Mangini: I Never Thought About Going To Brady
Written By: Rick | Category: Cleveland Browns | Comments: 65
Found this gem in Steve King’s article at the OBR:
Browns head coach Eric Mangini said after Sunday’s game that he never thought about making a switch back to Brady Quinn, who started the first three games at quarterback, having a 62.9 rating, before being lifted in favor of Anderson.
“He’s our starter, and I felt very comfortable in the things he was doing,” Mangini said of Anderson.
Wow. So if you are Brady Quinn, what should take from that statement? How about “No matter how bad Anderson is I’m never seeing the field.” That’s what it would tell me. If I was yanked after only 2.5 games and had better overall numbers than the guy starting, I’d be looking to move too.
Don’t look at this from a Quinn camp vs Anderson camp perspective. It just doesn’t make good sense. Mangini insisted that the QB position was going to be a competition from the day he arrived. He even announced before the Bengals game that Brady “would be on a short leash.” How is the leash for Anderson somehow ten times longer than the one attached to Quinn’s neck?
I don’t believe for a second that the thought of putting Quinn in didn’t cross his mind. It would be hard to ignore the chants for one thing! The thought probably went something like “Man the offense isn’t moving the ball at all, maybe I should make the switch to Brady…no then everyone will think I can’t make a decision and stick with it. I’ll show them.” Maybe that’s why Jim Zorn has an approval rating 11 percentage points higher than yours. Jim “fired at the end of this season” Zorn.
Is this not a slap in the face of intelligent football fans in Cleveland? Does Mangini think that we can’t tell how horrible Derek Anderson has played? How exactly does Anderson “give us the best chance to win” when he turns the ball over twice as much as Brady? Is this really all about saving some money? I’m completely disgusted. Tuesday cannot come soon enough.
Author: Rick
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New nicknames for No. 3:
Blunderson
DOA
Amen. Hallelujah.
I heard this on 1100 this morning on my way to the office and I almost got into a wreck on I-480. What, pray tell, was Man-genius thinking about during the game, then?!?
It’s no biggie to locate problems on this epically awful team. So I have challenged myself to find something legitimately positive about what I saw yesterday. I invite any others who wish to join this exercise. Here’s what I have:
Derek Anderson is about the most skilled QB I have ever watched at recovering his own fumbles. It’s not just the long body, the good reach. Sure, the single-minded focus on one target and his ferocious determination to reach it at all costs may sometimes prove detrimental while passing the football but actually helps when crawling after it, ignoring the other players, the screams, the bodies flashing in front of him, the flying clumps of sod and other potential distractions. Just a little something to build on maybe. I like what I see.
Serious question, but a little off topic… with so many draft picks coming up next season, what are Mangini’s and Kokinis’s draft records?
@4
Harv, excellent point! That’s the spirit. Also, Anderson looks way better than Brett Favre when chasing down an interception runback.
In that light, the Browns did an excellent job at giving Ryan Grant back his confidence.
Well said. This is by far the most frustrated I’ve ever been with a Cleveland team/coach.
“… and I felt very comfortable in the things he was doing.” If that’s honestly the way he feels he shouldn’t be anywhere near a headset and a sideline. Quinn’s not the answer, fine. Why not Ratliff? (He’s not any sort of answer either but you have to show some amount of credibility and consistency and intelligence.) Never say never, but can this guy ever be taken seriously by this city? He’s digging himself in deeper and deeper with these asinine decisions and comments.
@ #5. The Jets didn’t draft one real impact player in Mangini’s time in New York. http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3430&type=team
Bottom line with Brady is money. If you know neither guy is the answer, are you going to play the one with a contract full of incentives based on playing time?
Look on the bright side: the Fighting Jamarcuses are actually somehow even worse at passing the ball, scoring, and putting yards on offense than we are! And St. Louis puts up fewer total points than we do, too! And we’re only, erm, last in total defense…but Buffalo gives up more rushing yards than we do! And, amazingly, there are FIVE teams in the NFL who give up more points per game than we do.
In the spirit of #4, the grounds crew looked like they did a pretty good job with the field before the game. St. Clair is a stud at avoiding injury from any large, frightening defensive players. He should be healthy for the foreseeable future.
I concur Alex, St. Clair is fantastic at avoiding contact. Perhaps he should be a RB?
