July 24, 2014

Browns Josh Gordon on Michael Lombardi, “Uh oh.. Am I in trouble??”

Josh Gordon was selected by the Browns with a second round supplemental draft choice by Tom Heckert. Michael Lombardi wasn’t a big fan of that move as a media NFL critic, and now he finds himself in one of the top positions in the Cleveland Browns organization on the football side. Apparently Josh Gordon has taken notice.

Now whether Gordon was kidding or not, remains to be seen. Gordon had a lot of Browns fans nervous too when he was selected. Gordon had a big rookie season, so it’s easy to go back and call Lombardi out on it now, but it’s also hard to kill him for pointing out that risk and saying a second rounder was too high.

Sometimes you’re right and sometimes you’re wrong when it comes to evaluating talent and picking players. Lombardi apparently got that one wrong. And I don’t know about you, but I think he got the Joe Haden one wrong too when he said Haden was too slow. But who knows? Lombardi never had the benefit of the scouting and personnel staff that the Browns retained from Tom Heckert’s tenure.

[Related: NFL News: Cleveland Browns Hire Michael Lombardi as VP – Player Personnel]

  • JK

    We all are, Mr Gordon.

  • Roosevelt

    And before he’s even here, he’s getting into it with the players…

  • maxfnmloans

    oh great, typical Cleveland, woe is me, whining already, geez why is everyone so negative?

    /s

  • mmonast

    he is?

  • mmonast

    “so it’s easy to go back and call Lombardi out on it now”- so browns fans, we were all universally in love with using a 2nd round pick in the supplemental draft on gordon? because that’s the only way it would be fair to ML to call him out on it now. If I recall correctly Lombardi was not the only person who didn’t love that move

  • Chris

    The person that liked the move initially, and the only one that mattered, was Heckert. And a guy who did not like the move is in his place. That is an uh-oh.

  • ChuckKoz

    because lombardi is an idiot with a terrible track record. that’s why, in this instance

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I get your point here, but ultimately we aren’t required to have informed opinions, we’re fans.

  • Harv 21

    perfect

  • Jaker

    Sooooo, Lombardi is 0 for 2? With two of our best players. Before even starting? I am very scared.

    Someone, comfort me

  • Chris_FacePalmer

    Could someone please defend this, because otherwise I think I’m out.

    http://www.theclevelandfan.com/cleveland-browns/1-browns-archive/10640-mike-lombardi-for-the-record

  • mmonast

    agreed, but the opinion of the fans at the time (mostly) was this was a wasted pick. turned out not to be the case but we can’t act like every fan wanted (or heard of) Josh Gordon

  • http://www.facebook.com/jonathan.dennis.522 Jonathan Dennis

    “Sometimes you’re right and sometimes you’re wrong when it comes to evaluating talent and picking players.”

    But has Lombardi EVER been right? In his entire time in CLE I don’t think he ever made a fantastic choice and I don’t think I ever seen him be ahead of the pack as an analyst either.

  • Roosevelt

    That’s a good point and all the people who’ve been defending the Browns lately through their stupid moves (firing Heckert) and publicity blunders (the whole Chip Kelly thing) should remember that while there’s no doubt that the people inside the room know more about football and about the situations, that means nothing unless the decisions they make have better results that those we would have made. For the last ten years, a blind casual Browns fan could have run the organization better than the experts who tried. Furthermore, when decisions are made on the basis of personal relationships, the way the Shurmur and Lombardi (and likely Heckert) decisions were, the fans are in fact on equal footing with the “experts”.

  • Garry_Owen

    No, in fact, he is not.

  • Garry_Owen

    There, there.

  • Garry_Owen

    Why a celebrity would use Twitter for anything other than joking is beyond me. I’m pretty sure he’s joking, unless he has hired all of his Twitter followers to be his agent, ‘cuz that’s a question that you ask your agent, not stupid fans.

  • Roosevelt

    The good thing about WFNY is that theoretically, we could check what the public opinion was like at the time. Except that I can’t figure out how to find it… I do seem to remember being strongly in favor of the move at the time, based on the Jets picking up a similarly unproven WR on the basis of physical talent – except that Stephen Hill was unproven despite being a starter in college.

  • Roosevelt

    Very well stated.

  • Roosevelt

    Where? Where?

  • NeedsFoodBadly

    He also thought Joe Thomas would be a bust.

    The good news is, maybe it’s all part of an Opposite George scheme, where Banner does the reverse of what Lombardi advises. There’s hope!

    (there isn’t)

  • http://www.tripsdad.com Kevin

    Let’s hope the staff that Heckert put in place stays in place, and learned a thing or two from him, and that Lombardi listens to them. They have obviously done a better job than he would have.

