April 23, 2014

NBA Rumors: Cavs and Mavericks working on draft-pick trade

The Cleveland Cavaliers and Dallas Mavericks are reportedly in talks surrounding a deal that would allow the Cavs to move up from No. 19 to No. 13.

The Cavaliers, currently owners of the Nos. 1, 19, 31 and 33 selections, are reportedly eying up Sergey Karasev, the sharp-shooting small forward from Russia who recently received a promise from an unnamed NBA team and returned to his hometown in anticipation of the draft. Who the Cavaliers would send, if anyone, in addition to draft selections is unknown at this time.

This potential trade was discussed shortly after the NBA lottery unfolded and discussions of options began. It had widely been considered very unlikely that the Cavs would come away with four new players on the June 27 draft and the Mavericks had long been looking to move out from their spot to acquire additional assets.

If this trade occurs, it would mark consecutive seasons where the Cavaliers front office compiled multiple picks in order to move up to a spot owned by the Dallas Mavericks. In 2012, the Cavaliers packaged Jae Crowder, Jared Cunningham and Bernard James for the rights to center Tyler Zeller and forward Kelenna Azubuike. Also worth noting is that if the Cavaliers plan to use the 13th-overall pick on Karasev, that rumors surrounding the selection of a center with the No. 1 pick become that much stronger.

[Related: NBA Draft: On Dion Waiters, Ben McLemore and starting]

  • mgbode

    depends on how you view the Clip-deal. They are reportedly willing to give up a young player (DeAndre) and 2 1st round picks + take on some salary (possibly Terry) in order to compete now w/ Garnett & Rivers.

    I think there’d be a team out there willing to give up a youngster + 1st rounder for Dirk. Especially a team that just missed out on Dwight/Paul (as Dallas wouldn’t think of making that trade until they also missed out on them).

    On the tanking, that is straight conjecture. I think the more risky, aggressive gamble here is dumping Dirk, getting young assets and gambling you can get a franchise changer in 2014.

    and, Wiggins isn’t the only superb prospect in that draft. I think Marcus Smart would have gone #1 overall in this draft. Jabari Parker and Julius Randle are both considered bigger prospects than the 1-n-doners of recent years.

    and, I’m always in the mood for a good, healthy debate :)

  • mgbode

    I wouldn’t trust Marion to hit 3pters

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Neither do I, but am I about to harsh my own buzz? Heck no!

  • mgbode

    I would love to miss the playoffs by 1 game and win a top3 lottery pick.

  • mgbode

    and hey, he once hit over 39% of his 3pters for a season!

    and hit 38.7% the very next season!

    (just ignore the fact that was over 10yrs ago)

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Hey the last time he took over 3 per game, he shot 35%. That’s… you know… something?

  • mgbode

    I’ll take league average from Marion in any shooting category!

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Shot over 50% from the floor in 3 of the past 4 seasons… not too shabby! His game would be great for Alonzo Gee to model.

  • mgbode

    I am imagining the following 5man unit:
    Waiters, Gee, Marion, Thompson, Noel

    Mike Brown would LOVE that unit (and it would be painful to watch on the offensive end).

  • Vindictive_Pat

    I just threw up in my mouth… you happy?

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Almost as good as the legend of Boobies!

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    And it was nearly dinner time here too thanks alot!

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    U2?

  • woofersus

    I sort of doubt any player we draft this year will be an instant starter and heavy contributor a la Kyrie Irving. There aren’t that many guys like that in this draft. (Oladipo maybe, but I’m not convinced he’s the best fit for the Cavs, and Burke certainly isn’t on the radar for us)

    That said, I do agree Noel will take longer than most, and I’m not overly in favor of drafting him.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Yes, but only pre-Zooropa… that was the start of a disappointing slide.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Always thinking aren’t you? If that happened I think the rest of the NBA would demand an investigation. I say we freeze Nick Gilbert in carbonite and take him to every game!

  • woofersus

    So did the Cavs promise him, or are they trying to leapfrog the team who did? This is a very unpredictable draft, and at 13 we could end up with somebody falling into our laps by surprise. If you promise a player and then reneg, though, the agents won’t trust you next time.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I’d rather have Bledsoe then Jordan especially if Al Jefferson is still around.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    In Bono I trust!

  • mgbode

    *cough*Derrick Rose*cough*
    *cough*Chris Webber*cough*

    always fun to note that Orlando technically picked Webber, not Penny in that draft.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    What’s the Rose part I get the Webber part?

  • Vindictive_Pat

    Cheers!

  • mgbode

    Chicago won the lottery as the 9th seed in the East to select Rose.

  • mgbode

    you guys have soft stomachs. I thought the mere thought of Mike Brown giddily bouncing on the sidelines and constantly needing to adjust his stylish rims would be enough to overcome any gastrointestinal issues.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    Oh…I thought it had something to do with back to back years picking first overall. I like to think I wouldn’t forget something like that but ya never know.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I just hope he gave up the habit of always spitting in a cup!

  • mgbode

    they did pick 2nd just 2 years earlier (and decided it was best to trade Aldridge for Ty Thomas — whoops).

  • mgbode

    well, spitting on the floor is just plain gross

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    There goes desert now too!

  • wildrover4

    Porter would start. McLemore would be in three guard rotation.

  • typo

    With all due respect to all the commentors, all this speculation is likely for naught. For some reason, the media has a very hard time grasping what the Cavs front office will do. Nobody had the cavs taking TT or Waiters, and Im sure most of us will be surprised again.

  • wildrover4

    Everyone is a grown up. I’m sure the promise is always conditioned upon the notion that if someone who is not suppose to be there is there, there are no guarantees. It would be much dumber to pass on an excellent prospect who inexplicably fell to you.

