April 18, 2014

When it Comes to NBA Trades It’s Not What You Ask For That Matters, It’s What You Get

Chris Grant“It was much pleasanter at home, when one wasn’t always growing larger and smaller, and being ordered about by mice and rabbits. I almost wish I hadn’t gone down the rabbit-hole – and yet – and yet – it’s rather curious, you know, this sort of life!”
– Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

Following NBA trade rumors often feels like a journey down Alice’s infamous rabbit-hole. We talk about this every season, but rumors are ubiquitous to NBA life. Agents and GMs leak information to trusted sources, often with an agenda in mind. What this means to the casual NBA fan sitting at home is that they are usually reading half truths that border on propaganda. Well intentioned beat writers and national scribes are frequently used as a medium to send a message to the other party in negotiations as well as to try to control the message that is being sent to the fans.

This isn’t to say NBA writers do a bad job or are somehow unaware of the game that’s being played. Far from it. It’s a give and take relationship in which a lot of good, solid, quality information is given to reporters to build rapport and trust. It’s just that every now and then a slight half truth might get slipped in there and nobody knows the difference.

It’s a curious sort of life, indeed. But it’s one that I can’t get enough of. I love NBA rumors, even when they make me mad, seem like nonsense, and/or seem too good to be true. But sometimes I find others’ reactions to rumors to be, well, curious.

About a week ago we posted a link to Peter Vescey’s tweet saying the Cavaliers asked for DeAndre Jordan and Eric Bledsoe in exchange for Anderson Varejao. Now, Vescey tweeted this on January 9th, and we posted a link to his tweet giving him full credit for the rumor on the 10th.

On January 12th, in an article about Anderson Varejao’s trade value now that he’s injured, Jodie Valade of the Plain Dealer mentioned the rumor of the Cavaliers asking for Jordan and Bledsoe. Strangely, the rumor goes unattributed to anyone whatsoever:

To be fair, the Cavaliers were not believed to be actively seeking a trade. Varejao’s 14.4 rebounds per game led the league before his injury. They would demand much in return, as evidenced in the most recent trade rumor — that Cleveland was demanding Clippers guard Eric Bledsoe to be thrown into a proposed DeAndre Jordan for Varejao swap.

Typically such wording would be attributed to the ever famous and anonymous “league sources” at the very least. But it’s not a big deal. That rumor wasn’t even the point of the article. It just seems strange to see a major publication run a rumor with no attribution to any source at all.

As we journey further down the rabbit-hole, though, things pick up steam. On January 14th Matt Moore from CBS Sports’ Eye On Basketball site linked to the Plain Dealer’s article, only with the headline now being that the Cavaliers wanted Bledsoe and Jordan for Varejao.

Later on that day, Kurt Helin from NBC Sports’ ProBasketballTalk also linked to the Plain Dealer article via Matt Moore’s link. Once again, the headline focused on what the Cavaliers are asking for in return for Anderson Varejao. Helin takes exception to the Cavaliers’ asking price, writing:

Are you nuts? Why not ask for Blake Griffin while you’re at it. And one of Donald Sterling’s homes.

(By the way, there is going to be a lot of Bledsoe buzz but Clippers are not going to trade him until this summer at the earliest because they want him as insurance in case they can’t re-sign Chris Paul.)

Two questions come to mind about Varejao. First, will the Cavaliers come to their senses on what they are willing to take back? My answer is “Dan Gilbert owns the team, who knows?”

The other is how much is the market for Varejao going to change with him injured? Varejao is out until late February or early March, some teams will still have interest because he’s the kind of hustling front line player who can make a difference in the playoffs. But their offers are not going up because of this. And the old offers weren’t cutting it.

In part because apparently the Cavaliers were already asking for the moon. And more.

Gratuitous and unneeded Dan Gilbert slam aside1, I found Helin’s reaction interesting. For two reasons.

First, I don’t see that return as something blowing me away as a Cavs fan. Eric Bledsoe is actually pretty superfluous for the Cavaliers. A nice bonus as a phenomenal backup PG, but not a player who would be on the court in end game scenarios. And DeAndre Jordan is certainly a really solid player and would help the Cavaliers’ frontcourt defense a bit, but really he’s kind of a duplication of Tristan Thompson’s skill set. Jordan is bigger, more athletic, and more exciting with his dunks, but his offensive skill set is limited overall. He’s shown much improvement on defense this year, and he’s a decent enough rebounder. But at the end of the day, in his 5th season now, Jordan is averaging 13.6 points and 10.3 rebounds per 36 minutes. Thompson is at 11.6 points and 10.6 rebounds per 36 minutes. Now, I realize Jordan is a center and Thompson is a PF. But Varejao is putting up 14.1 points and 14.4 rebounds per 36, so my point is the Cavaliers are giving up a lot, and DeAndre Jordan would be a better duplication of Tristan Thompson at the center position, meaning Thompson and Jordan would be playing at the same time. It’s a weird mix, in my opinion.

