August 26, 2014

Brandon Weeden visiting Dallas today

Weeden working out wearing his signature series watch

In my experience, Dallas Cowboys fans have some consternation with regard to Tony Romo. In Romo, they’ve got a guy with some clear ability and talent, but he never seems to put them over the top. Romo is nearing his mid-30′s now as an NFL player and makes a ton of money and it’s reasonable to assume that the Cowboys might need to start thinking about the future. It’s hard to believe that thought process begins today when former Browns first round draft pick Brandon Weeden is reportedly visiting Big D.

I’m really trying to be kind to Brandon Weeeden, or at least leave him alone. He tried to be a good quarterback here in Cleveland and much like most players who’ve worn the orange and brown, the organization wasn’t exactly conducive to elevating players. Just consider that Weeden was (over)drafted by Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert, before they gave way to Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi – the latter of whom everyone knew didn’t like Weeden – before finally being released by Ray Farmer. Names like Pat Shurmur, Norv Turner, Greg Little, Mohamed Massaquoi, and Davone Bess litter the box scores that make up Brandon Weeden’s time in Cleveland as well.

Sure, there’s no defending Weeden’s record in Cleveland in the end,  but it seems cruel and unusual to keep harping on it. So, I’ll stop. For now.

But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t find it funny that someday a Dallas Cowboys fan might be grimacing through some heart-wrenching turnover-laden Tony Romo performance in the near future and look down the bench at Brandon Weeden to provide some relief.

[Related: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie has “invitation” to visit Browns]

Browns hire Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator according to reports

The on-again, off-again prospects of Kyle Shanahan with the Browns appear to be on for real this time. Alex Marvez reports via his sources that the Browns have made Shanahan the offensive coordinator for Mike Pettine’s Cleveland Browns.

While many more details of what Kyle Shanahan is going to do need to come forth, it seems like a pretty good hire from the outside. In Shanahan, the Browns are getting a candidate with good experience, despite being just 34 years-old.

[See: Browns to interview Kyle Shanahan for offensive coordinator job]

Shanahan obviously had a foot in the door via his father, Mike Shanahan, but he’s got a lot of stops since starting his coaching career in 2003. He’s been in offensive coaching and staff positions with the Buccaneers, Texans, and finally alongside his dad with the Redskins. Shanahan’s been an offensive coordinator since the Texans gave him the gig in 2008.

Obviously, nothing on a resume can prove that he’ll be successful in Cleveland. The all-important quarterback questions have helped to overmatch every other offensive coordinator in Cleveland since 1999, and it won’t be any different for Shanahan. So, whether it’s helping Brian Hoyer become the real deal, bringing along a drafted rookie or some combination of the two, Shanahan’s success will ultimately ride on that QB.

But as Cleveland fans, you already knew that.

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All-Pro Josh Gordon: ‘You cannot replace Norv Turner’

All-Pro Josh Gordon: ‘You cannot replace Norv Turner’

Gordon

“You cannot replace Norv Turner. That’s a legendary Hall of Fame coach. If it’s the same offense, heck, we’d be lucky to have it. Anything else, West Coast, I’ve run it before with [Pat] Shurmur. Maybe more exotic, but I doubt it. We should be OK, I think.”

“We’re a little slow right now, offensively, that’s for sure. We’re definitely trying to get something going because we have no offensive coordinator. I’m not sure what direction they’re trying to go. I’m waiting to see.”

– Pro Bowl wide receiver Josh Gordon said on Friday, as per several media sources including The Plain Dealer and ESPN Cleveland. The Browns star was busy during Super Bowl week media madness. He was everywhere on Friday, from ESPN’s FirstTake to NFL Network to additional other interviews with the media.

The 22-year-old’s comments on Turner were perhaps the most intriguing of the day. He said Turner “definitely was upset” by the moves. Gordon said last year’s coaching arrangement was “an all-star staff” and that Rob Chudzinski’s tenure “really wasn’t a fair opportunity, I think. But business is business.”

Now, Turner has landed as the Minnesota Vikings offensive coordinator. The Browns have officially hired Dowell Loggains as their QB coach or possibly offensive coordinator, depending on the possible hiring of Kyle Shanahan.

