Browns NFL Draft Needs: Guard or Defensive Playmaker?
December 20, 2012
WFNY Podcast – 2012-12-21 – TD and Kirk talk Kansas vs. Ohio State and college vs. NBA
December 21, 2012While We’re Waiting serves as the early morning gathering of WFNY-esque information for your viewing pleasure. Have something you think we should see? Send it to our tips email at tips@waitingfornextyear.com.
Good piece on the Cavaliers and social media– “Social media is of the highest importance to us. Sure, we’re proud of having a large audience. But what’s more important to us is providing value to our audience for the follow or like they’ve rewarded us with. How do we provide value? We do everything to make sure that the content we post is highly relevant to the fan. We look to provide them with chances to win experiential opportunities…chances to show off their fandom…and unique ways to stay close to the team and the events at Quicken Loans Arena. In my opinion we have an owner that’s very connected to this city and the fans. Quite simply the fan is first and I’ve never seen him waiver from that. It has everything to do with customer service but sometimes it has to do with rewarding fans for the investment of time, energy and money that they’ve made in the Cavaliers. What do we hope to gain? A fan for life. It is that simple.” [Read/Anchorfan]
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Non-Varejao trade suggestions– “Paul Millsap sits near the top of many free agent lists. But what if Utah wants something in return? In Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter, Utah currently preps twenty and twenty-one year old top-three draft picks as their front-court of the future. It seems unlikely to re-sign Millsap to a deal extending into their next contracts. Rather than plow through another April playoff exit, Utah should trade Millsap.
How about: Paul Millsap (signing an extension) for Walton, Gee, 2013 Lakers / Miami pick, Orlando 2014 2nd rounder, and worse of Miami / Cleveland 2015 selection.
Why it works for Cleveland: Millsap is really good. Plus a four-year contract amounts to his age 28 – 31 seasons, still very near prime performance. Based on PER, he always resides as a top-35 NBA player. RAPM, which loves his defensive contributions, ranks him as one of the NBA’s best-twenty from 2010 – 2011 through this season. An efficient scorer with a solid mid-range jumper, and an excellent rebounder, the Millsap / Varejao duo provides an exceptionally productive and underrated front-court to pair with Kyrie and whatever Tristan, Zeller, and Waiters become. Also, Cleveland still keeps all their picks, plus a future Sacremento first-round and two extra second-round choices.” [Hetrick/Cavs the Blog]
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Good and evil Kyrie. [Buzzfeed Sports]
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Gil Brandt on teams on the rise for 2013– “So much is up in the air when it comes to the Browns, whose new owner (Jimmy Haslam III) will most likely make changes in the front office and on the coaching staff. One thing is certain, though: Cleveland has some very good, young players on defense and offense. With a ton of rookies, including running back Trent Richardson and receiver Josh Gordon, the Browns are the youngest team in the NFL. (Quarterback Brandon Weeden is also a rookie, but he’s 29 years old.) Joe Haden, meanwhile, is one of the best young cornerbacks in the league. Since starting the season at 0-5, the Browns have shown nice promise, winning five of their past nine games.” [Brandt/NFL Network]
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“Colt McCoy, who has yet to throw a pass in 2012 had better statistics in 2011 than Weeden has thus far in 2012. Even though it wasn’t by much, in 2011,McCoy was 265-of-463 for 2,733 yards (57.2 pct.) with 14 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. His rating was 74.6. In 13 games, McCoy was 4-9 as the starter. For his career, he has a 6-15 record and is 400-of-685 (58.4 pct.) for 4,309 yards with 20 touchdowns and 20 interceptions. Overall, his rating is 74.5. He also has rushed 91 times for 346 yards.
Through 14 games, Weeden is 285-of-498 for (57.2 pct.) for 3,281 yards with 14 touchdowns and 17 interceptions for a rating of 72.4.
Another big area of struggle for Weeden is the fact that he throws a lot of interceptions. Drew Brees and rookie Andrew Luck lead the NFL with 18 interceptions each and Weeden is right behind, as he’s tied with Mark Sanchez with 17 interceptions. Brees and Luck have thrown 76 and 66 passes more, respectively, than Weeden has.” [Greetham/The OBR]
22 Comments
the problem with the Millsap scenario is what guarantees he will re-sign here?
one of these years we will get to discuss QBs who are not bottom third in the NFL guys
The more the Cavs wait to use all of this “flexibility”, the more I think they are going to make a run at LeBron in 2014 – which will be an ultimately futile exercise.
