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December 8, 2014Not that any of this is a shock, but Johnny Manziel is almost assuredly going to get his first NFL start this week against the Cincinnati Bengals.
I can only imagine what the reception for Johnny Manziel will be like if he gets announced as a starter and has a chance to do his money sign right out of the tunnel. It’ll be like Johnny Manziel’s very own Internet animation factory. Get your GIFs right here!
Anyway, Jason LaCanfora has the scoop from his sources and he seems awfully sure of himself.
Had a source connected to the Browns QB decision estimate there is a 99% chance Manziel starts Sun. Maybe even 99.5%
— Jason La Canfora (@JasonLaCanfora) December 8, 2014
Mike Pettine all but confirmed it in his chat with the media today as well.
Last week Pettine needed to meet with staff, Farmer re: QB decision; this week he just needs to talk to the QBs = change is probably coming
— Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) December 8, 2014
Pettine news conference over. Again, no decision made at QB, but he sounded like a coach ready to make a change.
— Tom Reed (@treed1919) December 8, 2014
Pettine said he doesn't want to go into when/how he'll tell QBs. "We'll go out there and Wednesday and practice with who our starter is."
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) December 8, 2014
The only real question is whether or not Brian Hoyer remains a member of the Cleveland Browns for the rest of the season. I hadn’t really thought about it much, but if the Browns have seen all they need to see and they know they’re not going to bring him back next year, maybe it might be the right time to say goodbye.
https://twitter.com/LaneAdkins/status/542057479597617153
https://twitter.com/LaneAdkins/status/542058412532445185
Hoyer’s comments to the media came off pretty badly today. He was a little bit looser casting blame on teammates. He didn’t name names or anything, but he mentioned missed blocks and dropped passes and balls hitting fingertips. It all seems like desperation setting in. Of course, it’s somewhat understandable, but it’s kind of icky nonetheless.
By my estimate, Brian Hoyer has cost himself somewhere in the ballpark of $10 to $15 million in salary over the last few weeks. He took himself from an Andy Dalton-type ballpark – two years and $20-25 million guaranteed – to decent backup type money of somewhere around two years and $8 to $12 million. It’s still good work if you can get it, but there’s no denying he had dreams of bigger deals.
That’s all speculation of course. And speaking of speculation, I can’t wait for the 2015 QB controversy of Johnny Manziel and Connor Shaw. Or will it be Manziel plus Jameis Winston or Marcus Mariota?
All the permutations are just delectable, aren’t they?
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At 99%, I was like, gosh, I’m not sure I trust your “sources,” but then you went to “maybe 99.5%,” and now I’m all like, these sources are freel, ya’ll, and they ain’t playin’. Rounded up, that’s like 100%, dog.
What would we do if Coach Pettine didn’t break down his decisions to half-percentage points?
I’m 99.6% sure that Hoyer was never in Dalton’s ballpark. Not even in his parking lot. Just because the Bengals lost their minds doesn’t mean that everybody else will.
Except the Redskins, of course. Yeah, they could use a QB. Maybe we can swap Hoyer now for a couple of first rounders as soon as Washington has first rounders again.
Why in the world would we cut Hoyer? That seems like a huge slap in the face to him. Hardly a move that would win us any friends.
Skip Manziel, start Shaw!!
Craig, you can say it. “I was wrong” It’s in there, but let the words actually state it. There was absolutely no reason to start Hoyer last week against the Colts and he did not give us a better chance to win that game (at least I don’t think so, I suppose Manziel’s first start could have gone to a 4-INT game or something completely crazy).
And, trust me. I’m wrong all the time (just not this time). It’s good to say the words.
Eh, I don’t know. Dalton’s deal was essentially a 2year/$24mil contract. I could have seen a team giving him something similar in desperation had he not fallen off a cliff. It wasn’t that long ago that we gave a fallen off a cliff Derek Anderson a 3yr/$24mil deal that would be similar in today’s NFL dollars.
Oh, and we reportedly passed up the Cowboy’s 1st round pick to do it too. And, Dallas was going to flip him to Baltimore, who ended up settling for Flacco in the draft instead.
At least we won’t be making that same mistake again, right? right? hello?
I agree. Dumping Ben Tate because he refused to help on ST and had fallen to RB3 made some sense. Cutting Hoyer does nothing unless he has truly lost his mind (would have to think that they could convince him that playing the good veteran will be beneficial to his free agency if nothing else).
I was in the pay Hoyer now camp before the season started. In my mind, “Dalton money” always meant something like the real dollar amount rather than the bull numbers put out by the team and promoted by the media.
Considering Kyle Orton got $5M a year, I didn’t think something like $8M/yr +incentives for a QB like Hoyer seemed that much. Of course, it does in hindsight. But it was a calculated risk, an acceptable overpay that at worst would have netted us a solid backpack QB without putting us in cap hell.
I was in the start Hoyer camp and I refuse to say I was wrong. I don’t think I was right, but I wouldn’t say I was wrong.
If Manziel went out there and played the exact same game as Hoyer, Pettine would be getting a million times more heat for a variety of reasons (benching a winner!, setting Manziel up to fail!, ruining a rookies confidence!, he lost the veterans!, etc!).
Sometimes there are no right answers. Sometimes it’s about trying to be least wrong. It’s arguable if this is one of those cases and maybe Manziel really was the answer, but I think that’s a huge assumption.
“I don’t think I was right, but I wouldn’t say I was wrong.” That’s classic!!
http://www.quotessays.com/images/nihilism-quotes-1.jpg
It was hard, so hard, but I too, let…it…go…
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I’d argue that I’m not advocating nihilism, but a Bayesian approach to our QB decisions. But hey, who am I to complain if it gets me closer to Tara Reid circa 1999?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9_L-2k2zxA
A second look at the tape clearly shows that all Hoyer had to do was play bad to win that game and instead he was just plain terrible. That’s why I don’t understand the bashing of Pettine. The defense had the game in the bag and isn’t he supposed to trust his “savvy veteran” that has slumber parties with Tom Brady to study film and is a true “scholar” of the game? 7-5 teams with a lead at home shouldn’t have to make a quarterback change but Hoyer brought choking to a new level. Anyone who disagrees, please re-watch that game knowing the browns are going to lose. You will want to gauge your eyeballs out watching the offense.
Expecting Hoyer to have different results after his November cannot to me be least wrong especially seeing him continue to repeat those performances.
Looks like the coaches should have let Shaw throw the ball against the Bears in the pre-season. Then again, if the coaches id that, they would not have given the Crow a chance that game and just cut him…
Manziel could not have done any worse than Hoyer.
What the heck are you going to do if Manziel gets hurt too?
So you’re saying 100% that Manziel would have done better?
You’re basing that on what exactly?
14/31 140yds 0TD 2INT 4.52YPA 31QBrating
in recent Browns memory, only the Weeden Philly and rookie-Colt Baltimore games was worse. the Campbell Jets game was about on par though.
I am not a Sith and thereby do not deal in absolutes. However, I expected Hoyer to play like he did on Sunday (well, marginally better as that was his worst game).
If I have a choice between something terrible and something unknown, then I take the unknown especially when the door was slightly cracked and it looked like it could be something nice though it wasn’t just a slither and we couldn’t be sure.