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While We’re Waiting… What a night in Cleveland

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If you haven’t seen the Charles Ramsey interview, well you’re just doing it wrong. [Youtube]

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“The economy and game-day experience are factors as well. Sure, a seat at Progressive Field is one of the cheapest in the game, but with three minor league teams within a 30-mile radius, with more competitive prices, fans have other options. Also, with the improved clarity of HD TV, fans can get a solid game-day experience on television or on their smartphones.

Getting fans back to the ballpark won’t be an overnight fix. If the team remains hot going into the all-star break, let’s check back. If the Indians head into August in first place, a change in attendance will be evident.” [Mazur/The Fan]

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“The Browns are ranked relatively low here, but they’re a quarterback away from being a playoff team. And it certainly isn’t out of the question that QB gurus Rob Chudzinski and Norv Turner mold big-armed Weeden into a viable short-term fix for their vertical passing attack. The offensive line is a mauling young group that graded out positively in the 2012 ratings of both Pro Football Focus and Football Outsiders. The only front-five starter that may not return is left guard Jason Pinkston, who claims he’s medically cleared from last year’s blood clot scare and is potently backed up by Greco anyhow. Richardson’s 3.56 YPC average is a lock to rise as he moves past last year’s double knee surgeries and multiple rib fractures. Long-ball wide receiver Gordon is an ideal fit for what Chud and Norv want to do in the passing game. Little, Bess, and sneaky breakout candidate Cameron complement Gordon as chain movers.” [Silva/Rotoworld]

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Umpire John Hirschbeck needs to get over himself. “Harper check-swung on a 2-2 slider from Pirates starter Wandy Rodriguez, which just barely escaped the edge of the strike zone. Home plate umpire Bob Davidson appealed to third base umpire Hirschbeck, who ruled that Harper had swung at the offering. Harper, exasperated, expressed his disagreement with the call some 100 feet away. Hirschbeck immediately threw up his hands and yelled at Harper, like a drunk guy looking for trouble in a bar. He walked towards home plate, continuing to gesticulate and shout as Harper quietly talked to Davidson from the batter’s box. Third base coach Trent Jewett intercepted Hirschbeck as he stomped towards Harper, but it was no matter as Hirschbeck ejected Harper from the game shortly thereafter.” [Baer/Hardball Talk]

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Where are they now? Steve Karsay is helping the Indians in the minors- “Karsay enjoyed the best years of his career as a member of the Indians. From 1998-2001 he was a rock at the backend of the bullpen, appearing in 164 games and compiling a 15-14 record with 22 saves and a 3.23 ERA. He was later traded to Atlanta in a deal that brought reliever John Rocker to the Indians. But Cleveland was the place he had the most success, and he has returned to help the young pitchers in the system develop. Karsay’s first stop was with the rookie level Arizona Summer League team in Goodyear, Arizona. The environment of coaching in a low-pressure environment helped.” [Lastoria/FSO]

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  • maxfnmloans

    “I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man’s arms”

    That is spectacular. Charles Ramsey should run for Mayor. What an incredible story.

  • Natedawg86

    I saw that Harper SO on TV. Let him be a little baby. There are a ton of guys that do it. The reason that it elevated is that the umpire started to get aggressive. Strike 3, end of inning, he gets mad, you let him be, he goes to get his glove and hat and the game goes on. Unless he is a real pain or starts yelling excessively and won’t stop, I say let it go.

  • Natedawg86

    Interesting that rotoworld has WR3 Bess and no mention of Nelson. Little has to step up or he may find himself as a situational WR.

  • Natedawg86

    That site has Smith listed as NYJ QB. When I tell people I am a Browns fan, I sometimes follow it up with, “I’m glad I’m not a Jets fan!”

  • Garry_Owen

    10 years being held hostage and who knows what else. 10 years.

    Makes 50 years of no sports championships feel like ten minutes.

    I cannot believe that nobody had a clue. Somebody knew.

  • maxfnmloans

    Starting to sound like maybe his brothers were helping him with keeping things secret. Of course, that’s being reported on the news and internet, so it may or may not be true.

    /weeps for journalism

  • Harv 21

    three unrelated girls/ladies and a baby born (in the house?) in a congested urban area with tiny lots, not a 10 acre farm somewhere with little traffic. I’ll be curious to hear the details of how this went on for a decade. And somewhere deep in my heart hope someone goes medieval on the perps.

  • Garry_Owen

    Exactly. Mere feet away from where tons of people live. FEET.

    (And that hope you express is not that deep in my heart. Pretty surface. On my sleeve. Sometimes the amount of evil in the world makes you shudder. With rage.)

  • Harv 21

    good analysis on the attendance problem. I’d add you have to also consider how many have moved out of Cuyahoga County in the last 20 years, making the commute/cost more of a commitment for those not convinced, with good reason, that any success is temporary smoke and mirrors. Other than the ’07 blip, there hasn’t been any “feel-good” about the Tribe as star after star gets traded or signs elsewhere.

