WFNY Roundtable: Latest Browns Draft Thoughts

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WFNY_roundtable

With the NFL Draft finally just a week away, we decided to take everyone’s temperature and see what they were thinking about the Browns draft possibilities. Check out the conversation below, and enjoy!

 

  • mgbode

    that is just what he wants you to think

  • mgbode

    eschew schmiedebusch

    sounds like a terrible punk band. anyway, we won’t get rid of all our later picks, but I do want more starters out of this draft. sacrifices sometimes have to be made.

  • mgbode
  • RGB

    He is definitely on my WANT list.
    SAMMY, Van Noy, Murray.

  • mgbode

    throw in Bitonio and Shaw (yes, Murray & Shaw) and I’d be pretty pumped about our draft. And, I guess Breeland and either Brooks or Baily to fill out our defensive backfield.

    maybe even Jaylen Watkins with a late pick and see if he can stay healthy (brothers!!!!)

  • RGB

    If SAMMY is gone, and we can trade down and still maintain a top 10 spot. Yes, yes, yes.

  • Steve_Not_Chad

    This is a bit off topic, but I’ve been wondering why Mingo can’t be moved inside? Or at least play him the same way people are talking about playing K.Mack, inside and outside.

  • Steve_Not_Chad

    This is an honest question for you film watchers. It’s Friday, none of you are doing any work at your jobs, I NEED ANSWERS!!!

  • RGB

    Mack is already 250+.
    Mingo has had to gain weight to get to 240.

  • Steve_Not_Chad

    Is it just a weight thing?

  • RGB

    Mostly, I think.
    Kanick and Bode may have some other insights.

  • mgbode

    Ok, this is likely my area since I am the one proposing we utilize a bunch of these OLB guys at ILB (when in 3-4) if we draft them (Mack, Barr, Van Noy, Shazier).

    The main thing that separates those 4 guys from Mingo is their attack mindset on run defense. Mingo has been conditioned to hold the edge to the point where he becomes stationary on many run plays (and when he’s in the wrong spot, CJ Spiller goes around that edge and scores a 40yd TD).

    Watch those 4 guys play and you will see that they are always in attack mode. Not just the QB, but it’s “see ball, get ball” mode. I don’t think that is something you teach. I think that is something that is an inherent mindset to a large degree and Mingo doesn’t have it.

    Further, he plays too high. The inside guys need to play as low to the ground while slicing as possible or they will get eaten up by blocking. It is actually why Shazier struggles with it. He is so concerned with being fast that he stands up too much when he’s attacking and gets taken out of plays when the OL gets to him. Van Noy is a specialist here and is ridiculously good at shedding blocks by keeping low, turning his hips/shoulders and getting through the block.

    In the end, Mingo could be moved inside, but he is already at the wrong height/weight combination and he would have to redevelop his mindset. And, you would have to take away his outside edge rush, which is the best thing about him. I don’t think you want that much changing. Let him do what he does and keep him on the outside.

    If any of our OLB guys move inside, then I would expect it to be Sheard actually. He would be a poor fit with Dansby, but if Karlos gets hurt, then he could potentially fill the void there as his skills are rather flexible.

  • RGB

    This morning from Kris Jenkins on Colin Cowherd…”Sammy Watkins is a straight beast.”
    :D

  • Steve_Not_Chad

    Thaaaaaaanks Bodeeeeeee

  • Steve_Not_Chad

    I thought it was his height more than weight.

  • Harv 21

    So we’re actually making the same point but too pre-draft geeked to have recognized that. With Watkin’s explosiveness and having read about his devotion to his craft, particularly route-running and avoiding the jam, I honestly believe he’ll be a fine NFL receiver. But I view Evans similarly to Clowney, or Chip Banks a few decades ago: he can reach just 70% of his potential and still dominate games whenever the mood suits. That makes him a defensible #4 overall, because his downside doesn’t suck and his upside is pro bowl. Here’s my nightmare: Evans is taken by one of our division rivals, we don’t secure a real #2 CB (or we do and he is injured), and we’re treated to 6’6″ Evans abusing 5’7″ Buster Skrine for 60 minutes on a Sunday afternoon.

  • mgbode

    it is always height/weight combination. and really, height is always best as length (standing reach) because being shorter with longer arms is actually a big advantage (tend to allow to be quicker and easier to shed blockers).

  • Harv 21

    Steady, mg. Ask a rookie Gm to be hot-footing trades like that and 10 things can happen, about 8 of them bad (see Kokinis, George). He’s been bestowed great, multiple picks in a deep draft. If he keeps it simple and trusts their board we’ll be throwing roses by a week from tomorrow.

  • mgbode

    taking advantage of assets includes trading especially in this new-CBA NFL. draft day trades are plentiful and we need starters more than depth.

    also, I don’t believe Kokinis had any part of that 2009 draft. was he even in the room?

  • Harv 21

    ok, if Kokinis was absent substitute: “see Mangenius, Eric.” Very few GMs make multiple deals moving up and down and make it work.You’re asking a young GM to pull off the Smartest Guy in the Room thing the first time he runs a draft. I don’t want to see the Wallenda thing attempted when the placement and number of our picks will significantly improve the team if his board is good and he doesn’t panic on Thursday.

  • AR

    One thing I keep telling myself about Watkins – we should take his performance against OSU with a grain of salt. Jared Abbrederis, maybe a 4th-rounder with basically a drunken chipmunk throwing him the ball at QB, torched OSU for 210 yards last year.

  • mgbode

    Very few GMs make multiple deals moving up and down

    maybe in the old CBA, but the new CBA is a brand new world. trades happen with much greater frequency. no “smartest man in the room” stuff if you have a specific formula that you abide to and have thought through your grades on your board well enough. just play to the board and when there’s one or two really highly rated guys, trade up to get them. if there are a ton evenly rated at your pick, then trade down. not complicated if you keep calm.

    and make it work

    very few GMs make it work, period.