  • Roosevelt

    He obviously cannot be blamed for the Raiders picks.

  • BomberDawg

    Name when he has gotten it right. I literally just called the Browns home office to complain. Really. 440-891-5000. Go for it….at least they know how super excited we are. This just took all the wind out of my sails.

  • Chris_FacePalmer

    I don’t know if that’s entirely true, but even taking those picks out of the equation, his record is absolutely horrible.

  • nj0

    And I thought Holmgren was completely out of touch with the fan base.

  • mgbode

    why should we worry? this is a guy who said the following:

    “I was a Blaine Gabbert fan before the draft and feel he will give the Jaguars a bright future. ”
    and
    “Kaepernick’s lack of accuracy makes Locker look precise with the ball –
    now that is a scary thought. Kaepernick will take some time to develop.
    Even when that happens, I am not sure he is a starter.”

    But hey, all he has to do is figure out if we have a QB for the future and, if not, go find one. That should make us confident, right?

  • Roosevelt

    It’s typical Cleveland to whine at terrible decisions, like firing the sole competent executive the team has had in its earthly history to hire someone with possibly the worst track record of anyone somehow associated with the NFL. But look at the Norv Turner thread – no one is whining there. Hmmm, I wonder why that is?

  • NeedsFoodBadly

    Ha ha! Thank you for that! I feel awful!

  • JK

    Here Here!

  • mgbode

    there were several WFNY posts on it, but here is the one with by far the most comments:

    http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2012/07/browns-select-josh-gordon-with-second-rounder-in-supplemental-draft/

  • Steve

    You were absolutely. There is no point getting upset about this team. It just is what it is.

  • maxfnmloans

    so do you not know what the “/s” means? that’s a “sarcasm” tag.

  • Jaker

    Gulp gulp (the only comfort)

  • gren

    When everyone who covers the NFL has Jamarcus Russell as the consencious #1 overall pick and he turns out to be a bust, that’s on the player, not the GM.

  • mgbode

    there were huge mixed reviews on Russell though. in fact, the Browns boards were pretty split of the opinion on JoeT and Peterson. But, there was a good consensus that noone wanted Russell (remember the Savage “found him” rumors and the scare that we might trade up for him?)

  • JK

    Wow, I never thought I’d see a day where a comment I made reaches 50 up votes… Where do I start? Well, I gotta start by thanking the big guy up top for making me funny as hell, My terrific beard for storage and reproducing purposes.. Geez what else? Oh I definitely gotta thank my boyz @harv21:disqus, @Garry_Owen:disqus, @mgbode:disqus, @MrCleveland, & @Vindictive_Pat:disqus. Ohhh shoot I hope I’m not missing anybody. Of course the whole WFNY team, without you none this would be possible.. & I just gotta say hold on to your dreams! There was a time in my life where I never thought I’d get above 23+ but look at me now, YOU. CAN. DO IT!

  • Gulpher

    I had high hopes for the new Browns regime, but what I perceive to be bad move after bad move after bad move, the latest being the hiring of Mike Lombardi, leaves me with very little hope of a bright future. The next move ought to be Banner out the door.

  • http://www.facebook.com/philip.said1 Philip Said

    Pathetic selection. Lombardi has no clue. How has this guy stayed in a job? He could not compete with most of the people writing comments on this page. He never ahs had an eye for talent. I am also concerned that Banner has no clue. I hope Haslam gets in touch with the Cleveland fan base. We need consitency and not a complete train wreck in the front office. Coachig staff looks somewhat promising (although I’d like to stay with a 4-3 defense). Maybe Lombardi is hired to bring the coffee and donuts to the staff meetings.

  • Garry_Owen

    It’s an honor just to bask in your reflected glory.

  • mgbode

    you store your reproductive purposes in your beard?

  • http://www.facebook.com/jim.gilbert.589 Jim Gilbert

    I think he’s the perfect hire. Whatever he says, we do the opposite and all will be right in the Browns world.

  • saggy

    what is wrong with this? he got Sebastian Janikowksi at a steal of a price!

  • Garry_Owen

    In Ancient Rome, a returning victorious general was often greeted by a parade through the city. Amidst the adulation, he would have a slave riding on his chariot, whispering in his ear, “All glory is fleeting,” in order to remind him to stay humble (and, well, to keep him from overthrowing the Senate – the practice of victory parades strangely ended after Julius Caesar; in fact, after him, conquering heroes were no longer allowed to even enter the city gates – ah, but you didn’t ask for that bonus content).

    For this reason, I gave you one down vote.