Other noteworthy Gordon quotes from his varied media appearances:

On the QB draft prospects: “I think I would be all right with anybody we get. We got some great guys right now that we are going to have returning, but the young guys, Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, those guys are great actually. I’m a fan of Derek Carr down at Fresno State. There is a bunch of talent out there, so anybody really.”

On Johnny Manziel: “For the media market and a city like Cleveland, which is real small, I think it would be huge to have him.”

On Brian Hoyer’s candidacy for starter: “Man, that’s above my head, but Brian’s a great guy, great quarterback.”

[Pro Bowl Highlights: Josh Gordon pulls in a touchdown, gets upended by TJ Ward]

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Scott Raab discusses the Browns hiring of Mike Pettine – WFNY Podcast – 2014-01-25

WFNY Podcast LogoWe don’t do a regular Monday morning podcast with Scott Raab anymore, but whenever there’s something that needs to be discussed, he’s there for us. With the Browns’ hiring of Mike Pettine and ending the lengthy coaching search, it was a good time to catch up.

We discussed the Browns’ search. We discussed Mike Pettine as a candidate. We discussed the challenges facing the Browns going forward and we even fit in a bit of Cavs talk with Chris Grant and Anthony Bennett.

Enjoy!

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Norv Turner likely to jump to Minnesota

Norv Turner Press ConferenceBrowns offensive coordinator Norv Turner is close to a deal to take the same job with the Minnesota Vikings.

ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported the news earlier on Thursday morning. The connection had been rumored yesterday when Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer took the job in Minnesota, leaving the Browns as the final vacancy in the NFL.

Turner, 61, only spent one season in Cleveland after six years as the head coach in San Diego. The Browns offense finished the season No. 27 in scoring (19.3 per game) but No. 18 in yards per game (338.9). They were the second-most pass-happiest team in the league, throwing on 67.7% of offensive plays.

Overall, I don’t think that Turner had a bad season with the team. For goodness sake, he was working with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell at quarterback for the bulk of the season. He had a sub-par assortment of runners. New defensive coordinator Ray Horton, who also had interviewed in Minnesota, was perhaps the bigger disappointment.

The long-time NFL veteran Turner was well-respected by players, according to the usual reports. It’s kind of a bummer that he’s leaving so easily. Now, it’ll be fascinating to see where the Browns eventually head not only in terms of a head coach, but also for their future offensive coordinator.

[Related: The Cleveland Browns have changed me]

Steelers Depot helps break down the Browns and their coaching search – WFNY Podcast – 2014-01-15

WFNY Podcast LogoDave Bryan from Steelers Depot (@SteelersDepot) is one of the best podcast guests we have. He’s super knowledgable, and is always great at breaking down what’s happening without the rose-colored glasses.

  • Dave Bryan and not being a homer for the Steelers
  • Is there ever a justification for firing a coach after one year?
  • Brian Hoyer and whether he can get the Browns to the next franchise QB
  • The perception of the Browns head coaching job
  • Adam Gase and why is he such an attractive candidate?
  • Josh McDaniels and his taking his name out
  • Jim Caldwell and Whisenhunt
  • Jake Locker and what can become of it
  • Chris Johnson and his poison contract
  • Ray Horton ending up with Whisenhunt in Tennessee
  • Ray Horton’s defense and Dick LeBeau’s defense
  • Chud talking to other potential coaching candidates
  • The hiring of Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh
  • T.J. Ward and Alex Mack better be brought back
  • Alex Mack and how the Browns need to bring him back
  • Moving Schwartz to guard and getting a new right tackle
  • The All-22 version of the national championship game
  • Football attendance at games
  • Making NFL stadiums smaller over time
  • Browns fan experience in the stadium is far better
  • The government attacking TV blackout policies
  • Dave would be shocked if the Browns didn’t bring back Ward and Mack
  • Did the Browns waste a year of not front-loading deals?
  • The Browns can only franchise one player between Ward and Mack
  • The Steelers and the Shamarko Thomas deal with Cleveland
  • Johnny Football and whether the Steelers would be concerned about him
  • Johnny Manziel is a guy that you root against
  • Manziel as a boom or bust guy
  • Could Brian Hoyer be that bridge to the QB of the future?
  • The Ben Roethlisberger extension

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Mike Zimmer joins Minnesota; Browns left as only opening

zimmerThe Minnesota Vikings have hired Mike Zimmer as their new head coach, leaving the Cleveland Browns as the only head coaching vacancy in the NFL.

