Cavaliers trade Jarrett Jack, Tyler Zeller and Sergey Karasev for cap space

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The Cleveland Cavaliers found the third team that they needed to move Jarrett Jack’s contract.

Marc Stein reports on Wednesday morning that the Cavaliers have traded Jarrett Jack to the Brooklyn Nets. The Boston Celtics will get Marcus Thornton from the Nets, plus Tyler Zeller and Sergey Karasev from the Cavaliers.

There you go. The Cavaliers now have approximately $24 million worth of cap space. A LeBron James max contract would be $20 million and change.

Update: The Cavaliers also send a protected first round pick to Boston-

And get draft rights to 3 European players-

Does this mean LeBron to Cleveland is a done deal? Of course not. Will LeBron James see that this has happened before his meeting with Pat Riley and the Heat? Absolutely.

[Related: Miami Heat didn't think they'd have to sell this hard]

  • eldaveablo

    Personally, I’m hoping Lebron comes without Love. I just like the idea of LBJ coming back with the young pups already on the roster and leading them to a nice, long, 5 year run (at least). Although, the Cavs will need a center.

  • RGB

    I’ll come up with something.
    Football season is approaching.
    Resurrect my JFF as Kaa schtick, maybe…

    http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1309998/kaa-o.gif

  • BenRM

    Normally I do. But it’s getting hard to do right now. This would be too huge.

  • WFNY_DP

    Won’t happen. It’s an arms-race now, every time LeBron is POSSIBLY set to hit free agency, teams will scramble to be able to assemble as many “big name pieces” as possible, because it’s not about building teams anymore so much as it’s about grabbing as many mercenaries as you can so LeBron can win rings.

    It’d be like if Peyton Manning had gone through free agency every four seasons and going to the most stacked team simply to win rings.

  • cmm13

    I don’t have the time to do it now; but just imagine every aging NBA vet’s face in place of everyone here.

  • nj0

    It is pretty hypocritical.

  • Steve

    Even if Lebron doesn’t sign, I give Griffin a solid grade for the effort he put forth. He knows this team is hot garbage as constituted and needs a huge upgrade or two to actually contend. He’s going to put everything on the table to get that to happen. That’s the right approach, not sitting back and hoping Irving and Waiters decide they’ll want to learn to play defense and team ball.

  • Steve

    How much downside is there to juggling this roster exactly? If they were a decent playoff team, I could buy it, but breaking up a team that couldn’t make the playoffs in the 2013/14 East is not a heartbreaking maneuver.

  • WFNY_DP

    So, all the 2010 hurt and gnashing of teeth about loyalty is gone, now? We’re OK with doing the exact same thing we decried just four years ago?

    And, we’re all willing to sign up for the 2010-Watch Rollercoaster Ride again?

    Like I said, it’d be great for the Cavs, and if they were to win a title it would be awesome. It just feels… ugh… I just can’t.

  • Steve

    “So, all the 2010 hurt and gnashing of teeth about loyalty is gone, now? ”

    Of course. It was all a cover for what we were really upset about.

  • WFNY_DP

    Which was…?

  • RGB

    I didn’t gnash any teeth about loyalty. He was free to leave and he left. I was a little chapped about The Decision, but what’s done is done. Those theatrics were a mistake and he knows it.
    My loyalties lie with The Orange Helmet, the Wine and Gold, and the Lake Erie Warriors.
    Whomever wears the gear matters not to me.

  • Steve

    Our basketball team was going to suck.

    We were fine with the idea of ring-chasing vets joining Lebron here before 2010, we’re fine with it if he comes back. We’re fine with us winning and not with someone else winning.

  • WFNY_DP

    Fair enough. I should have noted that my rhetorical questions weren’t directed at you, specifically.

    To say there were no Cleveland fans upset by the fact that it appeared that LBJ had colluded with his buddies to orchestrate a super team at the expense of the Cavs, however, has a blind spot to history.

