MLB Trade Rumors: Cliff Lee Traded to Philadelphia (Official)
Written By: Scott | Category: Cleveland Indians | Comments: 130It all started with a tip from Enrico at The 700 Level, and appears to be finalized thanks to Jeff Blair who covers the Toronto Blue Jays.
Cy Young winner Cliff Lee has reportedly been dealt to the Philadelphia Phillies for RHP Carlos Carrasco, SS Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson.
Awaiting further confirmation.? Will update as we can.
(Update 11:34AM: Phillies beat writer Todd Zolecki reports that along with Carrasco, Donald and Marson were not in today’s lineup.)
(Update 11:57AM: FoxSports reports that they believe the centerpiece of a deal would involve RHP Jason Knapp – a top 10 prospect as well, but the Dodgers are also making a push for Lee)
(Update 12:10PM: Cliff Lee claims to still be an Indian on 950AM – Philly’s ESPN affiliate. We have re-titled our post until further confirmation.)
(Update 1:45PM: Reports are now adding Ben Francisco’s name to the mix with Lee. Deal on the table as of now is Lee and Francisco for Carrasco, Knapp, Marson and Donald. FoxSports claims that deal is now official pending medical reviews.)
Analysis of the players that will be sent to Cleveland will be coming later. Thank you all for hanging out with us during the “still pending” phase.
Author: Scott
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Lou Marson being a catcher has me thinking about Victor Martinez disappearing too.
That makes me sad.
This seems like a disappointing package. Carrasco ain’t exactly lighting up AAA this year.
Cliff Lee for 3 guys who.. um.. who are these guys? janitors?
Philllies get Lee without giving up either of their 2 best prospects. Genius!
Yes, even as a “Shapiro trade apologist” I don’t quite get this move.
Boo!
So some argued that Carrasco was the Phillies top pitching prospect before Drabek wowed everyone this season…he seems to have had a rough go of it in AAA this year, though his BB/SO ratio and K/9 ratio still seems to be solid. So…I guess he’s OK.
Marson and Donald, though…hmm. Marson seems like a nice enough player…a high average, high walks, low K, low power hitter who seems like he could be a decent cog in the lineup…but don’t we kinda already have a super-stud hitting catcher in AA?
Donald just seems like a future utility infielder to me, and he’s been *awful* at AAA this season (.236 with 1 HR in 208 ABs).
I’ll say it again…this seems like a disappointing haul.
Considering we traded the reigning Cy Young last year as a three month rental and got two MUCH better prospects, this is disappointing at best as it is currently being reported.
Mark Shapiro hates the Indians.
He’s set this team back at least a decade. It’s so damn sad.
I just am ashamed of how poorly he handled this trade and this team.
At least when Art Modell killed the team, they were only gone for three years. With Shapiro, it’ll be like 10.
Obviously this is nothing more than cutting pay role. Im disgusted that they are essentially giving up on next year. I don’t trust anyone in this organization. I give up.
This seems like a dud…
This trade seems forced by money more than anything else…and says to me that they don’t think they can contend even next year. So as much as I blame Shapiro for a seemingly cruddy deal, I blame the Dolans even more for what seems like he told Shapiro to just get whatever Philly offered.
Very sad. This trade doesn’t make me want to buy Tribe tix when I’m in town next year (or while I’m in town now for that matter).
I make myself sad, with my future-predicting abilities.
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=9330
Just think of the utility-level players we’ll be able to sign the next two off-seasons with the extra revenue sharing money!
/smart-arsed
We could have gotten so much more for the reigning CY Young winner! The only 2 people we need to get rid of is Eric Wedge and Mark Shapiro. If the get rid of Victor there is going to be a riot in cleveland. Why would you get rid of your Ace? YOur suppose to build a team around him. The Indians will suck for another 3 to 4 years!
Actually I know Jason Donald. Our fathers coached together, I babysat him and we were ballboys together when we were younger. He was the most productive and clutch hitter on the Olympic team. Yeah he struggled in AAA, but up until then his average rose with every level he went up.
This is actually the first year in his professional career that he’s struggled. He’s not quite the power guy, but he can get on base and he is a clutch hitter. Really good defensive player as well. Peralta may be on the way out too, he may be able to fetch a good price.
God I hate what MLB has become. No season tix for me ever again. I just can’t support this anymore.