@9, I’m going to have to call you out for saying something entirely false.
Darrelle Revis is having an impact this year. Dustin Keller was decent and made an impact last year. Nick Mangold is without doubt a complete success. Leon Washington is an impact player.
@4/@7 — hilarious! i’ll play!
* mangini’s purposeful scowl is more ‘determined’ than landry, parcells, noll, belichick.
* this TE gates is a sleeper for sure… and didn’t cost us a 4th round + a 3rd round pick like rucker.
* the commitment to the 3-4 is laudable because our LB corps was a strength before the season and even moreso now without DQ.
[damn, couldn't get past three bullets without sarcasm...]
@9
Impact player = Darrelle Revis! And I didn’t even have to look at your link to come up with that.
Congrats, you just lost any benefit of the doubt that I was possibly going to give to your comment.
@9…..D’Brickishaw, Mangold, and Leon Washington….pretty good draft. Also, darelle revis is considered one of the better CBs in the league, i think? 2008 was not a real great year, though…… I’m as upset with Mangini as anyone, but i dont think that you can say that his drafts have been that bad
whoops….yeah, what #12 and #14 said!
Serious question. Does anyone know how involved Mangini was with the drafts in NY?
mangini sucks.
@ Mark P: [CAPS] Serious answer – when they were good, he was not. When they were piss-poor, he was. [/CAPS]
Just wanted to pre-emptively get that out there. Honestly, I don’t know. He’s taken heat for missing in Gholston. He gets almost zero praise for D’Brick and Mangold. So who knows? It was in New York. They have nice media there.
I just don’t understand…i look at DA’s stats and i just don’t get it. i stare at my computer and scream “WHYYYYYYYY” like Nancy Kerrigan…
Why is he still in there?
why was Quinn on a short leash?
is it really the money?
What about Ratliff?
What about Joe Thomas? put him Behind Center….
Understand what’s going on-this is an insidious personal agenda by Eric Mangini. He’s willing to put his personal ego in front of what’s best for the team-which is providing BQ with an opportunity to play. It’s a dirty, ugly agenda-why do you even bother to support this man? (I won’t use the word coach).
Wake up, see the obvious. This has nothing to do with money or whether BQ can play or not, it has all to do with Mangini. Perhaps BQ dared to question the great Daboll/Mangini offensive (yea-offensive to be sure) system and was banished. Wake up people, if you don’t demand answers then don’t complain two years from now aka when the same facts were on the wall regarding Phil Savage.
Alex Mack is great at getting loft on his shotgun snaps (by the time those things get to the QB, the defense is already in the backfield)
I say we just put Cribbs in at QB with Pontbriand as starting center. If he can snap it far enough back it’ll be like a punt return.
Normally, I think Isis is insane – but I do think Mangini has something against BQ personally.
Reading the usual Isis drivel, I was actually really surprised that he didn’t say “Wake up sheeple.”
It certainly could be a personal agenda. It could also be money, or any of the other things everyone brings up. Assuming it’s a particular thing when you have no supporting information whatsoever of any kind, then issuing dire predictions when other people don’t believe your baseless opinion, is why most people think conspiracy theorists are nutjobs.
#21 What is this “dirty, ugly, insidious agenda” you speak of? Do you have some sort of evidence that would suggest Eric Mangini has a vendetta against Brady Quinn or is it all conjecture?
@25 and 26: B/c there is no other rational explanation. That DA is still playing makes no sense to Al Davis.
Does it matter? They both stink. One just stinks a little less worse than the other stinks.
Today’s Akron Beacon Journal on Mangini:
http://www.ohio.com/sports/65964347.html
To BrianRut4 @#4-open your eyes and for once, come up with your own logical thoughts. Or, are you really that stupid?? It’s not hard…..observe what’s going on and come up with your own explanation. Pan me if you want…….just wait until things are flushed out. Again, are you really that stupid?
DA plays so the Browns won’t be wasting 11 million on someone who is not the QB for the forseeable future.
I vote more Wildcat.
Zastudil for MVP!!!
Tony Grossi’s Brown’s Podcast:
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/10/tony_grossi_breaks_down_browns_4.html
Give it a listen. BrianRut4-you may learn a thing or two, remember-brain power, use it.
@23:
Hilarious.
Wow, is this team bad.