Zimmer, 57, is the six-year Cincinnati Bengals defensive coordinator. He also spent seven years as the coordinator in Dallas and one in Atlanta. He previously has 15 years of college coaching experience on his resume.

ESPN’s Chris Mortensen first reported shortly after 10:30 a.m. Wednesday that the two sides were nearing a deal, as had been expected over the past few weeks. Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton was once interviewed, but was not seen as a finalist.

The hiring is being viewed favorably, as Zimmer is a very experienced candidate who had been passed over in several previous searches. Just after the hiring was making the rounds on Twitter, ESPN’s Adam Schefter added this nugget of information:

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/423484599990095873

That would just add a bit more to the angst of Browns fans, even with owner Jimmy Haslam’s letter that he sent out earlier on Wednesday. Turner, 61, only has spent one season with the Browns after coaching San Diego for six years.

On Tuesday, Todd Bowles reportedly removed his name from the Browns search and Ben McAdoo joined the Giants as their offensive coordinator. That leaves Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn and former Tennessee head coach Mike Munchak as the only two available interviewed candidates remaining.

The Browns appear to have their eyes set on young Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase. But since he’s declined to do interviews until his season ends, we could be in for a few more weeks of waiting. But now that every other job is filled, there likely will be much less news to share.

[Related: Which is more important for the Browns, the right coach or quarterback?]

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Patriots’ Josh McDaniels reportedly withdraws from Browns consideration

is this the last time I get to use this graphic?

Is this the last time I get to use this graphic?

I’ve assumed since the Browns fired Rob Chudzinski that Josh McDaniels was the favorite to be the next coach of the Cleveland Browns. Not to say that McDaniels is necessarily my preference, but his connections to Michael Lombardi seemed all the more indicative that he should be the favorite until I heard otherwise. Well, thanks to Adam Schefter of ESPN, I’ve now heard otherwise.

Peter King also had a quick reaction…

At least they had an “awesome” meeting though, right you guys?!

So, what does this mean? Does this mean that the Browns lost their number one candidate coming into the interview process? The Browns have never admitted missing out on Chip Kelly, so we’ll likely never know for sure. What this means is that the Browns will continue to scour ranks of coordinators and position coaches like Ben McAdoo of the Packers and potentially Adam Gase of the Denver Broncos.

Plenty of successful head coaches have been hired from those ranks, so it’s not necessarily a disaster, but you’ll have a tough time convincing me that one of the Browns’ presumed top options is now unavailable, having followed down the unavailability path of Gus Malzahn.

[Related: Marla Ridenour on the state of the Browns, plus the Luol Deng trade – WFNY Podcast – 2014-01-08]

Marla Ridenour on the state of the Browns, plus the Luol Deng trade – WFNY Podcast – 2014-01-08

WFNY Podcast LogoI was very happy that Marla Ridenour was willing to come on the podcast today. She’s always a great read, but her work has been particularly noteworthy in her coverage of the Browns since they decided to fire Rob Chudzinksi. She’s pulled no punches as she put Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi on notice. We discussed that for most of the podcast before also touching on the Cavaliers, their trade for Luol Deng and Ridenour’s belief that the Cavaliers will not send Anthony Bennett to the D-League.

You can follow Marla Ridenour on Twitter @MRidenourABJ.

Also, see some of her Browns coverage that I was referring to in the podcast.

Browns’ three-ring circus leaves Joe Banner, Mike Lombardi next in firing cannon

Also on the Luol Deng trade…

Young Cavs needed Deng trade for their battered psyches

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Davone Bess, Browns firing of Chud, Cavs’ future – WFNY Podcast – 2014-01-06

WFNY Podcast LogoFirst week in a long time without Scott Raab. First pinch hitter out of the gate was Andrew. We spent some time talking about the Browns and all their maneuvers along with how quiet it has generally been about Davone Bess.

