to keep its own stars, and the inability of the scouting department to effectively draft and replace those guys that we are losing to free agency 6 Granted, the Indians have been on the whole successful when stacked up against the likes of Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Kansas City, but that doesn’t mean we can’t demand better and vote with our wallet. Largely, I think that’s what fans are doing right now.

It’s never going to be the 90′s again for the Indians. Not until some sort of salary cap is established. 455 is only a number in right field now. But, I refuse to believe this isn’t a situation where ownership can spend when the time is right and the window is truly open. I feel we have the capacity to support the team in appropriate numbers for a small market team.((Read: not dead last, maybe 15th-20th?)) This is not a bad baseball town, but it is one that’s been bumped and bruised with animosity flowing in both directions.

Is this is an irrevocably broken baseball organization and fan base? Do the Indians have the ammo to compete in 2013 or should they rebuild? Do we need a new direction? Like the losses, the questions are piling up as we head into the heart of August.

(Photo: Chuck Crow/The Plain Dealer)

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  1. Not to mention a slumping-until-recently Carlos Santana and an over-the-hill Hafner [back]
  2. After all, we have those to thank for most of our core in Perez, Santana, Choo, and Cabrera. [back]
  3. Grady Sizemore [back]
  4. 2014 for some of them given the lack of depth in the system? [back]
  5. I’ll have more about Cleveland owners tomorrow. [back]
  6. Or, more accurately, losing to trades 2 or 14 months before we would lose them to free agency. [back]

  • http://twitter.com/GreatestHurley Jason Hurley

    It’s not irrevocably broken – none of it is. But, the front office and ownership needs to make some very serious, and very smart decisions now (or a new front office, but I don’t want to argue that right here).
    Do they lock up their young core with eyes towards the next wave of talent hitting in 2014/2015 and make a run then? I would think you would at this point. Anyone who isn’t part of that movement (Perez and Choo namely) should be traded for more young talent to hopefully hit the bigs in that timeframe.
    This organization needs depth like whoa, so they need to make good decisions or it will be irrevocably broken.

  • Pickem

    plenty of small market teams do just fine without a salary cap. salary caps are overrated, big stars go tobig towns pretty much in every sport. the new collective bargaining rules are essentially a salary cap anyhow. The problem is not financial, its the baseball side of the operation just not being very good at what it does.

  • Dee P

    Kirk, I think you answered your own question within the article. You listed the pieces of our prospective contending team, and Choo and Perez were not on that list. Therefore, yes….you trade the, this offseason for more players that you can add to the list of your prospective contending team. You keep adding until youth at list reaches 25. Then you test your decisions by seeing if the prospective contending team turns into an actual contending team. Let’s not make this harder than it needs to be by feeling sad or bad about dealing away players that are not a part of your core.

  • Dee P

    Sorry….auto correct ruined my whole point, and too lazy to clear it up.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Funny I don’t remember hearing or reading many people questioning this team back in May I know I didn’t see people rightfully discussing the starting rotation led by either Jimenez or Masterson as substandard. Everyone knew LF was a hole and a few people questioned 1B but for the most part people just loved Hannahan at 3B. Of course both he and his bat stopped working so that reopened the hole at third. Chisenhall going down was another tough break figuratively and literally but lets all be honest what were/are the chances he’s the answer at 3B?

    The financial system of baseball is a definite problem but lets face it this front office completely blew almost every personnel decision they made and coming off a season like last year this was something absolutely inexcusable.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jason-Freed/1674499386 Jason Freed

    I like Choo and Perez a lot (especially Perez) but if you look at the roster objectively, they are the only two players that could bring in a decent return. The key will be to strike when the market is best…offseason or next year’s trade deadline?

    I’m not entirely sure. In the offseason you’ll have a greater number of potential suitors, but at the next trade deadline you could catch a desperate team willing to throw away a lot of prospects.

    Trading away your two best assets had better bring in multiple MLB ready players under 25-26. I’m thinking you have to get at least 2 legit arms and solid 1B and OF to bring us up to the level of Detroit or Chicago.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I don’t think you can completely dismiss the differences in markets but for to long the Indians have used it as an excuse/crutch to try and cover up for their horrible personnel decisions. You would need a multibillionaire to own this team to make up for the absolute horrific drafting by this organization. It hasn’t been until the last two or so years that they had anything to show and even then other then a few guys I don’t think it’s been that impressive.

    It’s great having ownership who will spend but people can’t overlook how many of the top teams in baseball are loaded with their own talent. Not only do they have the $$$ but they have the assets. The Indians have neither.

  • cmm13

    Chisenhall will be playing 3rd all year next season.

    I know you only visit here when the Sawx have the day off or somehow ESPN doesn’t have a scathing fried chicken conspiracy to boast but do try and keep up. ;)

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Mmmm I do likes me some fried chicken but why did you feel the need to rub in the pitiful performance by the Sox? You are simply a meanie!
    As for Chisenhall lets hope so I mean it couldn’t get any worse right? ;-)

  • SDA

    Its time to clean house. In the front office

  • stryker1121

    Unfortunately, the casual fan’s relationship with this ownership group is d*mn near irrevocably broken. The Dolans will have to flip their biz model and take the chance that if they build it, the people will come. The Tribe does not deserve credit for making one ‘big splash’ move (Baldo) in five years, particularly when followed by such a weak, risk-averse, and all together limp-wristed follow up to that move. FO needs to go ‘all in’ for next season, but even w/ Pronk and some other salaries going off the books, i have zero faith the team will add a significant piece either in the rotation or the lineup.