‘Come up with your own explanation’ – by linking to the ABJ?
#39 Hey internet tough guy, i simply asked you a question. Using your quote, i asked if you had any facts to back your proclamation. Never once did i personally attack you. Never once did i even ridicule you. Ease up son.
And you still didnt answer my question.
Im guessing daddy wouldnt play catch with little Isis when he was a child and he is projecting his anger towards Eric Mangini.
@9 and @4 and any other Mangini Draft commenters: He does OK in the top 20, sure. But he hates those picks and gave ours away last year. The problem is that his stockpile is in the later rounds where he sucks. Many of those individuals are not in the league and most that are play for other teams.
This draft coming up half of our picks are round 5 and later where evaluating talent is crucial. And he can NOT evaluate talent clearly.
I am betting that we see Anderson again next week, but we’ll see Quinn after the bye week. I think Mangini already knows that is his plan as well.
Remember – brain power, us it… and you may discover you have telekinesis!
@ #35 – This happens about once a week. You’re fairly new around here, so this is my advice: Isis is quite staunch in his(or her) positions and this is the typical method by which they operate. No need to make claim about said person’s past or call names. Hard as it may be (I blew it a bit yesterday) let’s try to keep things civil.
Man is civility fun. Isis, your “source” didn’t have a single shred of evidence or, well, anything that supported your stance of a dirty, insidious agenda. The article you link to in ABJ says, basically, “Mangini’s a bad coach.” That doesn’t help your dirty, insidious agenda of showing that Mangini has a hidden, insidious agenda. I vote to keep it civil and based on actual evidence, not made-up evidence.
Any chance that Mangini is driving the expectations so low on Quinn that when he inevitably returns to the lineup it will be without any pressure? I’m not at all convinced that’s what is going on, but I think it’s possible.
I’d really like to say Brady get a shot during the latter part of the year when the schedule gets considerably softer.
At halftime yesterday Jimmy Johnson made a comment that the Browns’ biggest problem is every time they play, the trade value of their QBs decreases due to their pathetic play. I’m guessing that’s why the Browns won’t play Quinn. Has everyone forgotten how awful Quinn was this year, too? If the Browns play him, he will play himself out of any trade value. By not playing him, the Browns can hope there’s still enough intrigue for some other team to give up at least something for him.
Lol @ Denny hassling BrianRut4 about civility. Take a look at posts #26 and #29 and evaluate who is really uncivil. Or does Isis get a pass now because he’s so consistently abusive? Getting tired a wading through the increasing percentage of personal attacks in the comments on this site, and it’s a shame to see a site admin encouraging it.
As to the subject: I’m fine if the decision is about money. At some point, though, you get upset because it seems they are being dishonest to the fan base.
If BQ was named the starter today, and played the rest of the season, he would end up playing 11.5 of 16 games, which is roughly 71% of the season. As such, the contract incentive to keep him on the bench is STILL very much alive (if he plays more than 70% of the season he gets $11 mill).
Given that, I would not be surprised if BQ sits another week, and then is re-named the started after the bye week. At that point in time, Mangini can give him 8 full games to prove himself without sinking $11 mill on him.
If, on the other hand, Mangini continues to stick with DA through the bye week, then I think it will be clear that BQ’s days as a Brown are over.
@44….great point, i was wondering what the deal was with the financial obligations. Having said that…..what if Brady does in fact start after the bye week for the rest of the season and performs “ok”…..why would he want to come back to a team that just hosed him out of $11 mln? i have to believe he asks for a trade no matter what. Whether or not he gets one……
@44
In other words, Mangini is tanking games to save money? That would be worse than Pete Rose betting on the Reds. He should be banned for life for that.
@#46
No. That would not be worse than Rose betting on the Reds. I like the hyperbole, but you’re wrong.
When Shapiro traded Colon for Sizemore, Lee, and Philips, he was saving money. That was not equivalent to betting for (or against) one’s team. If you prove that Mangini is betting on the Browns to lose, then you’ll have something.
Until then, you just have a Mancrush on a boy from Dublin.
@47,
Sorry, Jon, but your analogy needs work.
It would be hard to prove in court that Mangini is tanking games, so he’ll get away with it. I generally hate conspiracy theories, but what else can this be? Derek F. Anderson????? Come on.