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Scott’s post on Davone Bess is an interesting place to start.

- why is this topic going so under the radar? on the one hand we’ve heard that he has problems in his personal life, likely with his family. I understand the media not wanting to report that, but his pot pictures indicate some sort of meltdown.

- on the other hand, some of the reaction to Scott’s post seemed to indicate, “what’s the big deal? It’s pot and it’s basically legal now!” that’s something we talked about with chris perez earlier this year. Even if you don’t have an ethical dilemma about pot (and I don’t) that doesn’t mean that it isn’t some sort of self-destructive meltdown to have it shipped through the mail / post pics on instagram

- does the Bess thing just have everything to do with the fact that the Browns are such a mess otherwise?

- As for the Browns, obviously confidence is extremely shaken in the entire organization now, but does that preclude them from being right? Is it even possible in your mind that their story is just 100% true and they couldn’t work with Chud despite their reasons for hiring him in the first place?

- if Chud was hard headed about playing McGahee, Little, Lauvao and others as opposed to moving on, would you consider those decent enough reasons for firing a guy? If they were so far off from being on the same page, isn’t it the right move?

- Are you shocked that a first time head coach like Chud would seemingly be willing to push back on his superiors? Do you think it was guidance from Norv Turner – who reportedly blew up at Banner in his meeting – for standing his ground?

- Lastly, we’ll talk Cavs. What are the going to do with Bynum. I’m hoping it’s done before we record, honestly. Otherwise, we can talk about Grant and how hot his seat might be at this point.

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Scott Raab talks about Rob Chudzinski being fired and Andrew Bynum – WFNY Podcast – 2013-12-30

WFNY Podcast LogoScott Raab couldn’t be finished with the WFNY Podcast for 2013 after what happened over the weekend, so we decided to do one more in 2013. We touched on all of the obvious topics including…

  • Scott Raab talking about the Browns
  • Dumpster fire’s use in the mainstream
  • Joe Banner and the ego that goes with firing Chud
  • Jimmy Haslam’s role in the firing
  • The informational path from Mike Lombardi to the media
  • How should fans react to this today?
  • Was Rob Chudzinski the wrong guy for the job?
  • Rob Chudzinski’s own issues and how they impacted his own firing
  • Tony Grossi’s post about Chud refusing to cut Greg Little and Shawn Lauvao
  • Professional sports leagues are cartels, not pizza parlors
  • Scott: “We’re prisoners, not customers”
  • Is there anything Haslam and Banner could say for Scott?
  • Media should have an adversarial relationship with the front office
  • The Kyrie Irving situation is going to end the same way the LeBron one did
  • The Art Modell move continues to haunt coverage of the Browns
  • Andrew Bynum, the media and the Cavaliers’ future
  • Brian Windhorst continues to be one of the best Cavs beat reporters
  • The Kyrie Irving scenario and how it’s playing out [Read more...]

If Rob Chudzinski is fired, it’s just another Browns embarrassment

Screen Shot 2013-12-29 at 3.33.49 PMI could sit here and break down what happened in the Steelers game, but I have no interest in doing that. The only thing on my mind right now is what an embarrassment the Cleveland Browns organization continues to be with today’s “one-and-done” rumors involving Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski. Granted nothing has happened yet, but just the fact that this rumor has legs across multiple analysts – From Chris Mortenson to John Clayton – is embarrassing. It may be even more embarrassing than the Browns’ bad record, which at 4-12 says so very much, but we’ve seen bad won-loss records plenty of times. I really hoped that the embarrassing Berea chaos of things like Mangini / Kokinis and even Phil Savage’s power struggle were long gone. If Rob Chudzinski gets fired after one year, it’ll be tough to believe that organizational dysfunction doesn’t flow through the pipes of even a renovated Browns complex in Berea.

Rob Chudzinski is not coming off of a good rookie head coaching campaign, to be sure. No matter what happened to the Cleveland Browns from a personnel standpoint, the fact is that only winning four games is a miserable failure. The Browns weren’t even able to beat the Jacksonville Jaguars at home. The fact that the Browns couldn’t win after having their bye week is miserable, but even given all that, I find it shocking to think that the Browns are going to fire Rob Chudzinski and his staff after just one year coaching a roster that wasn’t exactly loaded up on both sides of the ball by the front office. Yet, those are the rumors that persist today. [Read more...]