    I would hate to see Choo get dealt in the off-season. If the Tribe’s in the same position standings-wise a yr from now, by all means jettison him for prospects. But with a lineup already carrying four holes, trading Choo raises the white flag for ’13.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joe-Murphy/30101207 Joe Murphy

    Is it even worth having a baseball team in Cleveland anymore? I understand removing them would be a bit of a downer on the economy, but passion or emotion wise would it be that upsetting?

    I’m sure some of you (or all of you) will vehemently disagree and proclaim your love for the history of Indians baseball, but modern day game is not fun for small market teams.

    Maybe if all the stars aligned perfectly (If Ubaldo regained 2010 form, If Grady’s ligaments got limber, if Johnny Damon had a miracle year of resurgence, if Josh Tomlin continued his overachievements from 2011, and if Matt Laporte shook off his cloud of inconfidence) we might put together a fluke of a run. But that’s really all we have to hope for, is a one year fluke.

    I don’t know about you, but I’m not terrified of the thought of never watching baseball.

  • mgbode

    Hannahan: do you not remember the constant jokes/barbs about pretending Mother’s Day was actually Easter and the like? for whatever reason, Hanny is great in April (and this year into May) but pretty terrible after
    the rotation, yeah, the thought was the bottom was holding its end and the top would come alive at some point even if the bottom faltered. of course, the bottom falling out and the top going with them sure is another story

  • Natedawg86

    bumped and bruised? More like beaten and broken…on a lighter note, GO BROWNIES!

  • Guest17

    I think you nailed the problem with the team, Masterson has been bad, and Jimenez has been terrible. These are your best two starters, playing like AAA depth call ups. Almost no team could survive that, and the Indians problems were further exasperated by Sizemore’s injury Purgatory, Hernadez’s identity troubles, and a loss of reliable long and middle relief.

    Still, there are reasons to (still) be optimistic about 2013. Just as Masterson and Jimenez had down season’s, next year they may hopefully rebound and pitch well. Jimenez, despite his abysmal 2012, still has a career ERA of 3.95, despite pitching most of it in Colorado, the most hitter friendly park in the majors by a wide margin.

    Furthermore, with SIzemore and Hafner’s bad contracts coming off the books, they will finally have the financial flexibility to go after impact free agents. There is nothing wrong with chasing buy low options like Hannahan was and hoping to strike lightning or at least get depth. However, in 2012 they just didn’t have the money to go after the likes of Carlos Beltran, to say nothing of Puljos or Fielder.

    Personally, I think we need to chase a better defensive SS, and move Cabrera to the hot corner or first base. He has had just a ton of defensive miscues this season, and just doesn’t seems to have the range to play SS as effectively as the team needs.

  • Leo C

    the MLB salary system is what it is….until it changes you have to have owners who will spend money whether things work out or not. having a cheap owner is killing this team and antonetti really can’t get anything going. theres not a big connection with fans because they know deep down this team only has so much before they crash and burn. they did nothing to improve from last year and this team could do worse than they did a year ago. they added guys we never heard of that sucked at hitting. they kept guys who were not helping the team (grady, fausto roberto, among others) and then kept saying ‘well guys need to play to potential’ well what if this is their potential. Santana hasn’t looked that great in his years with Indians but they still gave him a huge contract. and he can’t even hit .300 and is supposedly a ‘power hitter’ everything is just completely messed up with this team and the fact they are on back burner behind Browns and maybe Cavs makes it worse than usual. If the Indians can spend money and have owners who can and will do it, small market means nothing. They contended before with same salary system for many years. They have capability to do it again. Look at Browns, with new ownership everything is going to get better with them. It can happen with Indians.

  • mgbode

    interesting solution. a defensive SS does have more value than a defensive 1B, so solve the dearth of FA 1B by moving Cabrera there. though his numbers won’t look as good coming from 1B the defensive lift makes sense.

  • mgbode

    i wonder how Cabrera would respond to it.

  • mgbode

    i agree the FO needs to do a better job.
    but, to completely dismiss the inequities of having a $65mil payroll as compared to a $175mil payroll is a tad ridiculous.

  • SDA

    I think the problem is more about excuses. Winners find ways to win, losers keep making excuses. The Indians front office has becomes very adept at making excuses.

  • MassillonBuckeye

    I was in Boston this weekend for work and decided to take in a Red Sox game at Fenway. Now, this is a team that as of last night was 9.5 games out of first. Paid attendance:37k +. At that dump of a stadium no less. There is a cultural difference. The Red Sox fans know that ownership won’t stand pat for years on end waiting for the next minor league star to come along. They will do whatever is necessary to field a winning team. I understand big market vs small market. I am merely pointing out the disparity between the two places. It’s like we aren’t even playing the same sport as teams like the Red Sox.