  • wildrover4

    The reports of McLemore’s poor workouts are self serving to those teams who want him to fall to them. Put on the tape and watch the kids play. NBA basketball is not a one on one drill.

  • wildrover4

    Give me 50-70 ppg through Waiters, McLemore, and Irving and I’ll build an interior defense through FA. Particularly with a healthy Andy and Thompson already here.

  • saggy

    Whew, just got here. Did I miss anything good?

  • saggy

    Andy:
    Healthy (for now)
    Here (for now)
    Good defender (for now)

  • F_ing_genuis1000

    Why is Chris Grant and everybody determined not to bring in 4 guys a rookies. I watched Festus Ezeli and Draymond Green play great this year as specifically skilled role players.

    What if Gorgui Deng, Glen Rice Jr, Deshawn Thomas, Reggie Bullock, Tony Snell or Jammal Franklin are there at 31 and 33. How is having Kevin Jones on the roster better than than having a Steve Novak lite Deshawn Thomas coming off the bench to shoot corner threes.

    I would rather take Marion than give up 19. If Mason Plumlee is there I would rather take him and ship Cottonball Zeller. He seemed disappointed when he got the news anyway. Zeller was a senior and if he doesn’t act like a man down low now then he never will.

    CG plays hard ball and I ain’t giving up 19. Deng is a low budget Noel but with a nice 17 footer. He or Plumlee is there for the taking.

  • cavs2013

    Because we have a roster filled with role players, which is what Ezeli and Green are. We need starters and having 2 lottery picks should bring us 2 starters.

  • cavs2013

    and Dion

  • Unkl Petey

    The real time potential to this deal as follows:

    Cavs deal both #2s to Dallas.

    Cavs receive Shawn Marion (w/$9 mil salary) & 13th pix.

    Cavs keep #19 & Dallas gets free money.

  • Bourn, Michael Bourn

    What type of short term free agent contracts will put us over the edge and spur us on to the playoffs?

    Kyrie is a smart kid and he undoubtedly sees the future and direction of this team. We are building around youth so that we will have sustainable success for the foreseeable future. Anyone can see that brighter horizons loom for the Cavaliers, even without free agency.

    When you completely gut your team (2010), tank and hope for draft pick success, you can’t jump ship the second you have a speck of talent and decide that you’re one player away from a championship. We have 3 sure things on this team (Kyrie, Dion, TT), it is essential to keep building through the draft since we are simply not that close to being contenders. Even Dan Gilbert said it was a 5 year plan.

    Look at why LeBron left. Every year, we shook up our team, trying to give him the best possible surrounding talent, leaving ourselves beyond vulnerable for the future, something Grant has certainly learned from.

    If you simply meant signing a couple of small deals then I can understand. But signing an Iguodala type player would really restrict us. Not to mention, we have a lot of future draft pick ammunition, allowing us to acquire more lottery talent at a cheap price.

  • wildrover4

    It is a lot more difficult and expensive to get players who are legitimate scorers in FA than it is to get good defenders.

  • Yup

    I think he’s the best prospect since LBJ…

  • Harv 21

    I think Dion’s defense, with his chesty Philly attitude and a year of playing man under his belt, is about to improve a bunch under Mike Brown. But we’ll see.

  • Harv 21

    That deal is so favorable for the Cavs it’s laughable. But the Cavs aren’t bringing in 3 rookies this year. They’re not in year 1 of a rebuild, they’re trying to step forward now and they have an important rookie contract on the clock. So if this is the deal it begs the question: what do they do with #19? There would have to be another trade, for a veteran, a swap for future picks or some combo of these.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    That all sounds well and good, but it doesn’t work in actuality. Basketball players don’t think of themselves as chess pieces and they don’t understand the idea of “just wait, we’re going to keep stacking up highly drafted players and then make our run 3 years from now.” Kyrie Irving has 2 years left on his rookie contract and I just can’t see him getting on board with more losing… he’s a competitor and he wants to win right now. If Kyrie leaves in free agency, you’re starting over from scratch because although Thompson, Waiters, and Len/Noel/Porter/etc are theoretically nice pieces, you need the superstar first and foremost. Now with that said, I’m not saying they have to go and make a big trade for LaMarcus Aldridge and Nic Batum (although I would certainly be in favor of that), but they need to make some notable move to show Kyrie that they want to win now. So whether that’s throwing $12M at Pekovic or bringing in Paul Pierce on a 1-year deal, then they need to do that.

    Also, think of it this way… if the Cavs keep drafting All-Star guys in the lottery, at some point they have to pay those guys big money. Look at the teams who are winning titles… the Heat, the Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, and even the Mavs. They have 2-3 All-Star players and a bunch of veteran role players mixed in with a couple of young players. The team you’re talking about modeling is the OKC Thunder, and look what happened to them… they paid Durant, Westbrook, and Ibaka and had no money left to pay Harden so they had to trade him (and got 50 cents on the dollar for that trade). If Waiters and Thompson both end up being studs and the Cavs sign them both to big deals along with Irving, then whoever the Cavs draft w/ the #1 pick this year won’t be in Wine and Gold longer than 4 years if that player turns into a stud, and the Cavs would be setting their championship sights in that range.

  • Vindictive_Pat

    You’re missing silly season in full bloom! It’s gorgeous, really.

  • 330ClevFan614

    Make the trade with the Mavs for Marion and the 13th pick for the Cavs 19th. I say you draft Noel or Len with the 1st. Then if Porter/McLemore/Oladipo slide into 5-7 territory, package the 13th, 30th, 31st and PTBNL if needed to grab one of those 3 players. Hopefully it’s Porter who drops.