  • architrance

    Yeah, but part of that anger was that it NEVER seemed like he did any kind of recruiting to help bring players to Cleveland, but then he goes and does it for another team.

  • Steve

    For fans, loyalty is always a one way street. It’s hilarious watching them complain about loyalty and then rip a guy for having a bad game or, god forbid, doing what he thinks is best.

  • WFNY_DP

    “We were fine with the idea of ring-chasing vets joining Lebron here before 2010…”

    I think that’s apples and oranges. Was LeBron the one calling the shots and convincing those guys to come here, or was that Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert trying like mad to get him to stay?

    It should also be noted that none of *those* moves (Shaq, Jamison, et al) worked out very well in the short or long runs.

  • architrance

    Signing short term deals would be ridiculous. We’ve seen in the past no one wanting to commit to his team if they don’t know he’s staying. You can’t build teams that way. If he signs w/the Cavs they obviously have a long contention window open & much flexibility for improvement.

  • Steve

    There were many accounts that Lebron was calling the shots, and Gilbert himself noted that he never wanted to let a player have that much power over the organization again (until, you know, he wanted to come back).

    Even if not, I’m not sure how much different it is. Those guys wanted to come to ring-chase next to Lebron.

    And I think it is very astute to note how successful it is to add ring-chasing lackeys as a roster building move.

  • WFNY_DP

    None of this is about loyalty for me, per se. It’s about the entire culture of the NBA where star players–with the complete blessing of the league and especially the big TV Money of ESPN–basically dictate the course of the league every four years or so. Outside of about 10-12 players, the other 99% of the league’s players are just “assets” to be moved around a ledger so that you can load up on as many of the stars as possible to try to win rings.

    The Cavs, to their credit, were ill-prepared for this in 2010, and are clearly much better prepared for it now.

  • WFNY_DP

    That’s a fair point. I guess I always assumed it wasn’t that LeBron was saying, “Go get me Shaq” so much as he was saying “Go get me a better supporting cast” vis a vis him “calling the shots”. I always interpreted it as, rather than letting the Cavs draft and build a team around him by going long on young players and developing, he basically forced them to go all-in and overpay for lesser “veteran” players in an effort to appease him to try to get him to stay.

    Perhaps that’s po-tay-to / po-tah-to, but it feels different.

  • Steve

    In MLB, teams can woefully underpay their players for six years, and have created such a disadvantage for players entering the league that many will take deals even longer just to ensure they make decent money. Look what the Astros did with Singleton.

    In the NFL, teams can dump guys without a moment’s notice, and will do so when a player’s body breaks down giving everything he has for the franchise.

    I’m not sure how the NBA is any worse than any other professional sport. I’m actually quite content with the idea that the real moneymakers for the league have a ton of influence on what happens. The only alternative I see is removing max salaries, and letting Lebron get $50-70M per year from a franchise.

    And I’d guess an equal percentage of players in other sports are treated as “assets” just as much as NBA players. It’s the nature of the beast that is professional sports.

    I know that the owners of all major sports have done an excellent job of painting players as the greedy bad guys, but the millionaire players are generally far less scummy than the billionaire owners. I’ll side them with the majority of the time.

  • cmm13

    Win.

    To most rational basketball fans just as big a disappointment as him leaving is that we had no plan B.

  • WFNY_DP

    I had noted in another thread a couple of weeks ago that part of my distaste has to do with roster sizes of various leagues/sports as well as impact one player can make on the game in the NBA. To wit: 2010, the Cavs immediately went from contender to horrible because of one player. There are clearly far more players of value in other sports, simply due to the nature of those sports.

