Despite Sam Bradford injury, Pettine doesn’t think Hoyer is back too soon

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In the wake of the Rams losing Sam Bradford to an ACL tear, it’s natural to wonder if the Browns’ own QB isn’t coming back too quickly. It hasn’t even been a year since Brian Hoyer tore his ACL against Buffalo and he’s back out there as the Cleveland Browns starter. When talking about the situation, Mike Pettine said he doesn’t think Hoyer’s back too quickly.

“The circumstances of all the cases are different. I have a daughter that’s done both ACLs, so having gone through it and knowing the rehab and knowing the process and how it gets repaired, a lot of times it comes back stronger than it was before,” he said. “I think that’s difficult to make a blanket statement on all the knee injuries. Certainly what happened to Sam is so unfortunate, but we feel confident with where Brian is and I think he’d be the first one to tell you that his knee feels strong.”

The fact is that it’s impossible to draw conclusions about Brian Hoyer from Sam Bradford. While I certainly can’t speak to an NFL player’s experience coming back from an ACL, I can speak to just how different each injury is. In my two ACL surgeries, one was a pretty clean injury and the other included cartilage damage as well. When you casually talk about these things they all get called “ACL injuries,” but it only makes sense that each injury and each patient experiencing the injury are different.

One thing that’s for sure is that NFL players are at risk of these injuries as much as any athletes in the world in all likelihood. Let’s be frank. NFL players are humans – albeit well-conditioned humans – running around a field with extra pounds of equipment on their bodies while being blocked and tackled by giants. Point being, there’s no way to conclude that Sam Bradford or any other player is or isn’t ready simply because they get injured again any more than a player is unprepared for the season because he tears an achilles or some other muscle.

I feel awful for Bradford who has to stare down another year of rehab. While it’s natural to root for and against professional athletes, I never want to see a player lose because they can’t even stay on the field.

(Photo – Scott Sargent/WFNY)

  • mgbode

    I personally thought that Bradford was always over-rated and touted far more than his actual play merited. However, I wanted him to prove or disprove that theory on the field. To work so hard on coming back from an injury and then go right back out has got to be absolutely brutal.

    Braxton is in a similar situation as well and it is truly unfortunate and I feel awful for both of them.

  • Ezzie Goldish

    A CLE friend who now lives in StL immediately posted “Hahah Sam Bradford – oh man. The guy refuses to let people know if he actually sucks or not.” I thought that nailed it.

    Another friend texted an interesting thought: Bradford could be a nice option to serve as a backup to Johnny next season (though I think he’d be expensive).

  • humboldt

    In watching the replays, it was painful to see the look in Bradford’s eyes as he intuitively knew something was very wrong. Despite the generous compensation of his (pre-CBA) contract, it isn’t hard to summon up empathy for someone facing such professional inertia and scrutiny (now the narrative becomes ‘Bradford is overrated and can’t stay healthy’).

  • Garry_Owen

    Hoyer will be a fine backup to Manziel next year.

  • Garry_Owen

    Did someone ask Pettine about it, or did he just offer this? If someone asked him, shame on them.

    Lemme guess:

    http://24.media.tumblr.com/4b52d8be4b6aa07139b14bb3ff76f72c/tumblr_mmmsd8tcVY1rhqmyao1_500.gif

    Right, mgbode?

  • Ezzie Goldish

    He’s a FA likely to leave, but agreed otherwise.

  • Garry_Owen

    You think he’ll leave? I don’t see it. Assuming (big assumption, I know – we haven’t played a down of football in anger yet) that Manziel is the starter next year, Hoyer has to know that he’s destined to be a backup regardless of where he goes. I think he’d rather stay at home, backing up a guy like Manziel that is likely to miss some time.

    (Man, if Browns fans didn’t have speculation, we’d have nothing to do. I’m sorry.)

  • Ezzie Goldish

    If he plays really well, he’ll look for a starting role elsewhere. If he is benched, he’ll look for somewhere where he’ll have a chance at starting at some point.

  • Garry_Owen

    Wow. I just now clicked on the article link. Sometimes, you can just smell the feces a mile away.

  • Garry_Owen

    I guess I just assumed that one of the primary conditions of my primary assumption is that he doesn’t play well. But your point is definitely valid.

  • BenRM

    If Bradford wasn’t the last rookie to get a megadeal, he’d have been ousted-Colt-McCoy-style many moons ago.

  • BenRM

    Nailed it!

    I like how in this gif, it’s as if MKC woke up and thought, “Oh no! I haven’t thought of any moronic questions for my puff piece yet!”

  • Garry_Owen

    Despite the fact that the Eagles got Chip Kelly and the Browns didn’t, the notion that Sam Bradford’s injury and recovery would have anything to do with Brian Hoyer is just plain stupid.

    [Sorry, Craig. After all this time, I just can't let it go. Some things just get burned in your mind. It's not you. It's me.]