Talking Browns with Mike Burgermeister (@jimkanicki) – WFNY Podcast – 2013-12-24

WFNY Podcast LogoThe very best Browns sports talk that money can buy, but you get it for free! I finally got Mike Burgermeister of JimKanicki.com back on the podcast to talk through the Browns’ miserable season. We talked about all the failings.

  • Cleveland Browns podcast with Mike Burgermeister (jimkanicki.com)
  • The Joe Banner press conferences
  • How do the Browns show accountability in a year where nobody needs to be fired
  • The cap rollover money that Tom Heckert left $12 million
  • How does the NFL cap rollover work?
  • Counting the Cleveland Browns’ holes
  • Does D’Qwell Jackson hold the team back?
  • Fixing the offensive line
  • Offensive guard and whether the Browns can fix it in a year
  • Not having scouts in the room
  • Barkevious Mingo and whether or not the Browns should have drafted him
  • How many games did the Browns think they could win?
  • Do you like the coaching staff?
  • Chud was their third choice
  • Did Banner turn off Chip Kelly?
  • How desperate are the Browns going into next year?
  • Could the Browns franchise either Alex Mack or T.J. Ward?
  • The Browns’ 3-4 and whether they like Ray Horton’s version of it
  • Colt McCoy is still better than Brandon Weeden

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Coordinators call out players for team’s shortcomings: Browns Notes

Norv Turner Press ConferenceAs the Browns are stuck on four wins, having lost three consecutive games in the fourth quarter, the team’s coordinators have decided to place a chunk of the onus on the 53 players who wear orange and brown on every Sunday afternoon. Speaking during their usual Thursday afternoon media session, both Ray Horton and Norv Turner pulled no punches when it came to where the breakdowns have occurred.

“I think as the games go on, there’s more pressure to perform well and to not repeat a pattern that has happened in the past,” Horton said of his defensive unit, one which recently allowed 21 points to the Chicago Bears. This repeated pattern Horton is speaking of comes in the way of the ever-popular late-game collapse. At home against the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Browns had a three point lead in the final minutes of the game only to give up a touchdown drive, the point-scoring play coming with 40 seconds remaining. With just over a minute remaining in New England, and the Browns having amassed a 12-point lead, Tom Brady and the Patriots rattled off two quick touchdowns. The Bears’ 21 points would come in the final 11 minutes of a game the Browns had been leading.

“It’s not acceptable at this point in the season,” said Horton. You have to do your job and you have to be accountable or at some point you move on.

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The media, the stadium and the front office – Cleveland Browns Survey Results Part 3

Here’s the final bit of survey data from our Browns fan survey. It’s really a catch-all of the remaining preferences. First up is the Media.

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How popular is the Browns coaching staff? – Cleveland Browns Survey Results Part 1

Yesterday, I decided to poll Browns fans on a variety of topics. After collecting 421 responses, the voting is closed. Here are the first part of the results.

First things first, the Browns are sitting at four wins and nobody has any idea who is going to play QB just yet. So how’s the opinion registering on the current year?

The Current Year

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Rollercoaster ride has Browns on the cusp

Gordon and Cameron

Why not them? Why not now?

Decades ago, former NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle badly sought out and used a word that has become part of our regular vernacular – parity. He wanted it for his league. He needed it. Now, the late, great former commissioner would be loving that the NFL has turned into exactly what he wanted it to be. Anyone who doesn’t believe this to be true only needs to look at the current AFC Wild Card standings.

The top six teams in each conference get in. Right now the sixth spot is being held by the 5-4 New York Jets. This is a team that got destroyed 49-9 in Cincinnati three weeks ago and has traded wins and losses each week this season. Chasing them are five teams one game back at 4-5 heading into last night: Miami, Tennessee, Baltimore, San Diego, and Cleveland. Oakland and Pittsburgh are 3-6 and right there as well.  That means 13 of the 16 AFC teams are within two games of a playoff spot. [Read more...]