    [edit] Also, cutting a guy in the NFL isn’t the same as your star player holding your franchise hostage every three seasons. The NFL has franchise tags for stuff like that. And, another topic for another time, but I suspect that if MLB ever gave in to a salary cap, part of the trade off would be player control (i.e., they’d be able to get to FA faster). Imagine small market MLB teams with no built in young player control in this no-salary-cap landscape… it boggles the mind. [/edit]

    Look, I’m certainly not saying I’m “right” for feeling like I do. I just know that, despite the increase in likelihood that LBJ might come back to the Cavs, I can’t deny that I’m just not that psyched about it.

  • WFNY_DP

    We all agree that the objective is to win, and certainly now it’s up to teams to manage their rosters to win in this environment. I’m not griping about that; teams are doing what they have to do to survive and to win.

    I just don’t like that, outside of basically San Antonio (who, it should be noted, had ONE bad season and won the lottery for the best PF of all time AND have one of the best coaches of all time), the only way to win in the NBA seems to be to spend two or three years getting your roster ready to try to coax a big star to come play for you. If you lose out, well, get ready for four more years of crappy basketball.

    Like I said above, kudos to the Cavs for understanding that now and executing pretty well in that environment. Chris Grant might not have been so terrible at his job after all, if this is the endgame.

  • WFNY_DP

    So, you believe that if LeBron signs with the Cavs his contract won’t have some kind of escape-hatch opt-out within the first three seasons?

    I’ll just say that I’ll be pleasantly surprised–and happy to admit I am wrong–if it doesn’t.

  • architrance

    I don’t know if I believe it, but he has to know not signing longer with a smaller market will make it harder to attract other top free agents.

  • architrance

    And if we still have a core of Kyrie/Wiggins/Love signed for several years, with Lebron opting out – that’s not the end of the world and is certainly a MUCH better scenario than 2010.

  • Steve

    OKC drafted and developed a solid roster, the Clippers drafted Griffin and put together enough pieces to add Paul. The Rockets didn’t have to tank to get Harden and Howard (and now maybe Bosh).

    I’d say those are the top four teams in the NBA (with the Spurs). And Portland, Golden State, Indiana and Chicago, who have done admirable jobs building rosters, are close to them.

    Even the Heat didn’t have four years of crappy basketball before Lebron and Bosh came, and they wouldn’t have had four more they didn’t get those two. What the Cavs are doing (if they get Lebron and Love) will be quite unique.

  • WFNY_DP

    I feel I should throw out a couple of notes.

    1. Sorry for being THA BUZZKILL in this thread. As I re-read it, I realize how silly it probably looks.

    2. I should stipulate the following, again, just in case:
    a) It would be GREAT for the Cavs if LeBron came back.
    b) Winning a championship would be awesome.
    c) I might start watching the NBA again if he did, but right now I’m still on TD’s #NBAFree train.
    d) Letter c shouldn’t give me the right to rain on everyone else’s parade, which at times it feels like I might be doing.

    3. In full disclosure, of the four professional teams I follow, the Cavs are a distant 4th in terms of the teams I truly want to win a title. If they win one, if would be great for the city, great for the fans, great great great. That said, it really wouldn’t remove the “Cleveland Fan Misery” complex for me, because it’s the team I least identify with. This probably colors a lot of my less-than-enthusiastic look at this news.

  • WFNY_DP

    This would be true, yes. (Assuming they don’t have to trade Wiggins to get Love.)

  • Steve

    I’d guess Love won’t guarantee any years past Lebron’s opt out. (along with needing to give up Wiggins to get Love).

  • architrance

    That’s why everyone approaches things differently. I could care less about following the Browns (turrible organization for the past 20 years), but I would obviously be excited if they won a Superbowl. LOL – talk about dreaming…

  • Lunch

    Hopefully that “appeasement” doesn’t mean that Ray Allen starts while Waiters and/or Wiggins is sitting on the bench.

  • The_Real_Shamrock

    I just heard on Drennan’s show it’s Wiggins/Bennett and two first round picks. Cavaliers would keep Waiters and Thompson. I do it. Wiggins will need a year maybe two he’s not coming in and making a splash his rookie season.