June 19, 2013

While We’re Waiting…Trading for Aldridge, scouting Desmond Bryant, and more thoughts on attendance

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“If Portland was ever going to trade Aldridge, they’d be sure to get the best return possible for him, as they should. If a trade with Cleveland was ever going to happen, Portland would undoubtedly insist on getting that pick (with other assets included as well) in exchange for their star big man. The reputation of this year’s draft gives Portland more leeway in trade negotiations. If the first overall were available, then that’s when trading Aldridge becomes an idea for management to consider.

As good as Aldridge is, he’s 28 next month. Damian Lillard and Nicolas Batum are 22 and 24 respectively, and their best years lie ahead of them. Aldridge will be on the wrong side of 30 when they hit their prime. Could the Blazers conceivably be a contender with an aging Aldridge? I’m hesitant to say yes, and it would require a lot more depth than what they have now. It’s hard to imagine them rising to that level.

By flipping Aldridge for young assets such as center Nerlens Noel via the first overall pick and one of Tristan Thompson/Dion Waiters, the Trail Blazers could add a bunch of good young players that can all reach their prime at once. Flipping Aldridge for two players also helps with the problem of depth, and from what we have seen so far, Lillard seems like a mature enough figure to replace Aldridge as a leader. Throw in some veteran leadership, some complimentary role players (and while very raw, Meyers Leonard is still a very nice asset to have alongside the other young players), and there you have a foundation that could be better to work with.” [Yeung/Rip City Project]
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MLB News: Indians No Longer Last in Attendance

From Joel Hammond’s blog on Crain’s Cleveland-

“Much has been made of the Cleveland Indians’ attendance this summer, as the team has ranked at the bottom of the 30-team league from the get go. Yet they’re out of the cellar now, despite their recent 11-game losing streak.

The Indians now are 28th in baseball, at 20,677 per game through 59 games — though they’re perilously close to the bottom, at just 105 fans above the last-place team. (Know what’s crazy? The two teams behind them, Oakland and Tampa Bay, are a combined 19 games over .500.)”

As Hammond adds, the Yankees still have a trip to Cleveland that will boost that number a bit. The Indians could end up 27th, which is still a far cry from the days of 455.

Then again, so is the team.

Complete attendance figures available here.

[Related: Acta: Offense Needs More Help to Contend]

Browns attendance is actually below average

Tickets and attendance have obviously been big news in Cleveland all year because the Indians have had difficulties drawing fans into the stadium. This has been amplified by Chris Perez’ statements wondering how Browns fans can justify supporting that team when he feels like the Indians are legitimately competing for the playoffs. This always goes down a few predictable roads. One fan will use the ad hominem phrase “FOOTBALL TOWN” rendering baseball and its fans lesser and just leave it right there. Another fan will look at intricacies of the schedule and the weather for baseball while claiming the magic will happen when school’s out. All of these things are true, and yet none of them describes the situation completely. There are a ton of variables. So let’s add another variable to the list. Everyone always assumes the Browns’ attendance is great, but is it really?

The short answer is no. Obviously the Browns have been bad and yet the Browns continue to sell out games and have managed to avoid blackouts 100% of the time since 1999. Occasionally tickets have been picked up by corporations and given away for free, but considering the Browns’ record since 1999 that’s some serious dedication. Does that speak to Browns fans or does that speak to the NFL as America’s favorite sport? I took some information from a Wall Street Journal infographic 1 describing attendance across the NFL for last season.

According to their stats, NFL stadiums were 95.2% full. The top team was the New Orleans Saints with 107.4% capacity and the worst was the Bengals at 75.2%. 107.4% seems like a silly number to me. Seven teams in the list claim to have percentages over 100% for attendance. If you reject the notion that attendance can ever truly be over 100% 2 and you adjust everyone to a top number of 100% the league average only drops 0.6% to 94.6%. So league-wide attendance is basically 95% on average, regardless. The Cleveland Browns on the other hand, in a city steeped in football tradition, where generations of fans pass it along like religion, were 89.8% full last season. [Read more...]

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  1. compiled from data by Stats LLC [back]
  2. I do, by the way. It seems like a silly way to falsify your numbers. [back]

While We’re Waiting… Tressel Anniversary, Irving’s Rookie Year, MLB Draft, Buckeye Champs

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One year ago on Memorial Day, everything changed for the Buckeyes. This column looks at the year of chaos in college football beginning with the Vest’s departure: “But few in Columbus, Ohio, ever will forget Memorial Day 2011, even if they’d like to. That morning, Jim Tressel resigned under pressure as Ohio State’s coach, nearly three months after admitting he had failed to provide information about Buckeyes players receiving improper benefits from a local tattoo parlor owner.

Five weeks earlier, in what turned out to be his final major public appearance as Buckeyes coach, Tressel, known for his trademark sweater vest, wore camouflage pants, desert boots and a camouflage hat during Ohio State’s spring game as a tribute to the military. Then, on a day dedicated to U.S. military members who made the ultimate sacrifice, Tressel, one of the nation’s most decorated coaches, stepped down from his post in disgrace.” [Adam Rittenberg/ESPN.com] [Read more...]