This is is not the package I envisioned for Cliff Lee, but it does not look bad. Carrasco has not done well in AAA, but he was tremendous upside. He is projected to be in the top of the rotation. I look at it this way, did you think the deal sending Colon to Montreal was good at the time. Just give it time and see how they do. Realistically, I do not think any could expect Lee to re-sign with the Indians. He will want a huge contract, which Cleveland just can’t offer.
Jason Knapp, Trevor May, Jason Donald, and Carlos Carrasco is the final deal.
This is only a rumor based on the aformentioned players being scratched from a game today. It does not make any sense whatsoever, given that after Carrasco, we picked up a catcher, a position we are loaded in, and a no-power utility indfielder. Didn’t Shapiro say he wants pitching and more pitching? Hell, he got more for Mark frikin DeRosa. I think there must be more here than meets the eye or possibly a third team involved. WTFNY breaking news on rumors — I don’t buy it — just hype reporting.
AI
What the hell is this then with the updates? You can’t use that title unless you have a confirmed trade. You just have a [expletive deleted] rumor.
WFNY Edit This is why we can’t have nice things. Please DON’T CURSE IN THE COMMENTS.
Jason Knapp has the potential to be really, really good. The rest of the guys do suck, however. This is all still unconfirmed though.
-Phils fan
@agreed Michael…but its still sad because theres no way this team wins next year either…who’s your number 1 guy in the rotation? we dont have one…
this will mark the first year I have not (and will not) attend an Indians game…unless they call up the kids and let em play…then ill go watch…
So, does the FoxSports update indicate that it’s *NOT* done yet?
Michael Taylor was out of the lineup today as well, I know you have a logjam in the OF but he’s skilled enough to force his way in at RF in 2010.
And Donald’s been fighting a bad knee all year. FWIW.
dont buy it
yeah…the title of this post is a bit misleading. trade hasn’t gone down yet
this is not over
This isn’t completely the MLB’s fault? I’ve been on that bandwagon since ~2000, but have recently re-evaluated. This team will go nowhere under Dolan. Without a new owner (or drastically altered finances) nothing will change.
It’s MLBs fault that we can’t go sign big name free agents. I’m not excited about that. But it’s Dolan’s fault that we have retained 0% of the big name talent over the last 6+ years.
/off to register firelarrydolan.com
I am skeptical as to if this is final or if this is part of a bigger 3-4 team deal…
Has one team ever traded reigning Cy Young winners in July two years in a row? probably not… WFNY
Actually, Michael Taylor is in the line up today. Sadly, Matt LaPorta is still in the Columbus line up as well instead of heading on a plane to Anaheim.
I hope this is a bum rumor because this package of Phils sucks. Other than Marson, who won’t hit for much power, there isn’t a pitcher in this group having a decent year.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2009_07_29_colaaa_lhvaaa_1
@ adam – NOTHING IS OVA!
Do we have any real sources here? I love the site and read every article, but to be the first place I’ve seen anywhere saying this is a done deal based off of a few other blogs/twitter posts, I’m going to hold off accepting this as fact for a while.
We had received word on a potential trade and it is breaking news indeed that something is going down. Carrasco, Taylor, Donald and Marson all did not play today for Class AAA Lehigh Valley and our initial reports stated something was becoming official.
Lee will end up going somewhere very soon here, and it certainly looks like it will be Philadelphia.
Umm….before we completely lambast this trade…let us first see it become official (phillies also looking to make a trade for a baltimore reliever…some of guys could go to them)….
and yeah, I wanted Happ, Knapp or Mays with Carrasco, but we’ll see what it ends up as
and it’s not like these are bad prospects…haven’t seen these guys play much, but here’s what I could find…let us hope Baseball America is accurate with their rankings.
apparently, Shapiro subscribes to Baseball America because his moves seem to mirror their rankings….not sure if that is good or bad, but
Carrasco – #2 phillies prospect by Baseball America (#1 last year…Drabek #1 now) hard throwing pitcher who doesn’t walk many….ERA over 5 at AAA though and is only 6-9 because of it. Could very well end up a good middle rotation guy though if he keeps up the 112/38 K/BB ratio.
Jason Donald – #4 phillies prospect by Baseball America. extremely good arm, below average speed makes him a Jeter-like defender at SS. Very well could move to 3B. Had been tearing up every level of minor league ball offensively until he got to AAA this year where he has struggled. Good doubles-power.
