Browns’ Pat Shurmur Discusses Importance of Team History

this is a non issue. I mean… we all get it. I watched it. it still hurts almost 20 years later. But are we really going to criticize Shurmer for breaking down film of the Giants last night instead of watching NFL network?
I can’t wait for Shurmer to be gone, but this is a little heavy handed in my opinion. (even for Cleveland)

I’d listen. And boo. I would boo ’til I was too hoarse to boo. ‘Cuz that’s what we do.

That’s it. We HAVE to get you this job. I’m now officially in the “Fire Schermirs” posse.

Why do I get the feeling that he really doesn’t get it?

and I would get to move back to the Northcoast. double bonus.

Bless you Pat for trying but man I think you should just try and stick to opponents and your team right now, while it’s still your team.

I confess, the thought of Bernie as OC makes me giddy. On numerous levels.

This is the first thing I thought when I read that rambling, unnecessarily long paragraph…LOL

I agree that it is stupid to bang on Shurmur for this, but when your job title of Head Coach has been expanded to include the word Embattled, its time to do something to take the heat off. My idea; Lie. Get up this morning, read some recaps of it, pull a few anectdotes from the recaps change them up a little, go to a press conference and say something like; “Not that you should need any extra motivation, but seeing those fans embrace the players after the last game, boy, that makes me want to bring a winner to this town in the worst way. I wanna be that guy they are hugging in the pound.”
Again, I think it is stupid to criticize these guys for doing their jobs and not watching TV, but it just seems that Holmgren and Shurmur simply don’t have a feel for the absolute desperation this fanbase feels to return to what we were.

what an important bit of history that a Browns head coach needs to become intimate with immediately. Because it’s really important that he understand us, as people, who we are and what’s made us laugh, made us cry. Ya know, maybe it’s easier to just make Bernie the coach, or Bubba Baker.

[Did the genius reporter who castigated Shurmur sniff the irony that the main point of that documentary was not Clevelanders' pain but the relentless, single-minded focus of a coach and his assistants on building a team and ignoring all sentiment, even when it meant enraging the whole region by unceremoniously cutting Kosar in mid-season? Nah, Shurmur just doesn't get us, 1-2-3 thumbs back in mouths].

Maybe check out the “hyperlink” “embedded” in the article?

Okay, seriously, I know you’re like a “bartender” or something, but you really to be a writer . . . or something.

all I got out of that was Joe Thomas (and his hunting arsenal) is on my side. battle lines are drawn sir and I like my side already

yeah, i know. it’s no fun for me either.

i think i’m good, i get it now from the grossi article. shurmur said something and radio got excited and world keeps spinning.

thanks and holy crap.

“We’re going to have to catch up on that after the season. I think this time of year, you don’t have much time to read books and watch movies.”

that’s such a d-bag thing to say. we’re going to catch up on that after the season. lololol…

we all want the browns to win and so for shurmur to succeed. but man… he’s such a tool. he’s doing the crucifixion thing now? im so busy that i never watch tv?

sorry if this is more negativity but our head football coach displays the emotional development of a 17 year old.

Sorry my footnote got cutoff. After the Hit Thomas was so disturbed by his complicity he grew out a pony tail and was last seen at Hopkins with a group of Hare Krishnas.
Ironically the last time Thomas was at Hopkins he was seen asking an unsuspecting Shaun Rogers to “hold his bag” through screening.

well the writer is pat mcmanamon and he’s the most solid ‘big media’ writer in NEO (my opinion).

over working does not = productive. oftentimes its used as a crutch to portray hard work but actually disguises incompetence or a reluctance to stretch oneself into new fields. we see it all the time in IT. a guy proficient in solaris 15 years ago needs to adapt and stretch his skills to growth. “that’s a fine backup script youre maintaining but we really need someone who can integrate rubyonrails to aws.”
im not in any way impressed by the hours he may spend in berea. it has resulted in unprecedented failure. again the stat: 2 1st qtr TDs in 20 games. i do not know of a better metric to measure game planning and preparation. i dont know if it’s possible to do worse.
perhaps coach shurmur should spend less time in berea.

