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February 15, 2013You never want to be a guy drafted by the previous regime when your future is in doubt. Brandon Weeden had a pretty typical up and down rookie year for a relatively bad team last season. He also played for a pretty questionable (at best) coaching staff and was surrounded by fellow rookies in key skill positions. Still, it seems that the new Cleveland Browns brass might have already seen enough. There are apparently some league rumblings that Weeden could be traded this off-season.
The tidbit from the National Football Post indicates that Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi “don’t think much” of Brandon Weeden. While, they haven’t said much about Weeden recently, we certainly know that Lombardi wasn’t a fan of the selection at the time Tom Heckert1 made the selection. So that’s not at all unreasonable to assume that they “don’t think much” of him.
The Post also says that they could trade him “when they can get something for him.” Not if, mind you, but when. This indicates that either the sources of the rumor, or the writer himself still thinks that Weeden, coming off a very rookie-like season, might still be able to give them something back of value. Then again, “something” isn’t exactly indicative of anything substantial.
One thing’s for sure. Quarterbacks are always in demand in the NFL and someone will always give more than they are worth in trade. Still, it is highly doubtful that the Browns can get anything close to an approximation of the value of the 22nd pick they used a year ago to draft him.
[Related:Â NFL Draft: Browns should avoid selecting a quarterback early per Mel Kiper]
- I still always assume Mike Holmgren made the Weeden pick. Sue me. [↩]
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reminds me of an old quote, I forget who said it first (Bert Blyleven?), “In reality, we’re all day to day”
I mean Brandon Weeden might be traded? Really? Quick, what color is grass? Thanks NFP, for your insight. So long as you’re covering news from a month ago, can they give us more on the list of potential Browns GM candidates? I’m curious to see how that all shakes out.
That was legendary play by play man Vin Scully reading an injury report: “Dave Winfield is day to day … well, aren’t we all.”
thanks for the info. A cursory search of the Googlez apocryphally attributed it to Bert Blyleven, but I’d certainly be more inclined to beliveve it was Vin Scully.
thanks for the info. A cursory search of the Googlez apocryphally attributed it to Bert Blyleven, but I’d certainly be more inclined to beliveve it was Vin Scully.
Weeden could be traded.
McCoy is not in their future plans.
Browns are not looking to draft a QB
Going by the reports, I’d say its looking like Thad Lewis will be the opening day starter đ
Also among trade “possibilities”: Colt, Mitchell Schwartzs and Josh Gordon.
Here is the entire “rumor,” unattributed to any source, not even vague ones placing the source location like his other blurbs (“those close to Gregg Williams”; “word out of Atlanta”):
*Is trading Brandon Weeden a possibility for the Browns? Some around the league think so. The belief is that the new management team of Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi donât think much of Weeden, and they could try to deal him when they can get something for him.”
Passive voice creates smoke, and where there’s smoke … Of course it could happen, but “some around the league” ain’t no scoop. Is Grossi “around the league”? Spitballing is fun, but about as reliable as Stephen A. Smith declaration that LeBron is Knicks-bound.
I don’t dislike Weeden, but it was a bad pick.
That said, SOMEONE has to play QB. There is no one in this draft (so far as I am aware as of February 15, 2013) that is any better than Weeden right now.
I suppose the Browns can overpay Alex Smith….ugh
I saw it years ago in a tribute to Scully’s greatest on-air moments, and I never forget it because of its typical Scully effortless depth perception. Blyleven is entertaining and don’t doubt he said it, but guessing it was borrowed.
I was really VERY careful writing this up Harv. Then, the other question that I think I asked and answered in writing it up is, “Does this make sense?”
That’s where your Mitchell Schwartz and Josh Gordon stuff falls apart. Colt McCoy could have this written about him, except that he has even less value than Weeden at this point.
I’m rumored to be interested in acquiring a grilled cheese sandwich.
for sure. Scully is an institution.
philip rivers is a rumored possibility to follow norv turner to cleveland.
my sourced-from-internet rumor beats NFP’s sourced from nowhere rumor because it includes pictures and analysis.
yes, I agree. if it’s being thrown out there, it’s not bad to have here. I don’t think it’s even likely at this point (who would start?), but it’s a possibility worth discussing.
who would want Weeden and what could we expect to get for him? those are the important questions. I guess JAX or AZ might want him. I don’t see KC interested (with Foles, Flynn, and Alex Smith all fitting the WCO better).
i would be surprised to get more than a 3rd round pick though and I just don’t see that being worth trading him at this point without any idea of who would then start for us.
and I’m still mad you didn’t give me proper credit for that rumor. i had you scooped by days đ
youre MY league source.
then all is forgiven. MKC, eat your heart out đ
Obviously, this completely vague stuff masked as reliable with passive wording is my pet peeve. I was not attacking you, or even the headline as I did with Scott on his last one, but the rumor monger. Gotta vent, man. And maybe I’m kidding myself but do think watchful eyes assists the quality control when you choose to link to this stuff on your fine site.