Lou Marson – #3 Phillies prospect by Baseball America. played some with the Phillies this year and struggled at the plate…though that is where he will make his living. No real power, but good line drive hitter and hits for average. Defensively, he blocks the plate well and has an above average arm but apparently was switched to catcher his last year in college so has limited experience there that sometimes shows. D’Aunard in the system (lower level though) makes him expendable for Philly (many consider D’Aunard a better prospect).
Bonus note: Marson and Donald both started for Team USA.
Admittedly, the initial title was off-base – I do believe that a deal is done, just awaiting confimation, as mentioned within the original post. Apologies if it was misleading.
It is being reported by FOXSports, the deal is centered around Jason Knapp, with Carrasco, Marson and Donald being the other pieces. Not a bad hull in my mind. A lot of upside with these players. Not really sure why they ANOTHER catcher, when they have Martinez, Shoppach, Giminez, Toregas, Santana, etc…
As a Phillies fan, I’d honestly be surprised if the deal as reported above was the deal that finally happens. It’s obviously not done yet, but considering the packages Toronto is asking for in exchange for Halladay, I feel like the Indians a) are getting the clear short end of the stick, or b) the offers haven’t been rolling in like they might have expected.
If, on the other hand, this is close to the deal that actually happens, take some solace – at least you’re not trading Lee to the White Sox like it sounds like Toronto is ready to move Halladay to Boston. Would be the clear front-runner for Stupid Move of the Decade.
@ 18: Excellent point. I can still remember Paul Hoynes writing of the Colon trade: “Bartolo was given away for a bunch of players you’ve never heard of.”
What a tool. Could he have done a little research before making such a statement?
I’ll take a wait-and-see attitude with this one.
Knapp’s profile has just skyrocketed recently. He was a second-round pick out of a New Jersey high school in 2008 and is still incredibly young (August 31, 1990).
Went 3-1 with a 2.61 ERA in seven games (six starts) for the GCL affiliate of the Phillies last season after signing. This season with Lakewood he is having an unfortunate year (just like T.J. House with Lake County) as he is 2-7 with a decent 4.01 ERA in 17 starts.
He would probably finish the year with Lake County and begin next season with Kinston before probably finishing with Akron in 2010 at the ripe young age of 20.
If Knapp is part of the deal, I think I’d be more OK with this trade.
Stanley Hudson at desk, quietly speaking on phone to wife: “Go ahead and buy that wallpaper you wanted. Looks like I still have a job. Yes, that’s what I said. We just traded Lee and saved about $14 million. No, we won’t be paying any replacement. Go ahead and buy it.”
I wish I had known about these “rumors” an hour and a half ago. I saw Shapiro at the Colonial Marketplace while I was having lunch. I could have asked him if it was just a rumor or not.
@21 lol “This is why we can’t have nice things” good edit wfny
Does it really matter WHO they get long term if they develop them and then trade or lose them to NY coin?
I’m so upset. I remember all those years where I wished the Indians had a dominate pitcher–let alone 2 Cy Young winners–and now to see them both shuffled off . The Indians are a sad joke to me now and it really hurts.
I don’t know much about the players listed in a potential deal but I think its fair to say that any reasonable trade for Cliff isn’t going to get us a #1 starter for next year.
It’s depressing to think about what the rotation will look like next season. Which begs the question, is there any point to pay attention for the next year and a half?
per foxsports –
Sources: Phils reach agreement on Lee — Updated 1:34 p.m.
The Phillies have reached agreement with the Indians on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.
[WFNY edit: insert word here] YOU, SHAPIRO AND DOLAN.
See what you made me do, I talked in all-caps like an internet-ranting moron.
[WFNY note: they also made you curse, like an internet-ranting moron. This is not allowed here. Please see "Before you Comment"]
this organization SUCKS
ESPN basically just confirmed the trade of Lee and Francisco for four prospects.
he gawn
This seriously makes me want to vomit.
Yea this sucks. I mean it may turn out ok…but we have given up the reigning Cy Young winner two years in a row. Sometimes it really sucks being a Cleveland sports fan.
Go Browns!
done deal.