Rick and Craig talk about the Browns headed into the bye week – WFNY Podcast – 2013-11-05

WFNY Podcast LogoRick and I talked about the Browns game from Sunday. We also talked a bit about the Browns heading into the bye week.

  • Is this one of the weirdest up and down Browns seasons in memory?
  • How did the Browns come to play the QBs they’ve played so far this year?
  • The nuance of talking about the running game issues without getting lost in the Trent Richardson debate
  • Willis McGahee and just how ineffective he’s been for the Browns
  • Davone Bess and how some people wanted to cut him just a week before
  • The reactionary nature of Browns fans
  • The hiring of Chud and comparing his handling of the Browns to Pat Shurmur
  • Norv Turner and his influence on the quarterback decisions
  • Ray Horton’s defense gaining traction


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Norv: Trade rumors could be negatively impacting Josh Gordon’s play

I would hope not, but I’m realistic to know that it does [impact play]. He’s a young guy. He’s not very experienced. He wasn’t the go-to guy as a young player, so this is all a new thing for him. I think when you add those things to it, it can affect him. Obviously, we’re doing our best to focus and let him understand that he’s our guy, and we want him to be as good as he can get.

— Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Norv Turner on Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon. On the season, Gordon has 27 receptions for 450 yards and two touchdowns, but is coming off of his worst game of the year large in part to the abysmal play of quarterback Brandon Weeden. With the NFL trade deadline less than one week away, it can be reasonably estimated that rumors will continue to swirl and media folks will continue to ask the player how he feels at every given opportunity. ESPN’s Adam Schefter recently reported that multiple teams have called Berea to inquire about Gordon’s availibility. Browns CEO Joe Banner has stated that the team has no intentions of trading their best play-maker, but has not closed the door on the possibility of a deal if the right opportunity presents itself.  “From what I’ve seen, I think he wants to be here,” said teammate Willis McGahee. “I’m hoping he wants to be here. When you hear you’re about to get traded, your spirits change a little bit. But the only thing I can tell him is that it’s a business and anybody is expendable. Just go out and do your job. Do what you do. Don’t let people see you all bent out of shape and things like that.”

[Related: Balancing the present and the future of the Cleveland Browns]

(Source: Akron Beacon-Journal)

WFNY Stats and Info: Browns first half vs. second half

The Browns and the Panthers are the only teams in the NFL to be leading at half time of every game this season. The Panthers had a bye week 4, leaving the Browns as the only team in the league to lead in all six weeks at the end of the first half.

In those first halves the Browns have outscored their opponents on average 13 to 7. The Browns average of 13 first half points ranks them 10th in the league, ahead of New England, Seattle, and Kansas City.

Contrary to their first half success, the Browns rank 26th in the league in first quarter points, scoring only an average of 2.8 points in the opening quarter. It’s the second period where the Browns offense gets clicking. In the second quarter the Browns offense ranks third in the league behind Detroit and Denver with 10.2 points per second quarter.

Despite the offense coming into rhythm in the second frame, it drastically slows down coming out of half time. The Browns are 31st in the league in second half points, and 24th in the league in points against in the second half.

This past week both coordinators Norv Turner and Ray Horton downplayed the need for halftime adjustments for the team to succeed.

“In the second half, we did not do a good job converting third downs, particularly early,” said offensive coordinator Norv Turner. “We had two three-and-outs in the third quarter and they were able to keep the ball a long time. So people want to talk about halftime adjustments, you go into the second half, and all those things. We had limited plays in the third quarter. It wasn’t about adjustments, to me, it was about converting third downs.”

Ray Horton also chimed in with his response to the Lions’ second half adjustment of isolating linebacker Craig Robinson one on one with Reggie Bush.

“I heard a story about Detroit said they made a great halftime adjustment,” Horton said. “I guarantee you the last thing I told our guys was ‘empty.’ They hadn’t run any, and they’d run it all year long. So we were ready for empty. They threw, I want to say, four empty passes, and one of them was basically successful. One play hurt us.”

The Browns face a Packer’s team on Sunday that gives up the second most points in the league in the second half at 16.6 per game. Additionally the Pack rank fifth in second half points scored, averaging 14.2 a game.

[Related: Browns' Cameron and Gordon on pace for record setting season]