While We’re Waiting… Your Tribe MVP
October 7, 2013
Scott Raab on the Tribe playoffs, Chief Wahoo, Hoyer injury, Mike Brown – WFNY Podcast – 2013-10-07
October 7, 2013With the Browns having played last Thursday, we thought everyone might like to chime in on the games they watched instead of the Browns this Sunday. So who did you see? Who was the big winner? Who blew it?
WINNER: Peyton Manning. Manning threw an interception on Sunday, which was the big news. He only threw 20 touchdown passes on the season before that pick. Four more touchdown passes and one rushing against the Cowboys in a win Sunday. Ho-hum. Another 400 yard performance.
LOSER: Solo possession of first place. Browns fans were pretty excited after Thursday’s win about being in first place, especially with the Bengals and Ravens both playing tough games this weekend. Well, both of them came up winners on Sunday. The Browns are back in a tie with Cincinnati and Baltimore. All three are 3-2.
LOSER: Big time receiving games. The Sunday night game withstanding, take a look at this chart of the top receiving performances of the week.
Notice something? Yep. Five of those six fantastic performances came in losses. Congrats to T.Y. Hilton I suppose.
WINNER: Kansas City Chiefs. Winners of five in a row to start the season. How bad does Romeo Crennel look?
Ok, that’s enough from me. Who are your winners and losers from week five?
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Winner to sudden Loser: Tony Romo.
Way to turn the conversation right back to how you don’t live up to the big moment after a historically great game
WINNER/LOSER: Indianapolis Colts, who are looking like real contenders now, and the Browns’ draft picks. I’m betting that included in the trades made with Indy was the thought that with their schedule it would be a mid-round pick. Now it’s looking pretty late.
His stats in big moments are actually good, even if the narrative says otherwise.
WINNER: Browns fans: Pittsburgh Steelers still suck.
LOSER: All teams/fans of the NFC lEast. The 2-3 Cowboys are the current division leader (and they couldn’t spell Defense if you spotted them an “efense” and told them it stared with “D”.)
WINNER: Alex Smith – all he does is win games.
LOSER: Matt Schaub…the guy used to beast it…now he’s thrown almost as many TD’s to the defense as he has to his own guys.
WINNER: Cincinnati (I can’t stand the P*triots), so I’ll take this…besides, if our record is the same, we have you on head to head anyways.
LOSER: Jacksonville Jaguars – you traded your LT, moved your RT to LT (and then he promptly broke an ankle.) Your two best players (sad) are gone for the season. And…you’re Jacksonville.
Regardless of his stats, he could have changed the perception last night if he did ANYTHING other than throw a pick in that situation. Just kneeling down would have been better.
LOSER: T-RICH!!!
Dude continues to average 3 YPC, and continues to have his backups average more YPC. This trade could look really bad for Indy when T-Rich is sharing time with Donald Brown, and Indy has no 1st rounder.
At this point, a 3rd or 4th round pick would have been value for T-Rich.
Loser: ME, who started Tom Brady instead of Tony Romo
Winner: Willis McGahee. Rusty and ancient, out for a full year, thrown into the fray without a training camp and squeezes out just enough in his third game on only 3 days rest to sustain drives. Now he gets to rest for 9 days and maybe is crafty enough to help keep that Detroit d-line off of Weeden every play.
Someone determined that Manning threw for something like 1.27 miles in passing yards between interceptions. Guy seems to have the longest quarterbacking prime in history.
it’s like his career will be defined by great talent undermined by his own late mistakes. Feel bad for the guy.
That’s not true at all. Failing to get a first down there is a loss, and effectively they needed yards on that play to have a chance at a first down. Two minutes left in a tie game with Peyton on the other side (especially this year)? Anything that gives the ball back is about equally as bad there.
No, an interception on their own side of the field is much worse than going 3 and out and punting.
Why? Peyton getting the ball at his own 40 with 1:40 left and his timeouts isn’t enough time to get in position to kick a FG? At least this way (and obviously this wasn’t on purpose – just noting), the Cowboys had a chance to get the ball back if they either let the Broncos score or force a FG by stopping them instead of letting them perfectly get to the 1-yard line for another first down.
Ok you win. I’m not going to argue anymore about if it’s better or not to pin a team deep or give it them the ball with great field position, you got me.
I’m not saying it was a great play, obviously. What I mean is that the only way to have a chance to win that game is to get a first down, and therefore he had to go for it.
I should clarify that I agree with you on the *perception* of Romo; I just mean that perception doesn’t equal reality, even within this game. An incompletion or an INT in that situation are about equally as bad (and as noted, one can argue that the INT at least gave them a chance to have the ball again).
Or me, who did that with Eli Manning. (Though I still won…)
Worse, I had Peyton in another league… and the other guy had Romo. I lost by 7. UGH.
Either way, do you see how trent is playing? He had 18 rushes for 56 yards. 3.1 average, and one of them was fo 16 and one for 10. 16 of the attempts for 30 yards. Laughable. I thought they would use him more in the passing game.
Winner – Terelle Pryor. He gets a win for Oak! Oak is now 2-3. They will probably be looking for a QB too. A win for Oak is good for the browns. I will be rooting for Oak, Jac, TB, Houston and any other bad teams, except the steelers
Agreed 100%. And after the year, I still think people will say the Browns got a steal for what is probably worth a 3rd round pick. I’m just noting that it may not help the Browns have enough ammunition to get a top-3 or whatever if they wanted to.