PD says 2 of the guys were/are hurt and we got yet another minor league catcher.
not exactly the haul of prospects.
a funny article that coincides with today’s Tribe agenda:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry&page=starting9/090729
In all fairness, Marte did go 2-3 with a walk last night.
So we can expect the next post from Bobby D will be regarding the drop in ticket prices?
I guess now the question is “if the tribe wins another game this year, and there are no fans there to see it, did it happen?”
Well now they can start LaPorta
@29
How bout we go after Mark Cuban
getting 4 of Philidelphia’s top 10 isnt *too* shabby…
if we hit on one of them, and get a decent one out of the other 3, thatll be a good deal since Lee wasnt going to sign here anyways…
waiting for next year….yet again…
why does your finalized version at the top not include Knapp????
Baseball is broken. I don’t know how long its gonna take to fix it but there were encouraging signs after the yankees got every free agent this past year. I finally heard from other teams about gettig a salary cap. A team can’t compete if they have to keep trading awat their stars cuz they won’t be able to sign them.
Small consolation to you guys, but there’s been a lot of good buzz on Knapp among Phillies fans. The fact that he’s only 18 probably puts a few years between him and the Tribe, but he’s got all the tools to be the real deal.
Jason Donald is hitting .236 with 1 HR in 200+ ABs.
Marson has 1 HR in 200+ ABs.
Carrasco is 6-9 with a 5.18 ERA.
Knapp is in A, but has potential.
THIS is the “major-league ready,” high-potential group of prospects Shapiro jumped at?!?!
Oh, and should I have added that Jason Knapp is 2-7 in A ball?
When the hell will Wedge be dumped?!!?! They’re getting rid of everyone else…..for what? So Wedgie can ruin this new crop of kids??
I’m sure we’ll find a spot for this new catcher at 1B or OF.
FIRE WEDGE
Wow, people are more angry about this then the CC trade
Is it OK that I’m *more* excited about this deal now that it includes Francisco too?
Hopefully this clears the way for more LaPorta.
And, in the interest of hope springing eternal, here’s a quote from Baseball Prospectus’ on Knapp (which comes from their preseason prospect rankings):
“Knapp is a pure power pitcher with as much ceiling as anyone in the system. His fastball sits in the low to mid-90s, touching 96-97 mph consistently, and his big strong frame alludes to significant promise.”
uh … you need to change the site name to ‘Waiting for NO year! …
anyone complaining about the Indians selling off back-2-back Cy Young winners…..
GO TO THE GAMES….BUY THE MERCHANDISE!!!!!!
you are just as at fault as Dolan if you don’t attend games or buy gear….
Couldn’t even get their #1 prospect for a Cy Young winner. Dolan never had the money to own the team, now he doesn’t have the common sense either. Get used to 1,500 people in the stands boys…it’s the 1980s all over again.
What did I try and tell everyone for days?
For those who kept insisting this wouldn’t happen…………Shapetti.
If the team sucks, why should we pay money to go to games? They have been in last place all season, why do you expect people to go see a last place team? That’s a weak argument, especially considering the economy we are in right now
Spectacular, right Jacob?
Can you spell SALARY DUMP?
Shapetti and Dolan = XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Go ahead, keep putting your money into their gullets.
I like to comment multiple times
Me too. It gets my point across.
Read em and weep Denny…….sorry if it hurts.
And Eli……..the Shapiro apologist and overall spectacular Shapetti supporter.
Calm down Randy…
When one comment would suffice.
I know. I’ve constantly posted apologies for Mark Shapiro and used an unfunny nickname for him. Oh wait, I haven’t. On non-Cavs related posts, I pretty much just post completely irreverant nonsense that has almost nothing to do with the topic of the post itself.
Your welcome for the attention though.
The Cavs blew the lid off of the economy issue. They sold out the last 36 games of the year, and may sell out this entire season.
If you build it, they will come.
I’ll be there Friday afternoon before the game (would not buy a ticket in a million years) walking around The Jake with a bag on my head. Cannot wait.
Mgbode, you are a MORON! Indians suck! From the most pathetic organizations in all of professional sports. An embarrassment. I wish they would move so they could embarrass another city.
I live in Philly, and I root ardently for both the Indians and Phillies.
I like this deal for both clubs. The only piece I don’t understand is Lou Marson.
Donald – He will likely be a solid middle infielder. Jamey Carroll just isn’t going to cut it. Will he ever hit 30 homers and bat .350? No, but adding solid pieces isn’t a bad idea.