As much as I generally don’t like Mangini’s attitude at times, I really wouldn’t fault him for covering his you-know-what with Quinn/Quinn’s contract. I hate the way it was handled. I think it would have been better to just name DA the starter, and let him flounder until the bye week, and THEN move BQ in. And yes, I say this with hindsight in my corner, as I lobbied for Quinn to be the starter basically from day 1 of camp this year.
But here’s my point: Mangini, jerk though he may be, has no obligation to Quinn’s contract; he had nothing to do with drafting or signing Quinn. It actually isn’t Mangini’s fault that Quinn’s contract is a potential team-killer.
If Quinn continues to be horrible, why lower his trade value even more by kicking in a huge contract escalator?
I shudder to think how bad Quinn must be in practice if Mangini still refuses to play him. I was on the DA train a few weeks ago but this team has regressed even further since the beginning of the season. Seriously, how awful is BQ been in practice that he can’t beat Derek Anderson?!
If anything Mangini has proven the mantra that you can’t trade talent for character.
@ DKH: I wasn’t implying that the done that Isis brings to the table is OK. I am in no way encouraging anybody to be a jerk. I’m just trying (albeit naively) to guide others into not doing the same. I know that there’s always instance X to counter instance Y, etc. but it’s an attempt to give new folks a check in order to try and keep things civil.
Yesterday Realism (also relatively new) and I got into a mini internet catfight, apologized for tone, and moved on – and I hope that everyone else can continue to do the same.
I have no problem if Mangini thinks that Quinn is the future but the team has no chance this season, and he’s not willing to pay now. Imagine if Quinn starts after the bye, and is decent and getting better. Is decent and improving worth 11 mil?
I have been a DA supporter, but yesterday was the worst Ive seen him play. There were no huge significant drops yesterday. There was 1-on-1 on a lot of plays, where if the ball is thrown to the WR right, then it should be a catch. DA missed a lot of his throws, and on the one, MoMass finally got behind the CB covering him. Whoever said something about Cribbs just returning kicks might be onto something. We can have Pontbriand just wing it back and get the special teams just scattered to make it look like Cribbs is returning a punt. It could be like our ST is our O. Then, when they dont expect it, Cribbs runs to the LOS and chucks it to Furrey in the endzone.
In all seriousness, this week is do or die for DA. He needs to go something like 22-25, 350 yards, and 4 TDs to keep his job.
I have been a DA supporter, but yesterday was the worst Ive seen him play. There were no huge significant drops yesterday. There was 1-on-1 on a lot of plays, where if the ball is thrown to the WR right, then it should be a catch. DA missed a lot of his throws, and on the one, MoMass finally got behind the CB covering him. Whoever said something about Cribbs just returning kicks might be onto something. We can have Pontbriand just wing it back and get the special teams just scattered to make it look like Cribbs is returning a punt. It could be like our ST is our O. Then, when they dont expect it, Cribbs runs to the LOS and chucks it to Furrey in the endzone.
In all seriousness, this week is do or die for DA. He needs to go something like 22-25, 350 yards, and 4 TDs to keep his job. As shown by GB, teams can now say they’ll put 8 guys in the box on DA as well as Quinn and not have to worry about the deep ball, because either DA misses on the throw, the WR drops it, or DA gets hit before he actually throws.
For Mangini to say that he feels very comfortable with the way things are going with Anderson reveals several things:
He’s not a good liar.
He’s not very bright.
He has contempt for the fans.
Oh my God it just hit me: Brady Quinn likes to throw the short ball. Why? Think of it this way: the shorter the pass, the shorter the gain. The shorter the gain, the more plays that are necessary to complete the drive. More plays = More snaps. And we all know what more snaps means……
Seriously, could BQ possibly meet his escalators with solid, fundamentally unflashy offense? I mean DA has so many three-and-outs that all Brady would have to do (seemingy) is put together back-to-back 80-yard scoring drives and that will amount to 70% of the snaps!!
Brady had a lot of 3-and-outs when he was in too… maybe more then DA.
Drop it, bobby. DA sucks. Totally and completely. Quinn can’t move the ball? 3-and-outs? The Browns have had almost the same time of possession with DA starting vs Quinn. I’m obviously throwing out the Baltimore game.
Quinn: 26, 27 mins.
