WFNY Podcast – 2012-09-11 – Browns, Buckeyes, Suspensions and 2-point Conversions
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September 11, 2012I can’t say that I wouldn’t be unhappy with Andy Reid’s play selection Sunday if I were an Eagles fan. It’s interesting to read such fallout for the coaches of the winning team. Leave it to Whitlock to resort to name-calling. At some point that probably detracts from credibility in most people’s minds.
In a tight game the Eagles led for much of the day, Reid waited until the fourth quarter, until after Vick’s fourth interception, to realize he needed to feature McCoy. Vick threw the ball 56 times on a day McCoy averaged 5.5 yards per carry.
Andy Reid is a moron. I mean that. I don’t care how many regular-season games he’s won. Or maybe Reid wants Vick carried off on a cart so the Eagles can switch to a quarterback who can actually play the game from the pocket with some savvy.
All name-calling aside, I can’t say that I disagree with his other assessment. The Cleveland Browns were leaving T.J. Ward and Eric Hagg anywhere from about 12 yards to 17 yards deep to start plays. They absolutely were going to try and take away Vick’s long ball. Still, “moron” seems so permanent, doesn’t it?
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Good point, Craig. As a registered moron myself, I know how harsh a characterization that can be. How about we say “temporarily addled” instead? Or “momentarily imprudent”? Or perhaps “transiently configured in a cranioposterior orientation”?
Wait, just yesterday I resigned myself to the idea that Mr.Cleaveland and his confederates were the morons. Maybe it’s the proximity to Lake Erie. This is all pretty confusing.
And this is exactly why I don’t buy the arguments (ahem Craig) that the defense was really that good on Sunday. Reid and Vick making bad decisions isn’t a sign that they’re going to get enough stops.
That’s not fair. The defense stifled what was thrown at them. That is all you can ask of them.
I’m more surprised someone still pays Whitlock.
there is something in the water piped into any Browns facility. How else to explain the cavalcade of seemingly reasonable and sound football minds that show up on Lou Groza Blvd. only to completely lose their minds and start doing things in the most bassackwards way possible?
From a distance many of these “great football minds” have made excellent football decisions in the past, only to show up here, hire Dwight Clark, talk about plastic bottles not packing much of a “wallop”, start QB controversies, go with their “gut”, drop F bombs to fans in emails, allow their players to run around barefoot, flip coins for starting QBs, (behavior redacted due to Kokinis settlement), string coaches along when everyone knows hes a dead man walking, more QB drama, etc. etc.
I’m convinced there is something in the water. Perhaps too much fluoride is added and that causes synapse response to slow dramatically? Someone should call the EPA
he used to be really good. even if I didnt agree with him, I always appreciated how he made an effort to see a story from an interesting perspective. Since his move full time to Fox and away from KC, it seems like he’s become another version of Skip Bayless. Just trolling and generating clicks to keep that bank coming in. So long as you generate clicks, yo are worth money, right, wrong, or indifferent.
Meanwhile, it’s 9/11 and firefighters all across he country are worried about losing their benefits. And if Kim Kardashian were a country, she’d have had the 73rd highest GNP in the world last year. The internet is great, but it also allows morons (ha ha, moron…see what I did there?) to get PAID while we continue to neglect the real elements of society that could actually make things better for our kids.
/weeps for future
/climbs down from soap box
/returns to unhealthy (and somewhat hypocritical) obsession with NFL
Agree 100%.. McCoy was gashing us every time he touched the ball. It honestly seems like the Eagles tried really hard to lose this game from the HC to the QB.
Also, McCoy is on my fantasy team.. sooo… just give em the damn ball.
Wait. Mr. Cleaveland has confederates? Does this mean he’s also a slaveholder, in addition to being a “moron”? Or is it just the “states rights” thing? Regardless, we need another Gettysburg to thin his ranks out a little bit. If not, we’ll all speaking with a southern twang – and I’m not just whistling Dixie.
if there were a “comment of the day” award, and if I were for reasons unknown, in charge of giving it out, you would win.
Moron.
(I only say that because you temporarily addled my brain with stuff I don’t understand.)
We voted on it. You ARE in charge. Go ahead!
well then, Maxfnmloans, consider yourself duly awarded!
Is this where we drop our “If Kim Kardashian were a country . . . ” jokes? ‘Cuz, I’ve got a million of ’em.