Second, I found Helin’s reaction interesting because all the rumor says is that this is what the Cavaliers asked for. It doesn’t mean it’s what they expected to get. In negotiations, you typically ask for more than you expect so you have room to negotiate down. There’s nothing unreasonable about what the Cavaliers asked for because the only thing that matters is what you actually get in return.

Look, I like Kurt Helin and Matt Moore. I read them both every day. I just think it’s strange to have such strong reactions to unattributed rumors (that we know actually started with notorious rumormonger Peter Vescey). If the Cavaliers are really going to trade Varejao, something I am still mostly opposed to anyway, I hope they do ask for the moon. It better be worth it in the end.

At the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that there’s no way of knowing how truthful this rumor even is, so blasting Dan Gilbert (who’s not even the GM making these trade requests) and the Cavaliers for a high asking price is probably a bit much. I want the Cavaliers to throw out some strong asking prices for Varejao and see what sticks. There’s no pressure whatsoever on the Cavaliers to make a deal. The pressure is on the buyer. If the Cavaliers don’t trade Andy and he spends the rest of his career as a Cavalier, then so be it. There have been worse fates than that for the Cavaliers.

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Footnotes:

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  • nullster

    Also let’s not forget this is the team that traded an unprotected lottery pick for Mo Williams. I’d start by asking for the moon in return as well.

  • mgbode

    i’d be upset if we gave up Andy for DeAndre and Bledsoe anyway. You already mentioned Bledsoe not being on the floor in crunchtime, but DeAndre is a huge liability on the floor during crunchtime as the NBA’s worst FT shooter. as mentioned on the rumor thread, he is also a liability on defense as he is too quick to “help” going for his backside blocks and leaving his man.

    i’ll take my chances with Andy playing a healthy season over DeAndre Jordan.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    People need to take the Varejao colored glasses off already but I’m sure he’ll be here until he can’t play anymore.

  • mgbode

    DeAndre is a liability on the floor on both ends and in crunchtime. Why should we clog our cap with him (irrespective of Andy)?

  • http://www.waitingfornextyear.com Andrew Schnitkey

    Yeah, I agree. Even though I don’t want the Cavs to trade Andy, if they do decide to pull the trigger, I hope it’s for something a little better than DeAndre Jordan.

  • porckchop

    Those glasses cast the world in a gorgeous caramel hue, its as if they were designed by Willy Wonka himself. Not to mention they complement perfectly with my pair of Gohill boots, no chance I take either one off.

  • porckchop

    I have the same mistrust of Grant that I do Banner. Men who deal poorly with their hair loss are a strong indication of men who don’t allow for people in their lives that have the confidence to tell them the truth, which means they are generally surrounded by yes men. Whether it be a comb-forward, or wig, the rest of the world is painfully aware of what you are trying to do, and on some level mocks you for it. You simply can’t have the respect of a room if everyone know the thing you are most insecure about, and you can’t trust the advice you get from people who can’t speak freely to tell you what you most need to know.
    Notice Ferry’s gains in prominence from albatross player to well-respected GM. His hair’s recedence and final banishment dove tails perfectly with his success.
    My daughter is in the throws of teething and we slept for a total of a few minutes sitting up, hence I’m stuck in a semi lucid haze. Not that I make much more sense when I’m well rested.

  • LaundroMat

    Jamario?

  • TOJ

    If you’re surprised in any way by Helin’s reaction, then you don’t read that site very often. He’s like your typical, contrived ESPN blowhard, except without the “credibility” of the ESPN brand.

  • bodhibodhi

    There is no way the Clippers ever trade DeAndre. He’s Blake’s best friend. I live in LA and all everyone could talk about when DeAndre signed his deal was that Sterling gave him $50 mil just to keep Blake happy.

  • mgbode

    good to know. and they can have him :)

    he is fun to watch. especially on that team.

  • ThatAlex

    It wasn’t really like that. The reason why the pick was unprotected was because the Cavs were absorbing Baron Davis’ insane contract.

  • mgbode

    which we are still paying (he was amnestied, but we still pay the $$$)