Marson – A good singles and doubles hitter at catcher, but they have Santana, so I don’t really get why they did this. Maybe they can flip him for something else.
Carrasco – Kind of a headcase, but maybe a change of scenery will be good for him. Can be a solid third starter down the road.
Knapp – The key to the deal. Whether you like it or not, the Indians were NOT going to contend next year. They just weren’t. Look at the bullpen. Look at the starting pitching. It wasn’t going to happen.
This guy is 19 and struck out 111 in 85 innings in Single-A. Disregard the ERA and the win-loss record, as those don’t really matter much at this level. The guy has the stuff. Hopefully he is the future No. 1 this team needs.
The bottom line is that the Indians need a couple years to get back to playoff-caliber, and Shapiro has a good plan to do it. Get rid of Wedge and start over.
Since I root for the Phillies, too, though, I will love watching Lee pitch here, and hopefully he can bring them another World Series. He is the kind of guy that deserves it.
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Just a reminder. Keep your attacks aimed at the Tribe front office and try not to attack each other. Arguing is one thing, but name calling is pretty juvenile.
Oh boy, another 5-year plan.
This is just sad. How long do we have to put up with Wedge and Shapiro. I thought it was just Wedge who never learns from his mistakes. After seeing some of the decisions made in AAA – pulling out a pitcher after six innings who has a no hitter going – I’m thinking it is organization policy to make goofy decisions. Wedges epitaph should read “Don’t pitch to Manny”
Wow…can a whole team be known as Mr. Irrelevant? Complain about broken economics if you want, but this organization has no imagination. I’ve already read a few comments comparing the Tribe to the moribund, money-dumping Pirates. I really hope that’s not the case…if so Dolan needs to sell the team to a young Gilbert-like hotshot w/ a huge ego and pockets to match. This is just sad…the Tribe’s now the third horse in this town. Nobody’s gonna go to games, which means Dolan won’t have the money to spend in the future. That’s an ass backwards way to run a business.
No much negativity. Remember: if we hit on just 5 or 6 of all of these promising prospects, and if those guys all agree to take moderate money in multi-year extensions and waive arbitration, and the planets all correctly align one year, we will compete again for a season. Until free agency looms.
Will one of you please patent the cure for the common cold and buy this team?
YES ELI HAS RETURNED TO USEING SPELLING ERRORS!
imagine if the Browns had gone to the Superbowl twice in the last 14 years….and the AFC championship another handful of times….
along with the most recent time being just a mere 2 years ago.
do you think we would have people calling them the most pathetic organization in professional sports?
shapiro has done a horrendous job drafting….he has done a horrendous job scouting relievers (FA and trades)
however, this trade netted 4/10 top PHillies prospects (baseball america)….
if we kept Cliff Lee…we would have gotten 2 1st rounders (at most)…do you trust Shapiro to make those picks? you can say he will be gone, but he might not be.
amazing the negativity and vitrol in this thread…..this is MLB ecomomics…the rich rob from the poor and the poor have to hope they can scrap together enough young talent to win a WS before they get too expensive. it’s just how it is, unfortunately.
I am so pissed off I bought two beers at a game earlier this season. I contributed to this P.O.S. organization.
PLEASE do not buy tickets to see this product. I cannot wait to see some of the crowds for weekday games in September.
They are beyond garbage right now.
We’re worse than the Pirates and the Royals.
Is Mark Shapiro on drugs? Seriously.
Why not wait until next year??? They could have gotten the same pile of crap.
You are highly delusional if you think any of these “prospects” are going to amount to anything.
How many new season tickets will the Indians sell in 2010? 12? 9? 7?
It is what I was born to do.
This post is also a personal attack against Craig. Who, in real life, is actually Craig Kilborn. Good on ESPN, bad on The Daily Show.
@ #72 – that’s garbage. In 2007, they had all that extra playoff revenue, and look at the team from 2008! It’s not the fans’ fault that the GM, manager and owner are colluding to fail.