…and there was much rejoicing
I’m always down for a good joke. So long as one is about the size of her hind end being the size of a country
I vote for “Momentary Lapse of Reason” It is a very good album
Where have you been? The nerdness has been flying around like Weeden overthrows ever since the Sunday debacle. We missed your wry expositories.
I was thinking more of an “immigration” type joke (not racial, but more of an “open access” type thing) – but I’m not sure it would meet the “family values” censoring of this fine site.
And now that I’ve made your mind wander into areas that it shouldn’t, I bid you “adieu.”
I see where you are going, fine work indeed
Coming off of vacation, and dealing with the piles and piles of pseudo nerd work that accumulated therein.
One of the benefits, and risks, of homeschooling the kids. I can take vacation in the off-season, but nobody else seems to care (as their vacations have long since passed).
I will try to be more attentive to the needs of the true nerdery.
I’m not going there!
Precisely. The Browns didn’t make the adjustment in the fourth quarter right away, but who knows how well or horribly they would’ve adjusted if Reid hadn’t been so “moron”ic in Jason Whitlock’s eyes earlier? I’m guessing we’ll find out this week as I’m sure Cincy will run it a fair amount of times against the Browns to find out even with A.J. Green on the roster.
Alternate theory: Andy Reid is actually a genius. (I partially mean this.)
Listen, if you know (as we all did) that McCoy was able to burn the Browns at any point in the game, and equally know (as we all did) that the Browns’ QB was having one of the single worst performances in the history of athletic competition in this or any solar system, and you equally know (as we all did) that your QB is very rusty on account of not playing in the pre-season, then why not throw the ball 56 times? After all, it worked, in the end. But even if it didn’t, Reid had the trump card in his hand. He just didn’t have to play it.
Fine, our defense can stop Michael Vick from throwing the ball up for grabs when they know its coming. How is that going to help them win games the rest of the way?
Speaking of Weeden overthrows, why has no one explained them thusly: he has our long-sought cold weather arm, the kind Holms sought that could throw a pea through the teeth of a nor’easter. Last Sunday was 70 and beautific and he wasn’t bred for that. He’s a November/December sort of QB, and dadgum, can’t we all just hold onto our britches until the bye-week, those bad boys will be settling nicely, slo-motion like, into the glue fingers of our long and lean receivers..
Hope the above qualifies as a temporary lapse into lucidity. Or maybe just some non-specific discharge leaking out the ol’ ear, again.
I get the point that the Browns have to deal with what’s being thrown at them. I’m looking at a bigger picture. As long as the Browns are allowing teams to gash them with the run game (as happened all of last year too), they’re not going to get enough stops to win games.
already regret the slippage into “britches” and “dadgum,” the latter of which was certainly made up by a bad hollywood writer in the ’30s. Can’t stay in character today, any character. Like Weeden watching game film, leaving it up there as a reminder of what comes from lack of focus, hubris, chewing too much of dad gum, whatever.
Not everyone can be fluent in hobospeak. Embrace it. Don’t regret it. Not for a minute, you hear me?
I don’t disagree with that. I was just saying……
And Whitlock is 100% right.
The headline would be accurate if you took out “Andy Reid” and “against Browns”
all right, paw. (Agh, stuck again! Maybe good and stuck this time. Like a … like a …)
and anytime his team gets too high of itself this season, he can pop in the Browns tape. GENIUS!
no, you have it all wrong. Mr. C is more like Texas in that he latched onto the confederate bandwagon in hopes of becoming an independent nation. Much like Ms. Kardashian.
This is a great chicken and egg discussion. Browns defense was taking away Vick’s bread and butter plays by playing deep safety. This left the running game open (I should say WIDE open since we can’t maintain gaps). Therefore, McCoy was getting great runs when they used him. If the eagles started runnig, the defense would have changed.
What DID happen was 4 INTs and only 17 points because Vick was forced to throw into double coverage all day long.
“I can’t say that I wouldn’t be unhappy with Andy Reid’s play selection Sunday if I were an Eagles fan”
Awesome triple negative. So what are you trying to say here cause I can’t follow the train through the third tunnel?
I thought it was because clay pigeons didn’t arrive until late fall/early winter…..
Jason Whitlock: is “a moron” for not running more?
Sorry, my sarcasm is at 96% today…
That’s ok…it wasn’t my best effort. Attempt at making a Jason Whitlock fat joke. He’s also just a moron. And fat