Of course the question was a trap. Your response (and that of McManamon) are proof of it – the veritable rusty jaws of the trap. The question wasn’t “Hey, Pat, you watching the show?” The question was “Are you going to encourage the team to watch it.” That question has one purpose: to open an arbitrary door of criticism to how he manages the team. Maybe his answer was petulant, but the best answer he could have given would have simply been, “No.” But you’d smash his marbles with a hammer for that, too. Hades, you’d find a reason to crush his grapes if he said “yes.” Frankly, I find a petulant answer to a petulant question to be appropriate.

Look, I’m perfectly fine with Shurmur being fired, whenever and however Haslem chooses to do it. It’s his call (or will be soon); but there’s nothing “unprecedented” about the Browns’ failure under Shurmur. Indeed, there was a solid 11 years of precedent before he came. I was a big Mangini fan, but I seem to recall an even worse TD drought during his tenure.
I get that folks have a personal disdain for Shurmur. I don’t get why, and I think it’s childish and petulant in itself, but I do understand that it exists. I’m no fan, necessarily, but I do think that there has been growth. I’m good if Haslem keeps him; I’m fine if Haslem fires him.
In the midst of the disdain and personal hatred, though, I have yet to see one person offer a better, tangible solution and/or option.
(And for the record, I’m not picking a fight. I am a fan of jimkanicki on WFNY.)

couldnt disagree more. mcmanamon is not a predator like grossi or a gossip columnist like MKC. he doesnt have a track record of gotcha. it really doesnt seem like an outlandish trick question and even it it were, i bet you’d be able to parry it a lot more effectively than ‘we’ll watch that after the season.’

i absolutely would not smash his marbles for a simple ‘no’ answer. i dont have a personal disdain for shurmur. i dont think he’s a good coach. but my gripe is with holmgren for hiring him.

my point with the 2 1st qtr TD in 20 games is that that is a metric of game planning. of coaching acumen. mangini had 7 1st TDs in 2010 alone. mangini in 2010 had a lead going into the 2nd qtr ELEVEN times in 2010. shurmur has taken a lead into the 2nd qtr three times over 20. i mean.. imagine that. it speaks directly to his failure to prepare his team.

shurmur sucks. it’s not personal. the data is empirical.

it bothers me to no end that carefully researched data points and logical conclusions disregarded as a personal disdain. i have no reason to hate shurmur. i want the browns to win.

i admit that i do feel strongly that the media in town is lazy and/or incompetent. afterall they were all saying what a good hire shurmur was and were very antagonistic toward mangini. (dont you find it remarkable that tony ‘THINK TDs’ grossi killed mangini for not having enough TDs and has been silent wrt to shurmur?)

better option is willie taggart of wku. charter member of the jack harbaugh tree. but that’s a blog post unto itself. i just dont want it said that a better tangible solution has not been been proposed.

fan of yours too, good talking.

Forgive me. “Plan mgbode” was an obvious given.
Can I be Special Teams coach?

yeah, i think i’ll take it thanks just to clarify a couple points:

emotional development of a seventeen year old is a metaphorical way of saying petulant. no i dont know him but we should be able to agree on a judgement that ‘poise under fire’ is not a strength. i didnt view it as personal disdain. i have plenty of emotionally stunted friends. i wouldnt hire them to coach my football team is all.

there was a lot not to like with mangini, but gameplanning/prep was not one of them. that’s my point there.

>>>He (taggart) would come with credentials as facially weak as – if not weaker than – Shurmur, though.>>>
disagree. taggart is a successful head coach. that means a lot more to me than a long time as an assistant. he played for jack was recruited by john and was an assistant for john harbaugh at stanford. if you like harbaugh football — and why wouldnt you — no one knows it better than taggart. i love that he went from stanford back to wku (his alma mater), shows loyalty. wku itself has been remarkable to watch. started 0-4 last year and won out (excepting at baton rouge where they were tied at halftime). i watch his team’s bench and there is genuine esprit-de-corps. also note the attached which is what halftime adjustment looks like. i’m 100% sure you wont find any records of accomplishment comparable in shurmur’s resume.