Needs more Lou Brown!
after all is said and done…if the indians started winning tomorrow, and continued to win into next year, people wouldnt complain about trades…winning is paramount, losing breeds anger…who likes to lose? winning puts fans in the seats, losing keeps them away…winning with prospects is how this team needs to play to win…youre not going to see anymore guys that will play their entire career here…just not gonna happen…
@85 – “the Cavs blew the lid off the economy issue” because the Cavs have one of (if not THE) most visible star in the game and an international marketing force. To claim that’s anywhere near comparable to the Tribe in terms of economics, or even how the two games are even marketed is an extreme joke.
Mark Shapiro is not on drugs.
so, um, what’s gonna be the new name of benchbenfrancisco.com?
mgbode – Why would anyone go to games or buy the merchandise? Who’s jersey should I buy that I won’t have to replace at the next trade deadline? Why go to a game when the front office has already given up on this season, AND the next season?
Until Dolan leaves (which probably wont happen for a long time, and even after he does he says that he’s giving the team to his kids) we won’t stand a chance.
Eli v. Craig dance-off. Go!
Uh-tis uh-tis uh-tis uh-tis uh-tis
/dance music fail
Who cares?
I will say one thing that is relevant. I would feel alot better about this move if the organization as a whole had proven consistent in its development of players over the years. We certainly have had grand successes such as CC and Sizemore, Martinez, etc., but many of our draftee’s and prospects have been mismanaged badly, especialy over the last few seasons. Even if we got something worthwile out of this trade (which is certainly a topic for debate), there is the very real potential for the goofballs running this ship to ruin these guys.
i dont see how an organization with a manager who favors veterans can succeed if all he has to work with is prospects and old mediocre players…that doesnt seem like a recipe for success…
@106 – you’re right…why aren’t we fighting for a playoff berth still…why is Shapiro throwing in the towel on this season when we could pull off a Rockies like miracle winning 21/22 games.
I go to some games because it’s nice to go to the ballpark and enjoy a game…see the young kids that Shapiro is now forcing Wedge to play (what other option does he have?). I go to games because I’m a fan of the Tribe and always will be. I go because we are a small market team and it’s needed.
but, I’ll see the rest of you back next year or the year after when we are competing for a playoff spot (we are in the AL Cental afterall). and I’ll just nod and smile when EVERYONE says that they were a true fan who still rooted for the team in the bad times.
@103: who is the big marketable star of the Milwaukee Brewers? What about the Tigers – what superstar gives them their ability to afford that huge payroll? OK, the baseball system is more difficult for owners of mid-market teams who aren’t mega-rich. There’s no success for the “family-run business” model like in the NFL. But if we had an owner with serious juice we would be competing, like Milwakee and Detroit.
Needs more:
From: Shapiro, Mark
Subject: Re: Indians
To: xxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, July 29th, 2009, 2:17 PM
Go root for the Yankees -f#@* you-
@#111
Ding ding ding!
i kinda like “waiting for 5 years from now”
who’s not rooting for them? i want them to win as much as anyone else…
because I cant afford to dish out 100 bucks to watch a mediocre team managed by a guy who played David Delucci over top prospects, that means im not a fan?
am i not allowed to complain and whine about the team’s makeup, when clearly, everyone in the league sees the same problems i do? that makes me not a fan?
because you are sitting in the seat at the game because you choose to spend your money in that fashion doesnt make you any more a fan than anyone else…ive been to spring training with the Tribe numerous times, I’ve gone to their minor league games (all but kinston), and I support the team by buying merchandise, but to say youre a “true” fan because you sit in a seat is pretty off-base…pun intended…
All I know is, it sure is great having RandyOSU back–even if it required a name change. Needs more compound names!!
/sarcasm
@115 –
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If the Indians are simply unable to build a winning franchise around 2 Cy Young winners and players like V. Martinez and Sizemore–what hope is there REALLY for this organization?
@105: eliminateericwedge.com? showshoppachthedoor.com?
@117….I’ve seen fans saying they are swearing off the Tribe…not going to games they would normally go to, not buying merchandise, not watching games at home.
posts directed there.
Living outside of Northeast Ohio, I’m really glad I paid $160 two years in a row for MLB Extra Innings so I could watch this crap.
@105/122: junkjhonnyperalta.com?
@ DJ – It’d have to be jhunkjhonnyperalta.com
what a joke the tribe turned into.a owner with no $ a G.M thats a joke every trade 4 the last 5 years stunk! so please mra. doaln just sell the tem.
This is horrible! Cleveland Fans……….what a smack in the face!
@126: i concur
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