I think the trade proposed includes him signing an extension with Utah before the trade.
Isn’t there a restriction on trading someone right after they sign an extension? And, if not, that would either be really cruddy of Utah (if they didn’t tell him) or it would be Millsap agreeing to signing here (because he’s a FA this July, he has the leverage).
Wait a second…
“Colt McCoy, who has yet to throw a pass in 2012 had better statistics in 2011 than Weeden has thus far in 2012.”
McCoy was 265-of-463
Weeden is 285-of-498
McCoy was 2,733 yards (57.2 pct.)
Weeden is 3,281 yards (57.2 pct.)
McCoy was 14 touchdowns and 11 interceptions
Weeden is 14 touchdowns and 17 interceptions
McCoy was 74.6.
Weeden is 72.4.
So this is what counts as BETTER? When you compare them directly this way, as opposed to reading them in separate paragraphs, there is almost no significant difference except for the INTs. Heck, besides the interceptions, I’d say Weeden actually has the better numbers.
it is marginally better. and that’s without Gordon and Schwartz. our run game is only marginally better than ’11, so not much to say there.
however, and here it comes, that is with a bit of stat-padding when down double digit scores late in games. Tenn game is a great example of this one (190yds1TD after trailing 24-6 late in 3rd quarter).
Weeden has the better numbers? Problem is he definitely had the better OL, better running game and better WRs. Factor that in and well I feel a year and a first round draft pick may have been wasted or at least misused.
our “better” running game:
2011 95.7yds/game 3.7YPC
2012 97.4yds/game 3.9YPC
So, yes, it is better. Barely.
The article doesn’t say, however, that Weeden is having almost the same statistical year as Colt with an improved O-Line and slightly better run game. It said Colt had the better year statistically.
I’d be lying if I said that the same though hadn’t crossed my mind. Especially given the recent SI article on Gilbert where it was also mentioned.
Alot to give up for Milsap IMO don’t you agree?
Yea I suppose but I’ve always been one to say I’d have given McCoy another year making the improvements they did around him. I think if McCoy had a season like the one in the article again (and ironically as everyone has been saying similar to Weeden’s) we’d be scratching our heads. The one positive would have been you wouldn’t have had to use a first round pick on another QB instead that selection could have been used to address another position of need. Fast forward and if you scratched your head hard enough as I mentioned earlier you could then look at another QB this coming draft. Of course you also could have used another mid-round pick last year on someone like Foles, Cousins or Wilson.
That’s pretty sad considering the #3 overall pick was a RB and a second round pick on a RT. It’s even worse when you look at who the RBs were a year ago. These are the types of things that Haslam/Banner can point to when they clean house in a few weeks.
schwartz was known as a pass-blocking finesse type RT (why I wanted Glenn), so Heckert knew what he was getting there.
but, yes, still a sad state of affairs overall.
On that I think we can agree. I think Weeden is more talented than McCoy, but I don’t think it was a great use of the 22nd overall.
I didn’t even get into that because the entire premise is folly. I don’t think it’s all that much to give up for him though (if we had him for 4 more seasons, which I don’t see as guaranteed).
Walton – we will all cheer.
Gee – useful piece, but rotational defensive/energy guy.
’13 Lakers/Miami pick – I assume Lakers make the playoffs and this pick is around #23 at best.
’14 Magic 2nd round – 2nd round picks are just trade sweeteners
’15 Heat/Cavs (lower) – Could be a good pick if LeBron/Bosh/Wade bolt and Cavs don’t make the leap by then. But, if not, then it’ll be in the 20s.
It is a ton of assets to give up for a subpar defensive PF with limitations, but I think he’d play well with Andy if we decided to go that route for our frontcourt and give us the opportunity to pickup the best available wing in this year’s draft.
I don’t know seems like a slippery slope if now we have to differentiate between pass blocking and run blocking I just prefer an OL who can do both. But maybe I’m asking or expecting to much these days.
Agree 1000% with “I don’t think it was a great use of the 22nd overall” which is why I was so upset draft night. Well that and the fact that Heckert and Shurmur annointed Weeden as the starter.
I guess when you break it down that way it’s not all that bad the problem I have is seeing Milsap as being “sexy” enough to warrant what I percieve as giving alot. Now if we were talking about Al Jefferson that’d be different.
obviously, always prefer one that can do both, but there is little doubt we have a good pass blocking OL who do not get a good push on runs. there are ways to mask it but our coaches haven’t seemed to do that either.
I would also much prefer Al Jefferson especially paired with Andy.