Be careful now that Andy Reid is in Kansas City, they might overpay for a grilled cheese sandwich….
I have 2 names for you…..Tommy ” touchdown ” Vardell and JaMarcus Russell….Both tremendous 1st rd picks by the ” brilliant football mind ” of Mike Lombardi…..Truthfully, that guy not liking you is actually a good thing……God, Is it just me or is anyone else just get disgusted when Lombardi’s name is mentoned at all……
My league sources (family that lives in & around Morgantown, WV) are saying that Geno Smith being drafted by Cleveland is all the rage down there. Then I got to thinking, they drink a lot of moonshine…..
News flash: most of the Browns roster ” Could be traded.” This is not a story as it is obvious conjecture. That said : he has marginal value at this point, especially with the draft just a few months away. We’d be lucky to garner a fourth round pick for him. Keep Weeden and have him backup Alex Smith. You need two solid QB’s in this league anyway.
With the MLB Extra Innings, I decided to pick up a National League “girlfriend” to watch when the Indians aren’t on TV (or after the Indians games). I picked the Dodgers because of Vin Scully, and solely because of Scully.
I’ll give you TD Tommy, but I don’t hold any of the Raiders picks over Lombardi’s head (not that you need them to bash his record). Every bad thing that happened in the City of Oakland before October 8th, 2011 should be blamed on Al Davis.
I think we would get something close to a 6th, and then what is the point?
They did the same thing with Romeo.
“SOMEONE has to play QB”
The last decade+ in Cleveland tells a different story.
I don’t know that McCoy has less value than Weeden. Bleacher report ranks McCoy (28) higher than Weeden (45).
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1052479-br-nfl-1000-top-50-quarterbacks#/articles/1436951-br-nfl-1000-top-65-quarterbacks/page/39
Fake Solomon Wilcotts shakes his fist at you both!
Another year, another addition to our QB graveyard, followed by the inevitable dive into the QB dumpster by quite possibly the worst talent evaluator in the NFL. I’m beyond tired of this. If they make a ‘major league’ type movie about a football team they will have no need for a change of venue.
Stepping away from the ledge now.
How about those Indians?
Bleacher report? Really? Please don’t reference that site with a straight face!
You whore!
i had picked the Dodgers in the 1980’s after we traded Corey Snyder there as the NL team to watch. my wife is from SoCal, so it picked up again the past 11 years.
now though? no way i’m rooting for them.
we had a lot of someones. they just turned out to be nobody’s.
KC BBQ is the best.
written Feb. of 2012. I think a bit has changed in the past year.
Pat for the W.I.N.
Someone else takes over his guaranteed contract and is stuck with trying to figure out how to use him and get him to learn a play book.
written Feb. of 2013 and the analysis seems pretty on target for all 65 Qbs they rank. Don’t forget that Weeden ranked at the bottom of the league this year and according to ESPN, he only completed 21% of his passes over 20 yards. There’s no way you can stretch the field with that.
If we trade Weeden, who will back up DA?
It had a timestamp of Feb.19 2012 for me. Strange, I’ll try again. I noticed because it had things like McNabb ranked and Colin Kaepernick #43.
By Matt Miller (NFL Draft Lead Writer) on February 19, 2012
I checked the link again and from a different browser to be sure. It is February 19, 2012 (and again, the QB views are consistent with what someone would have thought a year ago, not now).
ok, dug around and found the 2013 rankings.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1520592-stock-up-stock-down-for-every-nfl-quarterback/page/6
seems to be basing Weeden purely on age and the rumors that he will not be a starter.
mentions that Colt’s lack of arm strength has hamstrung what he can do in the NFL (not a fit for a Norv offense then).
this is someone just evaluating the list, so I’ll dig up the actual list too
here’s his list:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1436951-br-nfl-1000-top-65-quarterbacks/page/22
absolutely agree with his overall assessment if not his ranking (1 spot ahead of dead-armed Byron Leftwhich and several spots behind Jason Campbell & Charlie Batch):
Weeden, at 29 years old, has room to grow as an NFL starter. There were times in 2012 when he threw the ball beautifully and showed remarkable upside, but there were more times when bad reads and missed throws plagued the rookie. Weeden has upside, but his clock is ticking.
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Here’s his Colt assessment and I again agree with the words but not with the ranking (has him ahead of Carson Palmer, Josh Freeman)
A limited quarterback who hasnât been given much of a shot, McCoy brings good tools to the table as a short-to-intermediate passer with high accuracy and low risks. Some NFL coaches will love that, while others want a bigger arm at the position. A worst-case scenario: McCoy is a solid No. 2 passer.
The one I saw had Kaepernick higher than 20 and no mention of McNabb, only current starters or backups — have Lewis a little further back than Weeden.
yes, just not at the link provided above that comment. i found it and described above.
I was comparing the two and I tried to post the 2013 rankings, but somehow did the same thing it did to you