Indians’ Attendance Grows With Team Success

Maybe the most obvious headline ever, I know. Then again, how scary would it be if that statement was false?  Today, the Indians announced that Saturday’s game against the Reds is officially sold out.  It is the first sellout since the home opener.  Of course we all remember the crazy number of articles written about the seven games that the park has had under 10,000 patrons in attendance. [Read more...]

USA Today: MLB Attendance Issues Reach Beyond Cleveland

While Cleveland is setting all sorts of attendance records during the first month of the 2011 season, Gabe Lacques of the USA Today reports that the Indians are far from the only franchise feeling the wrath of empy seats.

As our own Jon laid out in a post that provided excellent WFNY community feedback, the depths of these attendance issues reach well beyond the “sticking it to Dolan” crowd.  Echoing much of this, Lacques references weather, the school year and a complete lack of storyline right out of the gate.  In fact, while Cleveland may be in the bowels of the nation’s economic issues, the other cities experiencing low paid park totals may surprise you.

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Some Thoughts on the Indians’ Record-Setting Attendance


It’s old news by now, but this past weekend the Cleveland Indians made some history by drawing the smallest crowds in Jagressive Field history.  After the perfunctory sell-out on Opening Day, the attendance on Saturday was below 10,000.  On Sunday, it was below 9,000.

After a season in which the Indians had the lowest attendance in all of baseball, people seemed to be taking some odd and perverse pleasure in the news.  On Twitter, there were more than a few stabs taken at the Dolans of the “This is what you get for trading away my favorite players” ilk.  Shapiro and Antonetti were also castigated for similar reasons.  The blame war had begun. [Read more...]

Cavs in Danger of Losing Season Ticket Holders for 2011

Quicken Loans Arena still has been an excellent atmosphere for the lowly Cleveland Cavaliers this year, but one must wonder how long that will continue.

If everyone recalls, season ticket renewals began in May 2010 in order for fans to guarantee their seats for the playoffs. A marketing gimmick that the team’s front office has used since LeBron James joined the team in 2003, it enabled the Cavs to stay afloat in terms of attendance for at least this season.

Entering the All-Star Break, Cleveland ranks third in the NBA in paid attendance with 20,343 per contest. With season ticket renewals already distributed to fans however, it is an interesting study to see how far that could fall for 2011.
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Indians On Pace For Worst Attendance Totals Since 1992

The Cleveland Indians are officially on pace to have the worst home attendance totals since the 1992 season.

With 59 home games in the books, the Indians have drawn 1,051,837 fans – a number which has been boosted as of late thanks to back-to-back (rockin!) firework nights and the induction of former center fielder Kenny Lofton into the team’s Hall of Fame.  While these events have been beneficial for walk-up sales and all-around fan morale, every other non-event game since opening day has been sparsly attended at best, compounding the term “non-event.” [Read more...]

What Would It Take? Good Question.

I was reading over at Cleveland.com on Wednesday and came upon this poll question- What would it take to get you back to Cleveland Indians’ home games? A very good question actually. I wasn’t thrilled with the answer selections, so I thought I would offer my vote here.

It really boils down to a couple of things. The first is that I don’t want to be treated like an idiot. Don’t try to sell me on players for three years when you have absolutely no intention of paying them close to market value when they are due for a contract. Along these lines, stop bringing in players like Dellucci and Branyan. It is kind of insulting that you sign these C+ to B- free agents and try to get us excited about them. You are wasting money that could have been spent to keep players in town that the fans actually care about. I know that there have been efforts made in the past that burned the organization. You signed Hafner and Westbrook to long term deals and then they spiraled down the injury staircase. But to be honest you have gotten relative passes for those players. We are all pretty done with Travis, but even the anger about Hafner’s contract that exists is nothing compared to the venom I’ve seen for guys like Dellucci. [Read more...]

Desperate To Sell Tickets, Indians Join Forces…With The Browns

Got $15,000 laying around? Not sure what to do with the last of that bailout money your company got? Well have we got a bargain for you…

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The Indians and Browns today announced what they are calling a “Unique Sales Alliance”. The struggling franchises are offering you the chance to buy a suite package for 2 upcoming  Tribe and 1 Browns game this season. The release-

The Cleveland Indians and Cleveland Browns today announced they are joining forces to form a sales alliance to provide sports fans of the Midwest region a unique opportunity to enjoy the excitement of Major League Baseball and the National Football League. [Read more...]

Tribe Wins; Bullpen Still Stinks

LaffeyWith 20,562 screaming fans in full throat just 500 feet or so from the Home Run Plaza in left field, the Indians were taking on the Kansas City Royals. To quote the great Harry Doyle from Major League “in case you didn’t notice, and judging by the attendance, you haven’t,” the Indians won a game behind strong starting pitching and their suddenly potent offense, knocking off Kansas City 8-7 in front of the smallest crowd in Jacobs/Progressive Field history. The attendance was listed at 11,408, but that is tickets SOLD. My guess, it was more like 3,000. [Read more...]