DA: 38 (including OT), 28, 23, 24.
Yeah, clearly he moves the ball better than Quinn. Don’t like that? How about total plays?
Quinn: 60, 56.
DA: 83 (again OT), 59, 51, 52.
Drop it. There is no rationale to support DA based on what ACTUALLY HAPPENS ON THE FIELD. There isn’t. Really. We know you love DA. We also all know that HE SUCKS. STOP TRYING TO DEFEND HIM. HE. SUCKS. End of story. You trying to defend DA starting over anyone not named Ken Dorsey is nearly as insane as Isis’s conspiracy theories.
Alex, I did, no need to attack me. How about you read my post up at 54. They both suck actually. Try to read everything before you try to explode on someone. All I said, was that Quinn had a lot of 3 and outs too, because he did. DA would have had a helluva lot more 3 and outs if it werent for random D penalties, especially this past weekend.
All you do, basically, is make excuses for DA. There’s no reason to. You’re saying this week is make or break for DA. I mean, seriously, has he shown any positive signs of anything? He doesn’t deserve another opportunity to make or break, but for some reason you keep making excuses for him. I seriously don’t see any reason to do that. I hesitate to say that he’s the worst starting QB in the league because Jamarcus is currently still starting, but why do you make excuses for him? How could Quinn be worse than the ridiculous performances we’ve seen? I dislike post 57 because you’re making the argument that, as bad as DA has been, Quinn is just as bad or even worse. And you based it on nothing.
Seriously, why on earth would you be defending DA and making excuses for him starting over Quinn?
I said this week is make or break, because unless he puts up ridiculously awesome numbers, like 22 for 25, 350, 4 tds, etc. Quinn will start, because mathematically Quinn is very unlikely to get his escalators, and that is what Im guessing is the main reason Quinn hasnt even been a thought. I do not think Quinn is all that better, or he didnt show he was any better, but obviously he has the mystery since he hasnt played a ton at all. I said I was a DA supporter, but he has been awful in the past few games. I didnt make any excuses. I specifically pointed out easy excuses for him that werent there against GB, it was just him not hitting the reciever. But, if he does put up ridiculously awesome numbers against Chi, what are the odds Quinn starts after the bye? thats why its make or break. He still has a small chance keep his job. Right, Wrong, I dont know, but its how it is. I fully expect BQ to be back after the bye, having it almost as a reset for this team/offense, but as of right now, its technically still DAs, and he could technically play well enough to keep starting.
Its not making excuses to say neither qb is good. Its not making excuses when you say Quinn has had a lot of 3-and-outs. I know DA has too. I said he probably should have more, but he gets random penalties that technically give the browns a first down (it happened like 3 times last game). Neither one has played good. Both are pretty much garbage. I dont know if there are stats for 3-and-outs. If you find some, Id love to see the exact numbers, but Quinn had a ton of 3-and-outs. and lets not forget, about 1/4 of his stats were coming in garbage time. Im not saying DA is better then Quinn, because he hasnt shown it. I am saying Quinn is not better either though, because what has Quinn done to show anything? I do think right now, we have 2 awful, awful qbs, and the stats prove it.
One guy had a “conspiracy theory” at our Backers gathering on Sunday. He seemed to think that Mangini is purposefully playing Anderson just to show everyone how bad he is and will start BQ after the bye.
I don’t buy it – I think Mangini has it out for Quinn for whatever reason.
Any thoughts on the “conspiracy theory” are welcome.
I don’t think a “conspiracy theory” is necessary. See my post above (#44): Mangini has a strong incentive not to play BQ until after the bye week because of the contract issue.
I never thought about going to Brady … because Man-Idiot doesn’t have a brain!!
quote: “Intelligent Browns fan”
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!! I was born in Akron Ohio. I am 42 years old die hard Browns fan I read almost everything I can find about the Browns on the net, and never in my 42 years have I witnesses fan opinion which was so unbelievably wrong and completely out of touch with reality than that of 90% of the Browns fans. Most fans know absolutely nothing about professional football. The most inane statements and comments are made on a consistent basis by Browns fans. “Intelligent Browns fans” are a very very rare breed indeed. When Browns fans start chanting for a QB you can bet money they are completely wrong. Look at their track record. “Intelligent Browns fan”!!! Hilarious!!! LOL!!!