While We’re Waiting… Starring Mathew Dellavedova
December 18, 2013
The Diff: Should Cavs be involved in an Omer Asik trade?
December 18, 2013As the Houston Rockets continue to look for a landing spot for disgruntled center Omer Asik, the Cleveland Cavaliers once again find their name in the mix. The latest, coming from ESPN Boston, has the Cavaliers as a third team in a deal that would ultimately net them forward Jeff Green.
The Celtics now are widely regarded as the strongest rivals to the Philadelphia 76ers in terms of likely destinations for Asik. …
Cleveland is another team that has been frequently linked with Asik the past several days, but sources close to the situation maintain the Cavaliers like the fit of Anderson Varejao in their frontcourt rotation better than Asik and thus are more likely to participate in such a trade as a third-team facilitator rather than as the team that winds up with Asik. …
One possible scenario that has emerged, sources say, is a three-way trade in which Boston lands Asik, Cleveland absorbs the contract of Celtics forward Jeff Green and Houston scores no fewer than one of the future first-round picks it covets for surrendering Asik. Other players would have to be involved in such a trade to make the salary-cap math work, but it’s the sort of trade that would fall in line with Cleveland’s well-known focus on upgrading its options at small forward.
The Cavaliers pursued Green in free agency two summers ago before Green re-signed with Boston and, as ESPN.com reported Sunday , have shown far more interest recently in finding a new small forward than going ahead with the rumored Varejao-for-Asik swap.
The 6-foot-9-inch Green is averaging a career-best 16.5 points per game for Boston, seeing his usage rate climb above 20 for the first time in his career. Green, 27, is under contract for $8.9 million this season, $9.4 million in 2014-15, and has a player option for $9.4 million in 2014-15.
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35 Comments
Gee for Green
Wow. You would have to think that getting Green would be a huge upgrade for the Cavs. I’m all in on this one.
How about this theoretical 3 way deal:
CLE gets Green, and possibly other trade fillers
BOS gets Asik, Clark or Gee
HOU gets a first from BOS (maybe one that was from BKN?), Zeller.
Not exactly sure how the numbers would crunch but the Cavs can take on salary.
Green would be a gigantic upgrade at the SF spot. He has been very good at defense this season AND he is shooting 40% from 3pt land. If that is all he does, then it’s HUGE for this team.
which and how many 1st rounders do we give up? Kings and our own maybe? if no major players involved, then this would be a really, really nice get.
I’d have to imagine the 1st rounder comes from us. Boston is giving up a solid player with potential on a decent contract. Houston is giving up a good player on a bigger contract. We would give up virtually nothing above (other than eating some cap room). I don’t think either Boston or Houston is caring about the $$ enough to do a giveaway here.
I really like the idea of Jeff Green but I want to see what we have to give up first.
Based on what the article says, it looks like Houston wants a first round pick. I’d send them that protected SAC pick we still have for Green in a heartbeat. Especially since we all know that SAC isn’t moving out of the bottom 12 (where it’s protected until) anytime in the near future anyways…
It all depends on how badly BOS wants to shed Green’s salary AND how badly HOU wants to get rid of Asik. After all, it was HOU that “set a deadline” for dealing Asik and BOS looks to be clearing out anyone w’ long term deals. Think of the MEM deal from last year…Chris Grant netted rotation players AND a future pick for virtually nothing more than helping MEM get under the tax line.
I’d offer Zeller and Earl Clark to HOU + the MEM pick, w’ Asik going to BOS and Green coming to CLE. Worst they can say is no.
How did the Cavs get over the cap? I thought they were still at least $10M under the cap.
Gee and a Registered Nurse for Green. That evens it out.
-Fern
Gee, RN for Green
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland.htm
it uses the full Bynum number for this year, but I think that is what we have to do in a trade (and what will happen with him anyway).
Cap this year is $58mil
yes, I agree if that is what the goals of these teams were. But, if Boston is taking on Asik, then they are obviously not clearing out long-term salary. Houston wants to get rid of Asik, but most of these rumors (at least) have them getting some real talent/picks back in return.
alos, I don’t think the math works out with the players you have above. I’d love to get the bargain though.
Would be nice to move that stupid kings 1rder that we will never see
I think it’s fairly likely we also move one of our current forwards in that deal, rather than multiple first round picks, but I agree Jeff Green would be a great fit and a huge upgrade. Perhaps the Rockets would like to have Clark as a stretch four playing next to Howard?
Per the “espn trade machine” the deal is allowable. Cap-wise, Asik is a bit cheaper than Green (and has one less year)…and Asik being an expiring next year likely wouldn’t/isn’t keeping BOS out of the talks.
But yeah, the idea was to go in super-low just to find out what the HOU/BOS motivations truly are.
Finally a trade proposal that might make sense for all the teams. The devil’s in the details, but at least we would actually get something we need.