    The attendance dwindled slowly and will only be built back up slowly. It’s going to take a while for the Dolans to build credibility again. The attendance of the 90s was sustained by so many buying season tickets. They’ll never get those sellouts again, but they can convince the hard core by sustaining something that feels competitive.

  • mgbode

    Considering it’s Harper, I do wonder if there is a history between the two. However, it is my opinion that umpires need to do their best to be above any petty nonsense and make the calls blankly by what happens at that time.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Oh Garry c’mon you are better then this, I think!

  • Garry_Owen

    Better than what, exactly?

  • Vindictive_Pat

    My good buddy is the founder of TheJetsBlog.com and I always tell him how badly I feel for him after the Jets finish drafting. No fan of the Browns should ever be allowed to say that.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Also, the Heat lost last night, which is fantastic. No Fo’ Fo’ Fo’ for you, Heat! Bad Heat!

  • mgbode

    I “successfully” avoided the NBA last night. LL game, followed by watching the 6th-9th innings of the Tribe game with the boys at dinner, then went home and watched the BoSox v. Twins thriller while filling up water balloons for today’s LL practice.

    And, I wake up this morning to find out that I missed a Heat 4th quarter collapse and a thrilling Spurs/Warriors game. Stupid me.

  • Garry_Owen

    It’s never stupid to spend time with and for your boys. They’ll remember that forever, and you’ll forget the NBA playoffs next week.

    But you know that. I just wanted to get it on the record.

  • Steve

    It’s decent enough, but it treats the Indians poor attendance as if it’s typical bad attendance around the league. It’s not. They’re 4,000 a night behind #29. That’s another 25% on top of what they’re getting now.The team is behind everyone else in the league, teams that have been losing for 20+ years, or seemingly hate their fans. This isn’t just typical low attendance.

    And in regards to people not showing up because they traded Sabathia and Lee? Laughable. People weren’t showing up to watch Sabathia and Lee pitch when they were here. It’s a hilariously lame excuse.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I wouldn’t worry too much, nobody could have predicted the Heat would do anything but beat the tar out of the excessively-injured Bulls. Actually I didn’t see the game either, I was watching the Caps/Rangers game with my wife instead. Caps lost, but still have the 2-1 series lead and home ice advantage. They have been playing fantastic for the past month or so, and I can’t help but be optimistic.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I just started following this story today… if it’s not sports news I often miss even huge stories like this. Incredible… I just have so many questions, most of which you wrapped up quite nicely, and you also captured the intense rage I feel if this all really did go down the way it’s laid out. Death would be too good for those brothers.

  • Harv 21

    you’re overstating with the “hilariously lame” stuff. The tribe has been below league average since they started dumping stars in ’03, and the most precipitous drops since then was from average of 27K/season in ’08 to 22K/season in ’09 (after CC trade), and 22K/season in ’09 to 17K/season in ’10 (post Lee and Martinez dumps). It’s obviously not the only reason but you can’t say it didn’t contribute. I heard it all the time from people and felt that way myself.

    They lost tons of season tix holders at those times, sales that goosed the stated attendance even when the holders didn’t show up.

  • mgbode

    No, no, not that at all. I just didn’t look at scores, I didn’t DVR the games. My boys always come first and watching the Tribe after their LL games is a big part of that bonding.

  • mgbode

    but Texas didn’t play last night and all the teams were caps, so I’m not sure who you mean.

    (just kidding, but I seriously lack in NHL knowledge these days)

  • Steve

    They went from 21st in attendance for a 96 win team to 25th in 09? Whoop dee doo. People in this town act like getting 27k a night is supposed to be impressive, when it is has been below average for a generation now.

    They lost season ticket holders because this is a fair weather baseball town. There is no shame in admitting it. But blaming a team for trading their stars when those stars could only bring the 21st best attendance is patently dumb. Maybe that sounds rude, but its the truth. The fans can come up with any excuse they want but the fact of the matter is they only show up when the rest of the division waves the white flag by the time Spring Training wraps up.

    There’s only two possibilities here. Either those stars weren’t good enough to generate big crowds, and the team was in the right not to spend big on players who wouldn’t bring the returns or those stars were good enough to generate big crowds but Cleveland fans were too busy being whining and moaning to notice.

  • Harv 21

    Hadn’t seen this reply to me yesterday, Steve, but I won’t engage on this level. If you wish to have a decent commenter interaction, best not to accuse others of being “patently dumb” or “hilariously lame.” If your goal is to make a clever putdown, fine, but it will serve as a conversation-ender for me. I’m happy to engage, but only with those who are both open to others’ ideas and who taste their words before they type them.

  • Steve

    Oh boo hoo. Fine, I’ll clear up that your lame arguments aren’t actually lame, and you aren’t dumb. If you had a leg to stand on, you would do so.