  • Garry_Owen

    I seriously feel dumber every time I read something she writes or hear something she says.

  • mgbode

    I think either is a reasonable position. Being that this is Cleveland though, the more likely one is that we have a new QB to add to the list of starters.

  • Garry_Owen

    Shaw!

  • mgbode

    Possibly, but there are still so many scouts and intelligent football people who absolutely love him. He does have a picture-perfect release and great feet. I think his decision making is suspect and he’s got some issues on deeper routes, but who knows what would have happened if he were healthy the whole time.

    He was good enough that Fisher chose St.L over Miami (and in Miami he apparently would have had GM control too) because he believed in him. It’s the odd career of Bradford.

    I agree with you and think that he was never as good as touted, but it now seems likely that we’ll never know for sure.

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  • Garry_Owen

    “Oh no! I forgot to write my puff piece! Someone’s going to steal the headline of that great question I asked Coach P about Sam Bradford’s knee!! Must. Stop. Dreaming. About Mike & Mike.”

  • Harv 21

    I mean, what are the options if Hoyer is moving well? Bringing in a third QB for a summer camp competition against both Hoyer and the drafted QB of the future?

    Exhibition season often results in false positives (Weeden, Quinn). We may be seeing legit awfulness, or residue of Hoyer’s ongoing injury recovery. But we could also be seeing a false negative, awfulness from a new HC, new offensive system that no one knows and a dumpster of receivers that make me long for just one mediocre like MoMass. The fact that receivers aren’t looking back and both QBs are throwing behind them makes me guess that everyone is still very confused.

    The opener might go something like 45-3.

  • Lunch

    Let it go, Garry, Let it go. Let dancing octorok help you. Allow dancing octorok to serenade you and forget all your troubles.

    http://31.media.tumblr.com/8f669c1edb7885eed15910b44f3c6c2e/tumblr_n0spzjzmbN1s7ccmoo1_500.gif

    Lllllleeeeetttttt iiiiiiiittttttt ggggooooooooooooooooo………

  • Garry_Owen

    I don’t think we’ll beat the Steelers by that much, but I like your optimism!

    Oh, wait . . .

  • Garry_Owen

    Hmmmmmm. I should go back to work, but I’m really enjoying this. I think I’ll just stare at it for a couple more minutes. Just a couple. Maybe 3 or 4 or half a dozen. An hour wouldn’t hurt anything. Yeah. An hour or two. That’s all. Hmmmmm.

  • humboldt

    But will Hoyer be instantly traded for a 6th round pick? We have to do some benchmarking here

  • mgbode

    or will he throw for 52yds and an INT against Pitt and immediately be benched for the 1st round drafted QB despite coaching proclamations that he is our starter and we want to bring the new QB along slowly.

    not that situation would ever happen either.

  • mgbode

    You aren’t wrong!

  • mgbode

    has she made up with JFF yet? is this her way of trying to get back on the “start JFF” trail? it’s for Hoyer’s own good that he should be benched now afterall!

  • Garry_Owen

    Well, he started winning the job on Day 2. And did you see his dreamy TD run on Saturday? Very Quinnesque.

  • Lunch

    Better yet, trick, err I mean convince some other team to trade their 1st round pick for Hoyer. Hey it worked with Trent Richardson…

  • mgbode

    I watched the game twice. But, what I really want to know is what the guys in the retirement village said about it. Otherwise, I will never know who is elite and who is not.

  • mgbode

    Trent was a failed 1st round pick though. Easier sell to say they should pay what we paid (no, it doesn’t make any sense, but you get them to sign before they realize it). So, it’s a shame we don’t still have Brandon Weeden for when Jerry Jones drunk-dials us.

  • Garry_Owen

    My neighbor’s uncle was in the Coast Guard at some point during the whole Grenada thing. I asked him, and he said “Johnny what now?” Does that count? If so, get her on the phone and I’ll provide the connection.

  • Harv 21

    well, that was a rookie head coach

  • Garry_Owen

    Hey, Jimmuh. This is Jerruh, you old SOB! I need a quatuhback. Do you still have that rocket-armed ginguh? Nah? You mean I’ve got him? Well, what’ll it take fuh me to get that Hoyuh fellah? Two first-rounduhs? Pig sooie!

  • cmm13

    Hoyer will be a fine backup to Manziel next year.

    Manziel will be a fine backup to Mariota next year.

    …there, fixed that for you.

  • Garry_Owen

    Hater.

  • cmm13
  • mgbode

    well, if it doesn’t count, then you hate America!

  • mgbode

    you will also have to convince Jerry that Michigan borders Texas (Jerrah only wants players from nearby colleges). Otherwise, he’s all-in on Manziel (though we might be able to score Dez, Zach Martin, and more for JFF depending on how drunk he is).

  • Garry_Owen