Or me, who ran into Peyton Manning this week and needs 35 points from Matt Ryan and Tony Gonzalez tonight.
LOSER: Me. I spent a lot of time this weekend re-watching the Miami, Baltimore, and Buffalo games looking for some reason or hope for Weeden to keep us moving in the right direction. And I found none. We are in first place after 5 weeks, and have a real chance to stay competitive within the division to the end, and Hoyer gets turned into a pretzel. I am as optimistic as they come with the Browns, and I don’t see any reason to think we end up with more then 5 wins. Hope I am dead wrong.
yeah, Romo gets bashed more than he deserves. Early in his career he tried to do too much in the 4th quarter and gave games away. He’s been much better the last couple of years but the narrative is set until he does something in the playoffs (and those big leads he built last year that the defense game away didn’t help).
but, keeping with the spirit of the column:
Loser: NFC East – where 8 wins gets you the division
I just hope that somehow Weeden can watch the tape of Hoyer vs. Vikes and Bengals and see how quick decisions and pre-snap reads can work really well. He has to see the difference between his decision making and Hoyer, doesn’t he???? Maybe seeing how the offense CAN look will make him change his ways??? I’m grasping…
Winner: SF Defense (hey, they’re back)
Winner: Terrelle Pryor, starting NFL QB (who knew?)
Winner: Revenge on NFL — Spygate spawned an 18-1 angry campaign by Patriots. Bountygate has Saints at 5-0 on an angry campaign.
Loser: Using “gate” at the end to describe every scandal.
Loser: Eli Manning – all he does is throw INTs
Loser: Panther Offense – if you are going to throw your former OC under the bus, then actually show up on offense the next time you play.
Loser: Matt Schaub – all he does is throw TD passes (to the OTHER team)
one more…
WINNER: Great Lakes Classic
When was the last time that Detroit & Cleveland met in a regular season game when they were both in 1st place in their respective divisions?
Wow…that’s kind of scary to think of.
Having Gordon will help him some. As for reasons why we can end up with more than 5 wins…I can give you several:
Rubin, Taylor, Bryant, Bryant, Jackson, Haden, Ward, Skrine (who’da thunk it?) Gipson, and Travis Benjamin…
We have some serious talent and one heck of a coaching staff.
Maybe 7 games…which is just sick
It looks like 1983. We played in the second game of the season.
Detroit was tied for first in the NFC Central at 1-0 after beating Tampa.
Browns were tied for first in the AFC Central at 0-1.
Browns lost to the Vikings.
Pittsburgh lost to the Broncos.
Cincinnati lost to the Raiders.
Houston lost to the Packers.
Browns won, 31-26.
Browns are under a QBgate scandal…
I’m with you….and hope you’re 100% right and I am dead wrong. It is just brutal watching Weeden do the same thing over and over and making the same slow decisions.
I haven’t spent the time looking at the tape, but does weeden do something differently pre-snap that others aren’t doing? Is the D picking up on something?
OK Who would you guys start…Pryor vs KC or Palmer vs SF this week, or pick up Weeden vs Lions. Feedback is appreciated and I will do the opposite.
“WINNER: Alex Smith – all he does is win games.”
Totally agree. I couldn’t help but wonder what the 49ers would look like right now with Alex Smith…
From my complete amateurish observations from what I see on my screen, it does seem like defenses are getting a quicker start on Weeden’s snaps than Hoyer’s. So I don’t know if that is his repetition on snap counts, etc.
I also remember reading Cameron’s quote after the Vikings game on his game winning TD reception and saying that the play was a pre-snap hot route called by Hoyer based on the Vikings defensive alignment. Gordon also referred to Hoyer’s ability to make pre-snap reads after the Bengals game as what Hoyer does so well. I don’t know if Weeden isn’t doing this as much, or if it is the reason for success for Hoyer, but it appears this is connected with his slow reads….he is just lacking in the “reading defenses” department pre-snap and post-snap. Anticipation I guess is what Hoyer seemed to excel in.
Again, I don’t have any stats to back this up, but these are just things that I feel when I watch, and then read quotes from Cameron and Gordon after the game and put it together.
This may all be true, but any meaningful notion of “value” from this trade will ultimately rest in the hands of Mike Lombardi, our embattled talent evaluator.
So you’re telling me we are screwed?
dangit, you are correct. I meant to type “above .500 & in 1st place”
you’ve got to really dig for that one.
whatever you do, don’t start Weeden
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In order to not start weeden, i will not have to drop palmer
No….well, I don’t know…..I love what Hoyer did – I love the Hoyer story – but at the same time doesn’t common sense say that if an undrafted QB who has been cut by three different teams can make quality pre-snap reads, and quick post-snap decisions, then a QB selected in the 1st round can do the same thing if he is coached to?
There was a great article in the PD (online version) that discussed this exact topic yesterday. Browns players telling Weeden – get the ball out – trust us – anticipate like Hoyer did – and this will work for you too.
I want it to work for Weeden…..I just haven’t seen it yet. But maybe his chance to sit and watch it for two games made something click for him.
I don’t want to be screwed….
that’s what she…..nevermind.
The silver lining is that it would actually be on Weeden, who thinks that throwing a pass in the NFL is like pitching in baseball.