True, I forgot we didn’t still have unlimited ability to take on salary. I agree this probably makes the most sense, although I’m still hesitant to give up Varejao. Not because Green isn’t good value for him AND a big need for us, but because Bynum isn’t going to play many more minutes than he is and moving Andy would put Zeller on the floor for significant minutes AND require us to either play Clark at the PF position more or put Bennett on the floor more. Zeller/Clark in the frontcourt sounds like a recipe for being dominated in the paint to me. Let’s not forget that Green wouldn’t probably be under control for any longer than Andy either, so it needs to make us better in the next two years. The big question in my mind is whether or not that swap is worth a 1st round pick.
True, I forgot we didn’t still have unlimited ability to take on salary. I agree this probably makes the most sense, although I’m still hesitant to give up Varejao. Not because Green isn’t good value for him AND a big need for us, but because Bynum isn’t going to play many more minutes than he is and moving Andy would put Zeller on the floor for significant minutes AND require us to either play Clark at the PF position more or put Bennett on the floor more. Zeller/Clark in the frontcourt sounds like a recipe for being dominated in the paint to me. Let’s not forget that Green wouldn’t probably be under control for any longer than Andy either, so it needs to make us better in the next two years. The big question in my mind is whether or not that swap is worth a 1st round pick.
Yeah… and Houston knows that too, so why would they want it?
Amen!
yeah, that trade works better in a world where Bennett is giving us something useful in the frontcourt.
but, even though Green isn’t under contract longer than Andy, he is younger and could potentially be apart of the corps longer.
I still like Gee for some reason I’d much rather trade Clark. I don’t think Clark has a great basketball IQ plus he doesn’t exactly play defense. Gee’s best asset is his defense plus Green’s size would equal Clark’s but with much more of a scoring threat.
If you could swap Clark for Andy or I guess even my man Gee I’d prefer it. If it had to be Andy I could live with it but if it was Clark I’d consider the deal a steal.
only in a situation where they have told their fans they want a 1st round pick but noone is offering one. well, we have something that says it’s a 1st round pick though it may not be one 🙂
Very true lets not get overly excited because it’s not often that a trade which makes sense for multiple teams let alone Cleveland actually happens.
This would be my favorite deal, if Houston likes Clark. If Jeff Green can play mostly at SF, it will not only move Gee to the 2nd unit where he can be more effective, but it also allows Anthony Bennett to get back to playing PF, which is ultimately where he needs to be if he’s going to develop. Watching AB try to get out to the wing to guard small forwards (like Batum and Dorell Wright last night) has been just brutal.
Green is a slight upgrade over Gee.
http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=âś“&player_ids%5B%5D=45&player_ids%5B%5D=13&season=2013
That contract is awful and I don’t think he adds enough value to make it worth it.
Your definition of “slight” is…curious. He is a clear upgrade over Gee in nearly every capacity plus this shows how far below an average SF Gee currently is playing.
This year, Jeff Green is average. Alonzo Gee is slightly below average.
Last year, Jeff Green was terrible and Alonzo Gee was just bad.
Jeff Green makes 3x the money Alonzo Gee does. He is not, never has been and most likely never will be 3x more productive. He’s not worth $9mil a year.
And that’s if we’re talking about trading Gee for Green straight up, which we most likely are not. Cavs would have to give up a draft pick or two and lose other players from the team.
A move that doesn’t make the team meaningfully better and costs us a draft pick makes no sense to me.
Again, your defintion of slight us not accurate. Do you know his to read those stats? Green is above average on EVERY shooting stat. His shooting numbers are better than Carmelo across the board except FT shooting. Green’s shooting efficiency is really good this year, in fact. This is what we need for the 3 on this team. Efficient scoring. There is NO SCENARIO where Green does NOT “make this team meaningfully better.”
And as always, Clevelanders over-valuing draft picks…
meaningfully better:
Cavs SF PER = 10.1
Opponents SF PER = 17.2
SF contribution = -7.1
http://www.82games.com/1314/1314CLE5.HTM
Green SF PER = 15.6
Opponent-Green SF PER = 11.8
SF contribution = +3.8
http://www.82games.com/1314/13BOS9.HTM
okay, so he wouldn’t ‘always’ be at SF nor always be on the floor, but that’s a 10.9 PER swing!
if he just takes Gee’s minutes at SF:
Gee SF PER = 6.7
Opponent Gee SF PER = 18.4
SF contribution = -11.7
http://www.82games.com/1314/13CLE7.HTM
So, a total swing of 15.5!!!!
Your a 100% right Green offers us more from the 3 then Gee and clark as a pair but if at all possible I would still prefer to shed clark then gee and the kings 1st rounder might sound good to Houston with Rudy I can see them getting out of the top 12 range this year the west is top strong but the bottom is kind of weak besides okc spurs clippers and warriors and maybe portland if they don’t fold in 2nd half there’s no other sure fire teams in west
PER is a worthless metric that does not in any way correlate to wins.
$9 mil a year is big money for a guy that is literally average.